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Apple Starts Early Production on Next-Generation iPhones With Force Touch

Crosscreek said:
I'm still using my 5s and hope Apple produces another 4" iPhone in the future.
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I have a 6, but my wife is still using her 5 and holding out for a new 4" iPhone. I may upgrade hers to a 5s this fall just to keep her phone somewhat capable.

I'd love to know how many sales they're actually losing. My wife actually misses the even-smaller iPhone 4 form factor.
 
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TWD98j said:
Assuming the part about the (slightly) increased dimensions on the 6S are true, in terms of height and thickness, will this mean that the current cases for the 6 won't be compatible with the 6S?
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You might be right here, if Apple were to increase the depth of the phone to make it slightly thicker we would have seen cases by now leaked showing that the phone is thicker. Leaked cases in the past have always surfaced when something changes in dimensions. My guess is current cases for the 6 & 6+ will not fit the 6s and 6s+ if Apple increases the thickness.

My other concern with the force touch is that it will use up more battery life, hopefully it's a toggle that you can use or not use if you choose.
 
The antenna lines on the current iPhone has to be one of the worst appealing design elements in Apples history of iPhones, whoever designed that should never design again. I've heard so many people say they don't like it, why couldn't Apple have made it like the 5 & 5s less noticeable that blends into the phone instead of sticking out. What's even worse is they made the bands a lighter gray color that sticks out even more. No matter how many times I look at it I just don't like the look of those bands, visually it's not appealing to me. I'm also not hearing people say there getting better reception with the look of those bands so I don't really see the point of why they designed it like they did.
 
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Guess it will be time to upgrade from my 4. That's been a great phone but finally starting to show its age.
 
Piggie said:
So, as you say above, you do care a bit.
Roughly how much less could you care then?
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Well, it depends. I care about it slightly more than the Apple Watch, which I despise. That's just me. I despise all Digital Time Pieces. Not just the Apple Watch.
Although, if I were forced at gun point to choose, I would own a Casio G-Shock.

If I were in the 6s+ camp I'd most likely care a bit more as well. Personally, Force Touch is only worth it on a 6s+ or larger device.

So I guess I really did not answer your question about "how much less. "So, I'd say it's right around choosing between a Lime Spritzer or a Lemon Spritzer. :apple:
 
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TWD98j said:
Assuming the part about the (slightly) increased dimensions on the 6S are true, in terms of height and thickness, will this mean that the current cases for the 6 won't be compatible with the 6S?

When I upgraded to the 5s, for example, I went with a Mophie Juice Pack for the iPhone 5 because it was compatible since the 5 and the 5s share the same physical dimensions.

I would hope to do the same thing when I upgrade to the 6S - get a Mophe for the iPhone 6 to use - but if the 6s has different dimensions, it may not work.

So, if this is true, this could mean that case manufacturers may have to make new cases for the iPhone 6S. How inconvenient for case manufacturers as well as those of us hoping to get a case at launch day, perhaps.
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I highly doubt that they won't. My brother has a Mini 2 with a Mini 1 case on it. If you didn't know, the Mini 2 is 0.3mm thicker than the Mini 1. It sticks out a tiny bit, not much at all, but apart from that, no problems. I doubt that the 6S, which will be 2 hairs thicker than the 6, will have significant issues.
 
Is it just my eyes or are the antenna lines on Jony's space gray phone almost non existent? Perhaps they figured out how to make the antenna lines blend better and he's using a prototype phone? Or it's just a low res photo and the lighting make them blend. Though if I look at my space gray photo from a distance I can still see the antenna lines.

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Rogifan said:
Is it just my eyes or are the antenna lines on Jony's space gray phone almost non existent? Perhaps they figured out how to make the antenna lines blend better and he's using a prototype phone? Or it's just a low res photo and the lighting make them blend. Though if I look at my space gray photo from a distance I can still see the antenna lines.

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I can just about make them out. I don't really mind the antenna bands, but I really can't imagine what it would look like without them. Perhaps they can change their colours make them more hidden.
 
BMcCoy said:
The screen isn't going to move, don't worry.

This is the problem with referring to different things with the same name.
'Forch Touch' refers to the software UI of having two different responses to a touch at the same point. In hardware track pads on the new MBPro, the track pad moves down, to provide the input for the harder press.
On touch screen devices, like this iPhone, the assumption is that the screen will detect more of your fingertip contacting the screen to interpret a harder press.
Two different ways to provide a 'harder press' input, but unfortunately both have been labelled 'Force Touch', hence possible confusion!
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I'm pretty sure the trackpad on the new MacBooks doesn't move, but it only gives the illusion of it moving. If you turn it off it's static and cannot be depressed.

Not sure how similar the underlying technology used is to the Apple Watch, but they may have more in common than you think.
 
dazed said:
Guess it will be time to upgrade from my 4. That's been a great phone but finally starting to show its age.
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I loved my iPhone 4 but it really showed its age to me quite quickly. The phone always felt underpowered after putting iOS 5/6 in it. Even simple apps would take ages to open...
 
KylePowers said:
Probably the first iPhone I'll skip (which of course I say every year). I think the 6 is great.

Force Touch on my AW doesn't really do too much for me. I never think to use it, either. Some sort of secret UI element based on a harder touch doesn't scream user friendly to me.
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I agree, after Apple replaced my defective original iPhone 6 Plus, it's replacement has been fine. Force Touch hasn't enough of a track record to appeal just yet. I'd much rather wait.

Especially now that Apple's driven iPhone prices so high their greed is blatant. Building a high quality smartphone is one thing, but pricing it as high as they have is clearly a money grab.

No thanks, I'll pass. (an opinion many of my colleagues share)
 
maxsix said:
I agree, after Apple replaced my defective original iPhone 6 Plus, it's replacement has been fine. Force Touch hasn't enough of a track record to appeal just yet. I'd much rather wait.

Especially now that Apple's driven iPhone prices so high their greed is blatant. Building a high quality smartphone is one thing, but pricing it as high as they have is clearly a money grab.

No thanks, I'll pass. (an opinion many of my colleagues share)
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How exactly has Apple driven iPhone prices so high? My iPhone 6 was no more expensive than my 4S, 5 or 5s. In fact with the 6 we got 64GB for what we used to pay for 32GB.
 
Rogifan said:
How exactly has Apple driven iPhone prices so high? My iPhone 6 was no more expensive than my 4S, 5 or 5s. In fact with the 6 we got 64GB for what we used to pay for 32GB.
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Shame on you for bringing rationality to these forums.
 
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Dayv said:
I have a 6, but my wife is still using her 5 and holding out for a new 4" iPhone. I may upgrade hers to a 5s this fall just to keep her phone somewhat capable.

I'd love to know how many sales they're actually losing. My wife actually misses the even-smaller iPhone 4 form factor.
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Me too.

I miss the 3.5". It really was the ideal size.
 
Glideslope said:
Well, it depends. I care about it slightly more than the Apple Watch, which I despise. That's just me. I despise all Digital Time Pieces. Not just the Apple Watch.
Although, if I were force at gun point to choose, I would own a Casio G-Shock.

If I were in the 6s+ camp I'd most likely care a bit more as well. Personally, Force Touch is only worth it on a 6s+ or larger device.

So I guess I really did not answer your question about "how much less. "So, I'd say it's right around choosing between a Lime Spritzer or a Lemon Spritzer. :apple:
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You have good taste, if I may say so.

Digital time pieces are intrinsically tasteless, and will be to the end of time.
 
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maxsix said:
I agree, after Apple replaced my defective original iPhone 6 Plus, it's replacement has been fine. Force Touch hasn't enough of a track record to appeal just yet. I'd much rather wait.

Especially now that Apple's driven iPhone prices so high their greed is blatant. Building a high quality smartphone is one thing, but pricing it as high as they have is clearly a money grab.

No thanks, I'll pass. (an opinion many of my colleagues share)
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Force is actually a quite useful feature. I have it on my 2015 mbp 13 and you can do quite a a lot and it saves time. I have no idea how force touch is going to be on iPhone 6s. It may be useful like on mbp or just another useless gimmicky feature.

But if the force touch on mbp is any indication of how force touch is going to work on iPhone then force touch would be a nice edition.
 
MrGuder said:
The antenna lines on the current iPhone has to be one of the worst appealing design elements in Apples history of iPhones, whoever designed that should never design again. I've heard so many people say they don't like it, why couldn't Apple have made it like the 5 & 5s less noticeable that blends into the phone instead of sticking out. What's even worse is they made the bands a lighter gray color that sticks out even more. No matter how many times I look at it I just don't like the look of those bands, visually it's not appealing to me. I'm also not hearing people say there getting better reception with the look of those bands so I don't really see the point of why they designed it like they did.
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Yeah, HTC did a much better visual design on the HTC One, which was the first metal case-antenna smartphone with automatic electronic tuning to handle human touches. (Apple later made a cross licensing deal with HTC, which gave Apple access to years of HTC's antenna R&D.)

However, on their version of the HTC antenna design, Apple added extra curved lines around the top and bottom which made it look like pin-striping gone crazy. Or maybe Jon Ive thought it look like striping on a British railway engine.
 
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MrGuder said:
The antenna lines on the current iPhone has to be one of the worst appealing design elements in Apples history of iPhones, whoever designed that should never design again. I've heard so many people say they don't like it, why couldn't Apple have made it like the 5 & 5s less noticeable that blends into the phone instead of sticking out. What's even worse is they made the bands a lighter gray color that sticks out even more. No matter how many times I look at it I just don't like the look of those bands, visually it's not appealing to me. I'm also not hearing people say there getting better reception with the look of those bands so I don't really see the point of why they designed it like they did.
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True story! I hope Apple fixes the back of the 6S. I'm getting the 6S regardless. Worst iPhone back design ever on the iPhone 6.
 
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ColdShadow said:
I'd say you have been lucky with your 4s,or didn't use it much at all.
My 2.5 years old 4s (which I kept very well) still looks pristine,but thats about it.battery barely holds charge,it now shuts down dead at 30% charge with no warning.it's slow and laggy and worst of all,the WiFi just died with no warning or reason 5 months ago..
So much for Apple quality..I have a 6 since launch but I know I can't trust this phone to work more that 2 years.
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You do know you can get your battery changed for $20-30 bucks don't you? Plenty of places do it around here do it, even on much older phones. Got my 3GS done for $20 in 20 minutes while I waited. That's a 6 year old phone BTW.

A 2.5 year old phone's battery may be long in the tooth, if you've been doing full charges/discharges every day on average 0-100-0 (that's a pretty heavy use of a smart phone). Even worse if you charge more than once a day.

Lithium battery tech is pretty standard and not sure how Apple relates at all to this. The batteries have about 1000 full charges in them before losing 30% of their initial capacity (that's 2.7 years). If your discharges are not as deep, batteries last longer; a 50% daily discharge would allow 2500-2700 charge cycles (7 years) before losing 30% of initial capacity. On average, people are around 20-30%, which gets their batteries to last at least 3-4 years (if they charge just once a day on average).

If you use your phone intensely (say playing FPS), use them while plugged in (keeping battery always near 100%), in high heat areas (say leave it outside in the sun or car, especially while charging), charge them from the wall instead of through USB, charge it with the Ipad charger, that will further affect battery longevity.

In the end, the biggest impact on battery longevity is your own usage is what determines how long your battery lasts.

And when its used up, as I said, replacing it is a trivial bother and expense.

Considering Apple just upped the warranty coverage on their batteries; seems they're pretty confident they will last at least as much as the tech allows (or it would be a costly move).
 
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