Apple Sold More Macs and iDevices Than All Windows PCs Sold in Holiday Quarter

[tdale]

Given that Android has a much bigger global market share than iPhones, they should just compare Android devices as bigger than PC sales, just as stupid.

Lets pick on PC's. Lets add devices from other categories until they win, then print this astonishing article.

 

[Nightarchaon]

And im pretty sure that more smarties were sold than iOS devices, macs and PCS combined in the same periods.. so they are beating everyone in the number of dis-similar none-related product sales category....


sheesh.. iOS devices ARE NOT computers.... sure they are "Smart" devices, but they are a completely different category lumping them together to get a big number is just sloppy sensationalism from a report standpoint.

Bikes and Lorry's are both "motor vehicles" but they are not "CARS" and i wouldn't lump them in with car sales from a manufacturer.

If your Talking about PC sales.. then you DON'T include iOS tablets, Andorid Tablets, Smartphones, washing machines, TV sets, Blenders, TOasters or my pet cat to inflate the numbers.

sloppy sloppy reporting with essentially meaningless figures.

 

[thekeyring]

Am I the only one who finds this comparison interesting? With all the bad press Windows gets, it still took Apple's entire computing lineup (beyond the Mac) to beat Windows PCs.

 

[Piggie]

That number may be too low to count

Methodologically, I don't see an obvious way to count that. (Just because I buy a motherboard doesn't mean I'm building a new computer.) And from a practical perspective, surely you don't think that would change the results significantly--the number can't be that high, can it?

I would of thought PC component sellers are shifting Cases, graphics cards, motherboards, cpu's, memory chips etc etc by the tens of thousands daily around the world.

Personal real life experience................ The only people I used to know who actually BOUGHT A PC from a shop were some women and old folks who knew nothing about computers at all and ended up with some Packard Bell junk.

Everyone else I knew bought "Parts" and either put them together, got friends to, or changed bits around.......

The numbers, well I don't know.

It's hard to work out when a PC is a new PC when you put a new motherboard in the old case, or a new CPU and GPU in your current machine.

I guess this concept it probably totally alien to most apple users who treat their computer like a microwave, fridge or toaster you just buy and use from the store.

As I say there must be tens of thousands / millions? of pc components being sold around the world daily to people ungrading/changing/building PC's and it just stupid to pretend not of this exists.

 

[Crosslad]

Yeah, but since they added in iPhones and iPads, shouldn't they also, at the very least, have included Android phones and tablets?

No they shouldn't include Android phones because the comparison is between Apple and Windows. Android phones do not run windows.

 

[Crosslad]

Well I can't use my iPad for anything heavy as programs I use every day are not written for it, and they can't be, and never will be unless the device changes dramatically

Wait until the iPad pro is released. With flash drives becoming more common I do not think it will be long before Apple release an iPad running the full Mac OS.

 

[Crosslad]

It looks to me like a couple million Macs were sold vs about 70 million Windows pc's.

So what? I replaced my desktop pc with a laptop pc. Now the two laptops in our house very rarely get turned on as we use iPads and iPhones to do 95% of what we used to do on a PC and in some cases more than we did on the PC. Ever tried taking a photo or video on a PC and emailing it to someone, or using your pc as a sat nav to get you to places? My iPhone is more useful to me than a desktop pc and what's more the average selling price of an iOS is probably more than the price if a pc.

 

[cdmoore74]

I would of thought PC component sellers are shifting Cases, graphics cards, motherboards, cpu's, memory chips etc etc by the tens of thousands daily around the world.

Personal real life experience................ The only people I used to know who actually BOUGHT A PC from a shop were some women and old folks who knew nothing about computers at all and ended up with some Packard Bell junk.

Everyone else I knew bought "Parts" and either put them together, got friends to, or changed bits around.......

The numbers, well I don't know.

It's hard to work out when a PC is a new PC when you put a new motherboard in the old case, or a new CPU and GPU in your current machine.

I guess this concept it probably totally alien to most apple users who treat their computer like a microwave, fridge or toaster you just buy and use from the store.

As I say there must be tens of thousands / millions? of pc components being sold around the world daily to people ungrading/changing/building PC's and it just stupid to pretend not of this exists.

Exactly. My custom built rig uses well known name brand parts are can double as a hackintosh build but I still use Windows 7 because it works. And that Windows 7 license was part of multiple upgrades. And if I wanted to turn my computer into a gaming rig I just have to buy a video card. I already have a i5 processor that can be overclocked if more speed is needed. I don't have to dump my entire rig.
Apple computers are made to be expensive to upgrade/non-upgradable so that you have to buy another one. I see people posting about new Macs just for the cpu speed bump. I just have to wait for intel to release their chip which will be months before Apple fans can get on the action.
Its funny to see that everyone got excited that a $3000 plus mac has a user replaceable cpu. What progress!

 

[the8thark]

Seriously flawed comparison...

Page hits people, it's all about the page hits.

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Wait until the iPad pro is released. With flash drives becoming more common I do not think it will be long before Apple release an iPad running the full Mac OS.

Having a desktop OS on a tablet was MS's mistake. Apple won't make the same mistake.

 

[vmistery]

As I replace my phone / tablet every 2 years and my main laptop/desktop every 5 years I can't say I am really surprised. All this really shows is we replace our phones more often! It might get to a point where smartphones also go on for several years.

 

[philips]

This is a really stupid article..

Let's compare the total sales of computers, phones, tablets and mp3 players by one company to the total of just computers sold by the rest of the industry.

Yes. But it is still remarkable.

Apple brand went from being "exclusive brand" to one of "one of those better CE brands". This - brand dilution - even got some press coverage in the past and the response from the Jobs. But anyhow you paint it, the golden days of Apple are in the past.

I think everybody noticed that since the time Apple started chasing a larger market, QA noticeably sunk. Support and speed of support still trump the Wintel. Issues generally resolved with little to no fuss but the QA flops still annoy. (But actually what annoys me most in the recent products that design slowly becomes self-serving and overrules the functionality. That's why I also not a iPhone user.)

 

[macs4nw]

No they shouldn't include Android phones because the comparison is between Apple and Windows. Android phones do not run windows.

But Android runs millions of smart phones and tablets, which are not included, while Apple's iPhones and iPads are. The article's premise is flawed, and it's conclusion is meaningless in that context.

Do the posts below shed any more light on it for you? Not sure how else to make it any clearer.

…..Let's compare the total sales of computers, phones, tablets and mp3 players by one company to the total of just computers sold by the rest of the industry.

…..That's a bit like saying Hotpoint sold more washing machines, ovens, toasters, kettles dishwashers and fridge freezers combined than all other appliance companies sold toasters…..

 

[the8thark]

Two years ago, we noted that Apple's hardware ecosystem -- the iPhone, iPad and Mac -- had a combined average selling price well above that of the PC market as a whole, and that statistic remains accurate to this day. For the just-ended holiday quarter, Apple saw an average hardware selling price of $584 across the iPhone, iPad, iPod, and Mac lines, according to MacRumors research.

Revenue means little. Profits matter more. And Apple is the leader in that statistic.

 

[cdmoore74]

As I replace my phone / tablet every 2 years and my main laptop/desktop every 5 years I can't say I am really surprised. All this really shows is we replace our phones more often! It might get to a point where smartphones also go on for several years.

This! I upgrade my phone every year not even knowing which phone I'm upgrading to (I'm using Android so I have more selection). I tell my wife that the only thing I ever want for my birthday and Christmas is a new phone. 10 years ago I use to always pour money into my custom built PC on a yearly basis. My i5 2500k cpu is 2 years old and it still works just as fast; I don't need or want to upgrade. But this year I might try iPhone 6 which brings a totally different experience from my Note 3. But I do know I'm upgrading.

 

[TC03]

Last I checked, iPods, iPads and iPhones are NOT PC's. I mean, it's great they're making money, but yeah, those things aren't computers.

In 2004, I was in high school. Me and other students were on the computer a lot. Gaming, chatting, basic social media. In 2014, they still do that, but on their phones. The exact same thing.

iOS-devices are personal computers, period.

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Cool. So why are macs also on the list? By the way, a Mac is, by definition, also a PC, ironically.

Post PC era does not exclude the PC. Post PC as Jobs described it is PC as hub with additional mobile devices (iPhone, iPad).

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Not to mention there are still more computers in the world running Windows today than every single Apple device ever sold.

Yes but that's not the point this graph makes. So irrelevant comment.

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So why does Apple sale a $3000 plus computer if all you have to do is buy a $500 tablet? There must be a line drawn and a statement like that foolish. I'm not saying that the iPad is not a PC. I'm saying that you can't pretend that a iPad can replace every computer around the world. A smartwatch is a PC but it will never replace a Smartphone or an iPad.

Not every PC is equal, but an iPad is a PC. It does computing and it is personal. It can run apps, it can browse the web. It's a PC. Stop picking on stuff it doesn't do and start acknowledging what it DOES do.

 

[Elbon]

Seriously flawed comparison...

How so? I think it's a pretty apples-to-apples comparison: Mac + iDevice sales vs. PC + Win Phone sales.

Are you just upset because Android wasn't mentioned?

 

[TC03]

I'm just going to leave ya'll with this. iDevices are like microwaves in the world of ovens. Gets the job done, but not for 'real work'. It's still incredible nonetheless.

But we need to hope that Apple does not have the "Nintendo/Apple" problem of staying in the blue ocean too long before it becomes red. Even if one goes to another blue ocean, it could end up being a pond. Hopefully those cash reserves are being but to good use.

'Real work'. Define real work.

Not everybody is doing 'real work' (whatever that may be) all the time. In fact, most people never do real work on their PC's. That's why PC sales are going down and mobile is going up: tablets and smartphones are good enough.

 

[Elbon]

Not valid unless they include all windows 8 tablets and phones also sold...

I agree that they should have included Windows tablets as well. However, it's still a valid comparison either way. It demonstrates that the Windows PC ecosystem is no longer as dominant as it once was.

 

[TC03]

There is a difference between usefulness and productivity. An iPhone is certainly useful, but it can't replace my desktop computer when it comes to work that I need to accomplish to earn a living.

Yeah and my desktop most certainly cannot replace my iPhone. They're not the same, we get it, but both are pc's. Period.

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This article is a ridiculous comparison, IMO. And I don't think Android was included.

Well duh, it is a comparison of Apple and Microsoft. Both don't do Android. Next time try reading the article.

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The guy had to shut down comments because people were rightly handing him his a** in a hat. I understand he was trying to highlight the strength of mobile but he went completely out of his way to make the numbers work to support his narrative. He would have been much better served by showing a insanely simple graph: PC's sold vs Mobile devices sold. Show a 5 year progression and be done with it. But nooooo, he had to make his data work. So he had to add Macs and subtract Win Phones to make it work. Click bait.

This forum is full of well known self professed Apple fans. But even most of them are calling BS on this. Apple doesn't need spurious data to legitimize their sales success. It is what it is. MR should be for even posting this.

Apple crushed MS in mobile. MS crushed Apple in PC market. Is anyone surprised by this?

He did not substract WP. And it shows exactly what it shows: a company focussing on a niche mobile market outperforms a company focussing on every market for laptops/desktops. That's it. His chart works because it perfectly shows the point he's trying to make.

 

[haravikk]

What exactly does this "research" even tell us? So all of Apple's combined markets can outperform a single, shrinking market? So what?

 

[TC03]

This graph could also justify a headline that says "Microsoft sold more Windows phones than Apple sold macs" It's interesting data, but the method of presenting it was laughable.

The point your title makes is absolutely irrelevant. The point his title makes is significant: a niche mobile player outperforms a mass desktop player.

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And im pretty sure that more smarties were sold than iOS devices, macs and PCS combined in the same periods.. so they are beating everyone in the number of dis-similar none-related product sales category....


sheesh.. iOS devices ARE NOT computers.... sure they are "Smart" devices, but they are a completely different category lumping them together to get a big number is just sloppy sensationalism from a report standpoint.

Bikes and Lorry's are both "motor vehicles" but they are not "CARS" and i wouldn't lump them in with car sales from a manufacturer.

If your Talking about PC sales.. then you DON'T include iOS tablets, Andorid Tablets, Smartphones, washing machines, TV sets, Blenders, TOasters or my pet cat to inflate the numbers.

sloppy sloppy reporting with essentially meaningless figures.

iPhones can surf the web and run apps. They're computers. Hell, I'm typing this post on an iPhone and not a traditional PC as I would have 5 years ago. iPhones are pc's, period.

 

[gnasher729]

If you include windows phone with windows pcs Microsoft still sold more units.

How many computers has Microsoft sold? I think the number is zero.
How many Windows phones has Microsoft sold? I think the number is zero.

 

[TC03]

What exactly does this "research" even tell us? So all of Apple's combined markets can outperform a single, shrinking market? So what?

It tells us that the mobile market is an extremely fast growing market that will change the scale of the industry. That is a very relevant observation, because it's what all the naysayers in this thread completely misunderstand.

 

[Winni]

If you include windows phone with windows pcs Microsoft still sold more units.

Microsoft has also sold more gaming consoles than Apple has sold AppleTVs. But, well, when you include ear plugs to the statistics, then Apple probably has also sold more AppleTVs than Microsoft has sold Xbox 360s. Or whatever.

That is probably the dumbest statistics that was ever released.

In case somebody wonders, PCs running Windows still own around 90% of the global market share, and Android still owns more than 80% of the global smartphone market. And last time I looked, Microsoft Office was the only suite of office applications that anybody ever cared to use - despite the fact that Apple now gives away iWorks for free and that LibreOffice is Open Source.

And on this planet - and in space - there are still more devices and systems that run Linux in one form or another (that includes Android, super computers and even the Mars rover) than there is electronic equipment and software from Apple and Microsoft COMBINED.

 

[TC03]

Microsoft has also sold more gaming consoles than Apple has sold AppleTVs. But, well, when you include ear plugs to the statistics, then Apple probably has also sold more AppleTVs than Microsoft has sold Xbox 360s. Or whatever.

That is probably the dumbest statistics that was ever released.

In case somebody wonders, PCs running Windows still own around 90% of the global market share, and Android still owns more than 80% of the global smartphone market. And last time I looked, Microsoft Office was the only suite of office applications that anybody ever cared to use - despite the fact that Apple now gives away iWorks for free and that LibreOffice is Open Source.

And on this planet - and in space - there are still more devices and systems that run Linux in one form or another (that includes Android, super computers and even the Mars rover) than there is electronic equipment and software from Apple and Microsoft COMBINED.

A device running Linux does not have to be a pc. This thread is about pc's. Irrelevant comment.