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Only $9.99/month.
Arcade only $4.99/month
Apple Music only $14.99/month
Oh yeah, Applecare+ is $14.99/month
You forgot all the apps you subscribe to. They are $23.99/month together.
iCloud 200gig $2.99/month
Apple news plus, almost forgot, $9.99/month

What did I miss? This is crazy...everyone wants just a few bucks/month. It's getting to be too much man...
 
Just not sure I get it. This is a pure hope-for-profit play in an area way outside AAPL's wheelhouse in an attempt to continue to add shareholder value when your main business has truly flattened out. What great hardware/software could have come out of a $6bn investment there? And why spend his money on something that will be forgotten in 10 years? Great hardware and software can be revolutionary and life-changing, but television shows always die and fade over time. Just not something you build a lasting legacy on.
Why do you think it has to be one or the other? It’s not a zero sum game.

Apple’s investing upwards of $20 billion a year on R&D. They spend that $6 billion every 4 months—with no sign of slowing.
 
Yikes, I know Apple has had many failures over the years, but this looks like it could be a costly one if it doesn't work out for them. I'm sure long term it'll be fine.
 
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I cancelled Netflix, as I just don't like what they offer these days. So i'll give this a chance of course. and maybe they will show some taste and provide programming that isn't dubbed. :D

update: I just realized I haven't a clue what's going on here. I haven't been following this so these numbers didn't make sense, but this has been an ongoing venture apparently.
 
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As Oprah says,

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a billion pockets, ya’ll!
 
Some hard figures.

$6B/year investment – perhaps over an initial 5-yr forecast, = $30B over 5-yrs.

Y1 would presumably include seed money for setup costs and a fair amount of opening content creation. Then the next 4-years $6B/yr to increase content catalogue. So they need to cover a flat $30B over the 5-yrs.

$10/mth ($120/yr) = 50M yearly subscribers to cover this amount.


Business plan scenario...

Nov 2019
- initial US release first. Gain at least 20M subs in first 3-mths, growing over next few years to 50M (Netflix has ~65M in US currently.)

Feb/Mar 2020
- next launch in other English-language countries (CA, UK, AU, NZ, +maybe some others). ^Same subs numbers as above.

Feb/Mar 2021
- launch in a great many other countries. Gain say half the subs of each of the above two.

By 5-year end of 2025, they'd hold a sustained 125M subscribers (even with some subscriber 'churn'). Thus they’ve achieved 125M yrly subbers, with 50M/yr subscribers to cover costs, and another 75M/yr subbers to make gross profit on, which at $120/year x 75M subbers = $9B/yr.

Even instead of the 75M, if say they only get two-thirds (50M) or even circa half that (35M) amount of subbers above and beyond base 50M break-even, they're still covering the investment and making a healthy margin each and every year. And subscription prices will likely rise a bit over time as they all do (inflation!), which provided they control spending increases, makes more potential.

Now add-in Arcade subs, which is likely a more niche audience for, with maybe a third of these numbers at half the income ($5/mth), that'd add $2B/yr. Then add say $2B/yr ATV+ channels fees (~30%), News+ fees $1B/yr (~50% fee was the figure banded around), and potentially more stuff later.

That's a healthy $14B/yr additional gross profit potential, which is currently around a QUARTER of the company's current profit; thus effectively they're increasing profits by 25%/year!

So yes, the figures certainly do stack-up, provided they cover the bases and do them well. We'll see if subscription fatigue has any affect.
 
6 billion spent with 0 subscriber so far.

15 billion by netflix with very stable base... Sorry Apple, you will flop hard here.

Will flop badly since there’s no way they’ll profit on this. So dumb. So desperate.

This is going to be one of those legendary eat crow threads like the infamous iPod announcement thread.

Mods, can we please lock this thread down eventually so comments can’t be deleted when these naysayers are proven so massively wrong?

Apple has the resources, monetary, business and creative to build the next big media empire. TV+ is how it starts.

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So it's the kitchen sink strategy born out of panic. Buy everything in sight, before the other guy does.

So buy:

Oprah, Reese, Jen. Oh, yes there's others like that President guy and his wife. And talk show dude. I just wish these guys were younger.

Maybe they should buy Scientology to get Tom and (that guy with the rug...Travolta). Then maybe Greenland, because ....it's nice.
 
Amazon can’t even get their TV shows off the ground very much, they’re hardly nominated for anything aside for one or two. And with Disney launching soon...just no. Way too many streaming services out there. They should have invested and purchased Netflix.
 
Like everything else, some people will love it, some people will hate it. I see that it has promise. I will give it a try.
 
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How is it possible to spend more for a soap opera than a special-effects laden fantasy spectacle like Game of Thrones? o_O

I'm looking forward to For All Mankind (and perhaps See), but they'll need more than a dozen shows, and quickly, to sustain a subscriber base.
 
You can smell the panic here. Like the market, nothing panics traders more than missing a rally. They can take a crash, but miss an opportunity, it kills them.

Gates is having nightmares about Windows Mobile. He will lament that to the grave. Same thing here.

So will it pan out? Who cares, as long as they don't let those other schmucks get the glory. And who knows? Maybe they will come out on top. iPhone all over again.
 
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$9.99 a month for 5 shows nobody wants to see? Apple is over pricing everything nowadays. Should leave that spaceship and take a look at the competition. iPhones and Apple products are no longer bleeding edge. The Apple tax needs to come down. Especially for the soon to be megaflop of Apple TV+.

Let me guess, Apple TV+ requires an overpriced Apple TV as well to watch on the tv? The thought of struggling to fast forward the shows with that hideous remote is an automatic turnoff.
 
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Only $9.99/month.
Arcade only $4.99/month
Apple Music only $14.99/month
Oh yeah, Applecare+ is $14.99/month
You forgot all the apps you subscribe to. They are $23.99/month together.
iCloud 200gig $2.99/month
Apple news plus, almost forgot, $9.99/month

What did I miss? This is crazy...everyone wants just a few bucks/month. It's getting to be too much man...

Is not mandatory you know.
 
Will they have any content beyond their original stuff? I just can't see it being worth it for nothing beyond their own content. Will wait to see before making any decision.
 
Tim Cook on Launch Day for the 2019 iPhones:

"And last but NOT least, if you buy any of the new 2019 iPhones before Dec 15th, we'll throw in a Full Years Subscription of our brand-new Apple TV+ streaming service !"
Yep that's definitely an Apple play right there. Including the way it's written.
 
Will they have any content beyond their original stuff? I just can't see it being worth it for nothing beyond their own content. Will wait to see before making any decision.

I feel the same about Disney but apparently it’s going to be the doom of Netflix.
 
How is it possible to spend more for a soap opera than a special-effects laden fantasy spectacle like Game of Thrones? o_O

I'm looking forward to For All Mankind (and perhaps See), but they'll need more than a dozen shows, and quickly, to sustain a subscriber base.
The actors are way more expensive per head. Also, not spending wisely.
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I feel the same about Disney but apparently it’s going to be the doom of Netflix.
Disney has limitless numbers of TV shows and movies in their archives. Apple has to build everything from scratch. This subscription is the most half-baked idea they've had in recent memory.
 
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