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Sorry if this has been discussed..but it seems hard to believe $9.99 ONLY gets you this new original content? Sure Netflix is a couple bucks more but with that you get gobs of licensed TV and Films, plus exponentially more originals.

I have long thought the subscription would offer some level of access to the full iTunes catalog too...maybe xx number of free rentals per month, etc. or even just a curated/rotating selection of stuff a la HBO.

Otherwise I just can't square the pricing with the offering.
 
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The actors are way more expensive per head. Also, not spending wisely.
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Disney has limitless numbers of TV shows and movies in their archives. Apple has to build everything from scratch. This subscription is the most half-baked idea they've had in recent memory.

None of which I want to watch and we have no idea if they’re buying rights to other stuff. It seems pretty unlikely they’re going to have a $10 subscription to a handful of shows.
 
I can't wait to pirate all these shows.

I pay for Netflix, Prime, and Hulu no ads, any other services beyond them either don't warrant my attention, or deserve to get pirated.
 
As others have noted, See has a ridiculous premise unless there are a few sighted people who can run things. That essentially makes them royalty and everybody else slaves, albeit really hard to use slaves since they require constant supervision.

What I really want to see is something awesome like The Man in the High Castle or The Expanse, but I don't see anything like that in Apple's announced shows.
 
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Sorry if this has been discussed..but it seems hard to believe $9.99 ONLY gets you this new original content? Sure Netflix is a couple bucks more but with that you get gobs of licensed TV and Films, plus exponentially more originals.

I have long thought the subscription would offer some level of access to the full iTunes catalog too...maybe xx number of free rentals per month, etc. or even just a curated/rotating selection of stuff a la HBO.

Otherwise I just can't square the pricing with the offering.

“Gobs?”

Yeah, that’s a pretty good description of Netflix’s filler content.
 
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Why do you think it has to be one or the other? It’s not a zero sum game.

Apple’s investing upwards of $20 billion a year on R&D. They spend that $6 billion every 4 months—with no sign of slowing.

I suppose I'm more disappointed in the fact that Apple is trying to be a content provider at all. It might turn out to be decent programming, but just seems so beneath Apple's long history of hard core technical innovation. Many shows (and Hollywood generally) are just so... shallow. We are entertaining ourselves to death intellectually, and now Apple has joined in.
 
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I have yet to hear of a single show they are producing that I give a crap about. This is going to be an epic failure if they don't get some well know content.

Disney can pull this off because they have Marvel and Star Wars plus a massive history of Disney content for kids. Netflix has a ton of content that is now well known to be a platform to take seriously. Maybe that will happen for Apple with some critical praise but it could take some time for people to develop interest for the platform.

I'm happy to pay for one extra service like Disney + because I'm a nerd and would pay probably just about anything for live action Star Wars and Marvel series. I also have a 2 year old daughter and will get one hell of a run with the rest of the Disney content library.

CBS all Access annoys the crap out of me. I love Star Trek and I pay for it for a couple of months to watch Star Trek Discovery and soon Picard but I hit the cancel button as soon as those shows are done. We really do not need a streaming platform from every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I wish Apple the best of luck wit this but they really need to consider some cutting edge stuff to even be a blip on the map. Do they have the balls to create edgy content without any censorship? They take a very conservative approach on their App Store and if their streaming platform tries to play it too safe I think Amazon and Netflix will eat them alive.
 
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How he hell can an episode of The Morning show cost more than an episode of Game of Thrones?

Game of thrones has CGI, shooting in multiple locations some of which are remote, custom made weaponry Armour and costumes

The good morning show looks like it could mostly be shot in a sound stage. I’m gonna guess that most of the cost is going to the actors, which suggests their priorities are in the wrong place.
 
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Original series from streaming services is going to be the future of TV and eventually cinema. Netflix has been leading on this front with the excellent Beasts of No Nation (2015), last years Roma from Cuaron and this years The Irishman from Scorsese.

Obviously not the sorts of commercial movies that the majority of people like but quality drama that cinephiles as well as the Academy likes.

Having no commercials definitely doesn’t hurt. Watching cable TV is painful. I don’t remember the last time I watched a movie on cable. When I have to watch a certain show I always time-shift it.
 
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I’m fully on board with Apple releasing this service. Apple has always been about producing the entire experience — “the whole widget” as Steve Jobs used to say. Early in Apple’s history, that meant the hardware, the OS and excellent software, whether it be iLife or iWork. Today, Apple’s devices are used predominantly to watch video content. It only makes sense that they produce TV shows.

That said, I don’t know if $9.99 is going to fly with consumers. Disney+ has a massive back catalogue of the best content in TV and film history for $6.99. Apple has to undercut that. $4.99 is appropriate for a standalone AppleTV+. However, I still think that Apple can use TV+ as a way to claw away a substantial market share from Spotify. Sell TV+Music for $9.99 and it’ll be a massive hit. Apple Music will become the new market leader, taking TV+ along for the ride.
“Sell TV+Music for $9.99 and it’ll be a massive hit.”

Agree 100%
 
I think the content is compelling enough to command a fee of $9.99 monthly. When you look at what Apple is investing in this service, spending less than $10 a month to enjoy it is not unreasonable.

I'm definitely going to be part of this new viewing experience from Apple.
 
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Apple could've join forces with Disney and create one, singular subscription that offers huge amount of entertainment. The kind of shows that worth $9.99 a month for?! I mean they share some of their board of directors, right?

Meanwhile, Apple could start building its own content when this "Apple x Disney" streaming service catching up and making some profit (I'm sure it will with huge franchises they own).

As of now, TV+ is like a pathetic attempt that only a small, shady startup would do.
 
The cost for "The Morning Show" has apparently exceeded the $15 million per episode that HBO spent on the final season of "Game of Thrones."

The Price OR Cost per Episode means exactly squat !

HBO proved that to ALL of us GoT fans during the Final Season !

It was so Bad in fact, I believe HBO needs to RE-DO the final season.
 
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First impressions matter. Remember carpool karaoke?

I thought that App show disaster was their first impression? That was the first truly original content, no? Yikes that it exists either way.

I’ve got no concern or worries about being wrong, as stranger things have certainly happened, but to me, this is Apple and Tim Cook at their most out of touch best, and that’s if they did this 3-4 years ago. Now they’re late to the party when the masses are transitioning into the subscription burnout era and they’re also still very out of touch and kissing up to the stars of yesterday in a world where “celebrity” has less and less meaning and relevance.

And I say all this under my personal suspicion that this will somehow all be “free” (-ish) or part of something many of us are already paying for (Apple Music/iPhone Upgrade Program).

At $9.99 with dated names and unproven content and little of it at that? I mean, come on, more power to them for spending their money how they want, but you’ve got to have some intense optimism to see this working out well in reality. It’s not about being a naysayer or having to eat crow or some malarkey, it’s simply that Apple has a tremendous amount to prove before anyone should be even remotely interested in paying for this. Even if every program is as close to empirically great as entertainment can be, this is still going to be an incredibly hard sell at any price, even free. That’s not being a naysayer; that’s being completely realistic with where we’re at in the streaming world.

It won’t be a disaster because it’s not the sort of thing that breaks a company as big as Apple. They can afford a multi-billion dollar level mistake. But I think it is likely to be an embarrassment, and it’s not likely to end up being a good look for Tim Cook in the coming years.

Random separate thought: I’m also going to venture to guess this won’t be nearly as easy to share as Netflix/Hulu/HBO/etc. are. How many people do we all knowing sharing their logins? If this is tied to Apple IDs on a system level which I’m sure it will be, no one will be sharing logins as it likely will make a mess of device data and I’d venture to guess most are more careful with Apple ID or iCloud IDs. And the shareable aspect does matter because it’s a big part of what hooks people on the content and oftentimes leads to people eventually becoming paying customers, and it also plays into advertising revenue you’d get from product placement arrangements. I’m wildly curious to see how this is all positioned when finally unveiled, and I still suspect it will somehow be “free” for many Apple users, because anything other than that simply sounds ludicrous in 2019 for what this is shaping up to be.

Who’s paying for Prime Video without Prime Shipping? Not many people.
 
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I recall Steve Jobs saying ‘we have so much money we don’t know what to do with it.’ Well I guess Tim Cook found a way. Just makes me think of how much money I’ve dumped into Apple products over the decades. As for the apple content, I’ll be surprised if there’s anything of interest for me. I’m sure hope it’s not slanted towards some social or political agenda, as that would turn me off.
 
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No. Content is about QUALITY, not money which is something Apple does not have. You can have all the money in the world but that doesn't mean it's going to succeed if you don't have quality content. Nothing they have shown, announced or is rumored about is in any way compelling.

Look, we all know you're in the bag for Apple but is it possible for you to admit Apple has thus far failed?
You can buy quality content. Disney does it all the time. Ever heard of Marvel? Or Lucasfilm? Or Pixar?

Sit back and watch. Of course you need quality, but money gives you the best shot. And it gives you multiple shots.

Lol, failed at what? Apple executes over and over. $60B in profit is the most profit of any company in the world that doesn’t sell a commodity.

The service hasn’t even launched and you’re calling it a failure. You probably did the same for AirPods when they were delayed or Watch when it didn’t immediately sell 50M units.

Apple can play the long game because they have the user base and the money.
 
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You can smell the panic here. Like the market, nothing panics traders more than missing a rally. They can take a crash, but miss an opportunity, it kills them.

Gates is having nightmares about Windows Mobile. He will lament that to the grave. Same thing here.

So will it pan out? Who cares, as long as they don't let those other schmucks get the glory. And who knows? Maybe they will come out on top. iPhone all over again.
It’s still way early. Disney, the #1 content owner, still hasn’t launched.

Netflix is already showing signs of subscriber loss and they have a spending/debt issue. They needed to be A LOT more profitable to stock the bank with money for the spending war that is content creation and acquisition.

$1B/yr in profit isn’t going to get it done for Netflix.
 
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