The same reason almost nothing in life is 100% or 0%.
Apple obviously believes certain aspects of job and team performance work better in person. That’s not possible if your local 2019 workforce now lives in six other states.
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The same reason almost nothing in life is 100% or 0%.
Apple obviously believes certain aspects of job and team performance work better in person. That’s not possible if your local 2019 workforce now lives in six other states.
It is against the law for an employer to 'covertly' spy on their employee's. An employer has to acknowledge in either employee handbooks, company memo's, company employment polices and procedures or in a job interview, that the company uses various electronic means to keep track of employees safety and wellbeing (in other words, spying on the employee).
Covert action on an employee can only take place if the employee is involved in criminal activity and evidence is required by the employer to take the matter further.
I didn’t ask why Apple is doing it.
I asked why people in this thread, claiming that it’s enough to offer some days think some is fine but all is too much.
You’re not even trying here. When everyone was in the office 100% of the time, companies didn’t have to worry about the logistics of having in-person meetings because workers weren’t living in six different states.
We had teleconference meetings when I was starting my career nearly 20 years ago. Heck we had god damn lessons without a lecturer physically present for three years before that when I was a student.
people have been “having meetings” without being physically collocated for decades, and you want to talk about “not trying”. Sure ok.
That’s wonderful. Apple is the employer and Apple apparently doesn’t want teleconferences. End of story.
Which are what? What aspects of every single job in an office, requires physical collocation some days but works fine without it the other days and worked without it at all without the company grinding to a halt for the last 18 months?
I think the key thing most are missing in this discussion is there is no one correct way that works for every company. Some companies work with complete remote working and others simply do not. Companies have to offer incentives and be flexible to a point, but it needs to be to the benefit of the business. If a company decides the move to hybrid working offers a good mix of home and office working is good for business, then so be it. If a company decides a full return to the office is best, then I suppose employees either get on board or ship out. There’s plenty of opportunities out there to seek the right job and nobody is irreplaceable either.
It's time to learn what racism is, and this above is not it. Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Doesn’t matter. They have no proportionality to each other—regardless of frequency.
Of course, there are near-infinite examples that demonstrate as much—but useless to go into that here. You’ve clearly shown that evidence has no bearing on your strongly held convictions.
“I need a break” should be a valid “excuse”. Again, the point is for your employees to get their work done, not literally glue their asses to their chair. You're paying them for their work, not their chair ass grooves, right? (if you manufacture chair cushions and literally need the ass grooves I apologize, but somehow I doubt it). Breaks actually help, especially on a nice day. In the office or remote, I take plenty of breaks to step out, talk a walk, get coffee, hit the gym, etc throughout the day. And the whole time people know where I am because my boss fosters a culture that embraces breaks so no one feels they need to hide it, and we post when we’re going to be away and change our statuses on our comms. It’s not uncommon at all on a nice day for someone to post “great day, taking a walk, be back in half an hr or so”
and as for meetings and such that’s what calendar invites are for. If you start meetings just by rounding people up such that someone stepping away creates a problem it means you're forcing context switches and pissing off everyone, I promise
I also assume you must not work for a company with multiple offices, forgetting about the portions of the team I’m on that’s always been remote, or those like me that often worked remote at least once or twice/week even before the pandemic, we also have people on the team spread through 6 timezones, and coordinate with even more folks outside the team. Plenty of them work from the office, just a different one thousands of miles away. Keeping everyone in sync works the same way as remote employees.
Tldr everything you’ve listed in all your replies are problems that exist because of lack of process and overbearing management and a paranoia that somehow your employees are pulling one over on you. Track your employees work, not their desk presence, and put in place processes to handle that and everyone will be much happier. You're the problem, not your employees taking a walk
Would you be okay with a WFH policy that required residency within a certain distance of the office? Because “calendar invites” for in-person meetings don’t really help much when your office is in Cupertino and your staffers have moved to Idaho.
Have you never worked for a company that spans timezones and/or are you living in 1950 or something before computers were commonplace? Outlook and any other similar app is perfectly capable of handling showing availability adjusted automatically for timezone. Sometimes it's not possible to not inconvenience folks, I occasionally have a very late (for me) meeting to accommodate folks a couple hours behind me for ex, but overall it's worked well for me at plenty of jobs. My current and last couple employers all have large global presences, teams are spread out across timezones already and were long before the pandemic.....
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Oh, I see. You’re back to arguing that teleconferences are just as good as in-person meetings and only dumb or anti-worker employers ever require the latter.
…and what would be wrong with that?
If someone from Bangalore or Budapest can outperform someone local, good.
In that scenario, the “lazy whiners” would be the ones crying “but, but…never mind my skills and performance…I only live 2 miles from your office! Doesn’t that count for everything?”
Why would the foreigners have to outperform? They could underperform, as long as the decrease in salary is equivalent to or greater than the underperformance. Factory jobs didn’t go to China because Chinese can make twice as many widgets in the same time as an American.
I mean for one because deadlines are a thing and finding right solutions isnt just a matter of throwing more but less efficient people at a problem. Otherwise they could pay less for less skilled people in the US too
also, fun fact, the US is still the world’s largest manufacturer
I'm guessing this thread will set a new Apple record for slams...
I wonder what the Venn diagram is of “people on this thread slamming the employees for being ‘spoiled brats’” and “people on this thread whose education on their Facebook page is listed as “the school of hard knocks’” (regardless of actual education level). I’d bet it’s nearly a circle, some serious “get off my lawn” vibes from these folks. How dare people want better and more inclusive working conditions
yuuup
Keeping on on that vein, I’ve had recruiters from non-us based companies try to poach me too, it’s not like it’s a one way street