Hm, possibly, I've been wrong before. But, the Mac Pro is designed to be upgradeable and expandable. Making it a Mini on steroids wouldn't make much sense to the Pro market in my view.
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Apple Spokesperson Confirms New Mac Pro Designs Likely Coming in 2013 [Update: Not iMac]
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Hm, possibly, I've been wrong before. But, the Mac Pro is designed to be upgradeable and expandable. Making it a Mini on steroids wouldn't make much sense to the Pro market in my view.
I'm glad they told us. I was hoping for an iMac refresh, I've been holding out for months. Now I know that I should just make a decision, either with the old iMacs or the new retina MacBook Pros. I hope in the future they will continue to be at least this transparent.
Thunderbolt is basically an external PCIExpress bus. Currently its only 10Gbps but if a newer version was increased to full PCIExpress 3.0 speeds their would be no need for a large computer case to make room for PCIExpress expansion cards.
I'm new to this Mac pro news ( i don't own one) but due to the cost of them maybe Apple don't expect people to upgrading to the latest and greatest all the time and give them a longer shelf life.
A lot of the mac pro posts on this site indicate people are spending 3-4k and to me is something that you don't need to be changing every 2 years.
am very surprised about lack of iMac.. that would be 2 yrs if they only update next year
A lot of the mac pro posts on this site indicate people are spending 3-4k and to me is something that you don't need to be changing every 2 years.
am very surprised about lack of iMac.. that would be 2 yrs if they only update next year
the iMac will get a refresh I bet around back to school. I think it was after laptops last year?? Not sure.
I say spec bump coming, redesign after new years
But that's precisely what I'm saying. They've been using this particular design for what? 5 years now? And this cheese grater tower design dates back to the G5... still all we want is an interernal update.
The only real expectation was to install the Sandy Bridge chips and the level of protests would have been significantly lower.. of course there would be those who would have complained about lack of thunderbolt and usb 3.0...
But who's going to buy this thing now when it really hasn't been updated?
Yet all of that and more is available on external boxes on a low end MacBook Air for $950 brand new. Thunderbolt.
http://www.magma.com/
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27215765-Can-I-do-this-External-Drives-USB-3-Thunderbolt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
Actually.... I may buy. I have a 2008 Octocore. With this announcement, it is still worth something if I sold it (because it still compares favourably with the "current" models available.)
One of the big "features" that the current MacPros have is a warranty, 3 years of warranty with AppleCare.
I can sell the 2008 for about $1000, and that pays for a good chunk of new MacPro that is faster than my current MacPro, and then I can wait for 3 years to see what Apple has on offer then. In 3 years what this "New" and "Improved" MacPro ends up being will only be 1.5 years old... just long enough for the early adopters to iron out the version 1 bugs (Thanks in advance!).
If I wait it out, then if the 2008 needs any repairs at all... it may not be worth repairing... and I'm buying a current MacPro in any case.
I'm going to be seriously looking at one of these machines in the fall (my new fiscal year) and see what I can pick up on the refurbished store. Three years of warranty is an important feature for me.
I slammed them for the upgrade and calling it new yesterday, so I'm going to eat humble pie a bit now and say good on 'em for actually officially commenting on this and throwing a few crumbs out there. I have to think they've had a big (negative) response via email (and reading forums like theses, and various websites out there probably), and they've responded about as much as I think we could expect them to.
I'm guessing that really the vast majority of people that would have been buying yesterday's minimal tweak of the 2010 Mac Pros would be people who really need to buy Mac Pros anyway, and now will be getting more stock RAM and better CPUs as standard, instead of having to add those things themselves. For people like that, who absolutely need a Mac Pro (maybe to replace a heavily used older model in a production environment of some kind, for instance), this won't make any difference.
Apple are giving a clear 6 months+ notice that this is it for now, so if you absolutely need one, buy it. It you don't, and you can wait to see what they do next year, great.
Also perhaps worth mentioning is the period AppleCare lasts - 3 years. (Edit: as snberk103 did in fact do right before me by mere seconds!) It would perhaps be unsurprising to see an all-new Mac Pro in the period where a lot (possibly a majority even?) of AppleCare agreements are coming up to the end of their service period. I imagine Apple sell more Mac Pros when they're quite new, and I'd speculate the people waiting to upgrade the day they go on sale are also more likely to be the AppleCare purchasers.
I'm guessing that really the vast majority of people that would have been buying yesterday's minimal tweak of the 2010 Mac Pros would be people who really need to buy Mac Pros anyway, and now will be getting more stock RAM and better CPUs as standard, instead of having to add those things themselves. For people like that, who absolutely need a Mac Pro (maybe to replace a heavily used older model in a production environment of some kind, for instance), this won't make any difference.
Apple are giving a clear 6 months+ notice that this is it for now, so if you absolutely need one, buy it. It you don't, and you can wait to see what they do next year, great.
Also perhaps worth mentioning is the period AppleCare lasts - 3 years. (Edit: as snberk103 did in fact do right before me by mere seconds!) It would perhaps be unsurprising to see an all-new Mac Pro in the period where a lot (possibly a majority even?) of AppleCare agreements are coming up to the end of their service period. I imagine Apple sell more Mac Pros when they're quite new, and I'd speculate the people waiting to upgrade the day they go on sale are also more likely to be the AppleCare purchasers.
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I don't care that the MacPro didn't get USB3. Now that Apple is supporting the standard we hopefully can buy a USB 3 PCIe card super cheap and plug it in. That's why we own MacPro's right? Expandability. Same goes for Thunderbolt. I don't really need it on my MacPro as I already have PCIe cards for my needs (eSATA, Fibre channel etc) Already got built in dual Gig Ethernet etc etc... Both USB 3 and TB would have been nice but since Intel is slacking on the processor/Motherboard front there wasn't much to offer really. The graphics card is the slap in the face. How much engineering does it take to at least give us a 7000 series card?
Hopefully with matte displays, at least as an option, even if more expensive:
MacMatte (matte petition)
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MacMatte (matte petition)
http://macmatte.wordpress.com
This could center around the fact that they will need larger Retna panels for the iMac and the Tunderbolt Display.
Wonder if the Mac Pro will see a radical shift in design around Thunderbolt.
(Think Mac Mini + Blade Server + Thunderbolt = Mac Pro "Grid")
Wonder if the Mac Pro will see a radical shift in design around Thunderbolt.
(Think Mac Mini + Blade Server + Thunderbolt = Mac Pro "Grid")
I recall it being delayed into 2013 instead of Late 2012 given the lack of competition and Sandy Bridge-E only came out a few months ago. Intel gives at least of year of padding between releases.
So I expect to see desktop Haswell alongside 8/10 core Ivy Bridge-E next year. Do you have any proof?
Ok, so not the iMac. I'm less annoyed. Still ridiculous for the pro market, but it restores my faith that they haven't completely abandoned the desktop.
This individual voted with his wallet. I bought a 2010 MP on ebay this morning to replace my aging 1.1. For almost $1,000 less I got a machine just about as fast, same graphics card, same hard drive, twice the memory... and unlike my 1.1 it will run mountain lion when it comes out. With the money saved I bought another 4 gb of ram and a wicked fast OWC Mercury Accelsior SSD that boots from the PCI slot so day to day the system will be FASTER than apple's 'upgrade' and I STILL have beer money in my pocket.
IF apple comes out with something new next year I will think about it, but won't be desperate like I was yesterday.
taking into account Moore's law, what will this processor bump be then with a year and a half before the next update? Seems an awful long time and plenty of time for many pro users to jump ship, making the next release low sales...thus finally putting the nail in the mac pro coffin.
LOL @ "the just-updated but still outdated Mac Pro models" 
But I don't think Mac Pro fans find it funny though.
Oh phew... I sure hope this is right!
But I don't think Mac Pro fans find it funny though.
Oh phew... I sure hope this is right!
Wow, I sure hope I don't have to wait til 2013 for a new iMac. I'm ready to buy now but refuse to buy the ~400-day-old model.
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Hahaha finally news we wanna hear.
New Mac Pro confirmed by Apple. check √
Coming 2013 check √
This leaves us between 01-01-2013 and 12-31-2013
Damn Apple they did it again. It better be one awesome Mac Pro!
New Mac Pro confirmed by Apple. check √
Coming 2013 check √
This leaves us between 01-01-2013 and 12-31-2013
Damn Apple they did it again. It better be one awesome Mac Pro!
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I'm happy to hear that Apple has at least responded to the dismay, even anger, many were feeling.
Apple really ought to be more open about their future plans when it comes to their more professional oriented hardware and software.
I admit the secrecy and hype that surrounds the release of new consumer products (iPhones, iPads, etc.) works great for the company, but with something like the Mac Pro or higher end software, professionals/businesses need to have some idea of future plans in order to be able to plan their future purchases and upgrades.
Apple really ought to be more open about their future plans when it comes to their more professional oriented hardware and software.
I admit the secrecy and hype that surrounds the release of new consumer products (iPhones, iPads, etc.) works great for the company, but with something like the Mac Pro or higher end software, professionals/businesses need to have some idea of future plans in order to be able to plan their future purchases and upgrades.
not dead yet
at least not yet. a lot (bad) can happen in a year. of course, we can hope that THIS year will be different than the last two.
at least not yet. a lot (bad) can happen in a year. of course, we can hope that THIS year will be different than the last two.