These whiners didn’t make their request as a union or as part of a collective bargaining negotiation.
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These whiners didn’t make their request as a union or as part of a collective bargaining negotiation.
I’ve consistently claimed I think there should be a step back towards getting people back to the office and in some cases allow the option to work from home for some of the time.
A ‘homemade sticker’? How can I clarify something that I have never claimed? I have never suggested a ‘homemade sticker’ should be put on peoples work as I don’t know what this even applies to? Also exaggerating that ‘everybody’ in my company whines about others working from home is your fabrication too. I shared that it had been a complaint but have not at any point suggested a figure for the number of people. It hasn’t been applied to me as I have always worked from home for certain periods and abroad.
One thing is for certain and that is I have debated with you and been respectful. Your tone is anything but, and if you are aggravated by the fact I have a different experience and views on this, then surely that is your problem and not mine? Misconstruing and exaggerating my point of view is a little underhand. If you disagree with me then that’s great and this is the place to discuss, but let’s have respect for each other.
Vote? In what election?
I'd imagine that any couple would talk about something like one or both of them choosing not to work in the company office, yes.
In the election of people deciding to work from home. A secret vote of spouses probably would yield much different results than a public vote.
I made it quite clear earlier. This is the third time I'll explain it.
Companies don't do anything, they are not sentient.
Middle management types - the ones who make claims like "nobody can be as productive remotely as in the office" and "we all need face to face time to be a cohesive unit" and other gassy ********, absolutely do things to either further their own career at the expense of others, make their own life easier at the expense of others, or make life harder for others, just because.
Managing staff who work remotely means the manager has to be smart enough to know what they **** each person on the team does, and judge how they're performing based on their actual output.
Managing staff who work in an office, is 9 times out of 10, about counting bums on seats, and chewing out anyone who doesn't get there before the boss and leave after the boss.
Is that clear enough for you?
No, it’s not clear to me at all how it’s good for middle managers to make decisions that are (allegedly) demonstrably worse for their company’s bottom line.
If that’s how you believe your company is operating, I trust you’re searching for a new job? Why would anyone work for such people or such a company?
It's odd how many people can't seem to focus on that goal, isn't it?
Counting people in the office at 9am, and still there at 5am is ridiculously easier than understanding what each of those people does.
I'm pretty sure that isn't how my company operates, but I'll have to confirm that with my manager. One moment.. Yes, I've just confirmed with myself, that is in fact not how the company operates. Should I check with the director? Oh yes, I also responded the same to that. It is not how my company operates.
I just meant that by pushing that on my end I likely gave up asking for more money. I didn't mean they countered with lower pay.
My wife has been working from home since this whole thing started (not for Apple) last year. Her employer has reduced their rented office space footprint significantly, saving them a ton of overhead in rent and utilities, with no plan for her to ever come back to an office environment. We've saved a decent amount on gas for her vehicle, but not a ton since she didn't work far from home. Yet, what they've also NOT done is offer to pay any of our electric bill that has increased quite a bit since our home is occupied 24 hours a day now, pay any of her personal cell phone bill that she is required to use for all of her conference calls and other work-related phone needs, nor pay for any of our broadband internet connection that is required for her to be able to work. I'm not whining and asking them to pay all of our bills, but for what they require they should at least be paying a stipend to help cover those things.
Personally, I was only ever working from home or off completely for the first couple weeks of the pandemic while my employer figured out what they were doing. I've been full time, in the office the entire time otherwise. The letter from the Apple employees comes across as very entitled, and in fact loses all credibility once they start tossing in "inclusivity" and "diversity" buzz words to use against their employer.
Personally, I was only ever working from home or off completely for the first couple weeks of the pandemic while my employer figured out what they were doing. I've been full time, in the office the entire time otherwise. The letter from the Apple employees comes across as very entitled, and in fact loses all credibility once they start tossing in "inclusivity" and "diversity" buzz words to use against their employer.
So do you work from home full time and own and run the business yourself? If you are your own boss as you have claimed, and haven’t worked in an office environment for 15 years, are you in touch with modern office dynamics?
Are you really suggesting that middle management types have somehow changed their entire MO in 15 years? Because I somehow doubt that.
No I was asking you if you are a sole worker and haven’t worked in an office environment for 15 years, are you in touch with modern office dynamics? A lot has changed in the last 10 years, let alone 15. Just asking the question
I work alone physically, yes.No I was asking you if you are a sole worker and haven’t worked in an office environment for 15 years, are you in touch with modern office dynamics? A lot has changed in the last 10 years, let alone 15. Just asking the question
I don't doubt that some things have changed. I'm pretty confident middle management types haven't changed that much.
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I started working remotely 15 years ago. I've had a couple of very short stints at a client office in that period.
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You seem to be arguing with yourself. Just a few posts ago, you said you had seen your company’s financials for 2020 and they were great, and yet your company was pulling back from WFH. Does your company make smart decisions or doesn’t it?
Please pay attention to who's posting what.
As director I am intimately aware of my company financials, but it's news to me that I've decided to 'pull back' from remote working..
Maybe if you rather see co-workers more than your spouse you should re-evaluate your marriage?
That was me that posted this comment. I can also confirm that most of my management team has no idea what I do outside of high level ideas.
It kinda is. If you rather go into the office than work from home (or feel as though you should be forced to arbitrarily) then you are saying your ok seeing your co-workers more than your family. I for one LOVE being home with my family all week and am fighting to continue to have that option. My co-workers are good people, but I like my wife and kids better.
LOL, I've been waiting for this. It's not just an Apple employee thing - it's probably a worldwide thing.
Think about it. We've all been crammed at home for how long?? Feels like a million years. We all know how it is at big corporations. They really LOOOOVVEEE you - yeah right, only if they can manage your life, count your bathroom runs, how many minutes you take for coffee break, create a chaotic workflow so that they can show they are "managing the situation".
People got used to being relaxed at home and just cranking out the work without the condor of death hanging over your cube wall all the time checking your screen or ramping up the due date 'just because they can'. Add to that NO traffic hour, no roadrage, no parking fees! And think of all the $ saved NOT going to the vending machine or deli for lunch - that's a biggie right there, not to mention the bigger one - gas money!
Yeah - I can see why they would want to stay working at home, talking to their coworkers and FINALLY being able to get stuff done in a much more relaxed, not to mention cooperative manner.
What quite a few fail to realize is that people DON'T MIND working - if they can just do the work without all the other political junko involved. Actually, people like working when they feel they can do it well, and do it more efficiently. This is something management has never been able to comprehend - that people can work without interference if you just tell them what you want, when by, and be realistic about it.
All the micro-managing stuff needs to go, very unproductive unless you have people that are lazy and don't like what they are doing to begin with. Those usually get weeded out quick. I think the days of "I'm XX, so you can't do this to me" is now coming to it's end. People will soon start to be actually graded on what they can and can't do for once. WOW - unique concept!
I expect a lot of crappy answers. But those that have been in the workplace for decades know exactly what I am talking about.
Think about it. We've all been crammed at home for how long?? Feels like a million years. We all know how it is at big corporations. They really LOOOOVVEEE you - yeah right, only if they can manage your life, count your bathroom runs, how many minutes you take for coffee break, create a chaotic workflow so that they can show they are "managing the situation".
People got used to being relaxed at home and just cranking out the work without the condor of death hanging over your cube wall all the time checking your screen or ramping up the due date 'just because they can'. Add to that NO traffic hour, no roadrage, no parking fees! And think of all the $ saved NOT going to the vending machine or deli for lunch - that's a biggie right there, not to mention the bigger one - gas money!
Yeah - I can see why they would want to stay working at home, talking to their coworkers and FINALLY being able to get stuff done in a much more relaxed, not to mention cooperative manner.
What quite a few fail to realize is that people DON'T MIND working - if they can just do the work without all the other political junko involved. Actually, people like working when they feel they can do it well, and do it more efficiently. This is something management has never been able to comprehend - that people can work without interference if you just tell them what you want, when by, and be realistic about it.
All the micro-managing stuff needs to go, very unproductive unless you have people that are lazy and don't like what they are doing to begin with. Those usually get weeded out quick. I think the days of "I'm XX, so you can't do this to me" is now coming to it's end. People will soon start to be actually graded on what they can and can't do for once. WOW - unique concept!
I expect a lot of crappy answers. But those that have been in the workplace for decades know exactly what I am talking about.