Apple Starts Early Production on Next-Generation iPhones With Force Touch

[Glideslope]

6S really doesn't have any real must have festures. If you don't have a 6 then go for it. Hopefully 7 will be a killer iPhone

Disagree. The extra gig of RAM will be VERY useful in iOS 9. The A9 is a very nice chip with much improved graphics ability. Probably no power savings as it's still 20nm. We will have to wait for the 14nm A10 for the next be efficiency jump. I could care less about Force Touch. However, there are many little changes in the new chassis. But we will have to wait for the tear downs.

 

[BlackLight]

I think this is going to be my very first iPhone. I need some time away from android for a while.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

I'm hoping that screen does not move AT ALL. If it does, this just opens the device up to creaks, and will feel really cheap.

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

Considering I don't even have a phone at the moment because I don't find the options very compelling, improving camera, memory, and force touch makes it sound pretty interesting. Any chance of USB C, too?

 

[spinedoc77]

I've already said, it's the coating that scratches, not the glass.



Doesn't the FT trackpad disprove your point?

Meh, take the coating off and be done with it. Taking the anti glare coating off increases the glare from around 4% to 8%, hardly life changing. Otherwise it takes a beating from anything but a diamond, that's pretty damn useful to me. I've had my current watch for about 15 years, I beat the living heck out of it, construction, outdoor work, yardwork , banging it against concrete walls by accident more times than I remember, you name it and it doesn't have even the faintest hint of a scratch.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Disagree. The extra gig of RAM will be VERY useful in iOS 9. The A9 is a very nice chip with much improved graphics ability. Probably no power savings as it's still 20nm. We will have to wait for the 14nm A10 for the next be efficiency jump. I could care less about Force Touch. However, there are many little changes in the new chassis. But we will have to wait for the tear downs.

I wouldn't say the A9 is 20nm just yet, I mean we haven't even seen it yet. I'm sure there's a chance that it could be 14nm. Also, while I agree that the A9 will be more powerful, we've yet to see by how much.

 

[dampfnudel]

Disagree. The extra gig of RAM will be VERY useful in iOS 9. The A9 is a very nice chip with much improved graphics ability. Probably no power savings as it's still 20nm. We will have to wait for the 14nm A10 for the next be efficiency jump. I could care less about Force Touch. However, there are many little changes in the new chassis. But we will have to wait for the tear downs.

I thought the A9 will be 14nm. That's according to several sources, including Samsung.

 

[dampfnudel]

I'm still using my iPhone 5 got it when first released, had the battery replaced during the recall campaign, this was my first iPhone and has lived up to all my expectations. I'm hoping that iOS9 will work on my iPhone 5.

However I am interested in the 6s mostly because of the larger screen 4.7, I don't need the other larger one. The 4.7 might be the sweet spot. I personally hate the antenna lines and protruding lens on the current iPhone 6 so if they change that and add 2 gigs of ram it might be enough for me to upgrade.

In reality I'm not sure Apple will change all that much because if they change the antenna lines, make the phone slightly thicker to correct the camera lens then add in 2 gig of ram and add force touch....I mean what will be left for the iPhone 7 the next year? Apple never adds that many new features especially on a S model and the past has always shown they hold out some items for later designs.

Apple will probably give next year's iPhone wireless charging and USB-C in addition to a redesigned body and 10nm A10 processor. A big maybe would be a integrated home button/touchID button in a larger display (5"+).

 

[TWD98j]

Assuming the part about the (slightly) increased dimensions on the 6S are true, in terms of height and thickness, will this mean that the current cases for the 6 won't be compatible with the 6S?

When I upgraded to the 5s, for example, I went with a Mophie Juice Pack for the iPhone 5 because it was compatible since the 5 and the 5s share the same physical dimensions.

I would hope to do the same thing when I upgrade to the 6S - get a Mophe for the iPhone 6 to use - but if the 6s has different dimensions, it may not work.

So, if this is true, this could mean that case manufacturers may have to make new cases for the iPhone 6S. How inconvenient for case manufacturers as well as those of us hoping to get a case at launch day, perhaps.

 

[dampfnudel]

Considering I don't even have a phone at the moment because I don't find the options very compelling, improving camera, memory, and force touch makes it sound pretty interesting. Any chance of USB C, too?

I would be surprised if this year's iPhone got USB-C, but then again, I was surprised with the MacBook.

 

[BMcCoy]

I'm hoping that screen does not move AT ALL. If it does, this just opens the device up to creaks, and will feel really cheap.

The screen isn't going to move, don't worry.

This is the problem with referring to different things with the same name.
'Forch Touch' refers to the software UI of having two different responses to a touch at the same point. In hardware track pads on the new MBPro, the track pad moves down, to provide the input for the harder press.
On touch screen devices, like this iPhone, the assumption is that the screen will detect more of your fingertip contacting the screen to interpret a harder press.
Two different ways to provide a 'harder press' input, but unfortunately both have been labelled 'Force Touch', hence possible confusion!

 

[2IS]

Force Touch, 2GB of ram, improved camera...this is gearing up to be a very nice S upgrade!

Is it? 2GB is Loooooooong overdue, improved camera is a given, happens with every single new phone. Force Touch is "meh" by most accounts. I just don't see any "wow" factor to any of these.

 

[vmistery]

Just a wild shot in the dark, but maybe it's because you last upgraded in September, two years ago??

It could well be! I love upgrading around launch days

 

[KiXeR]

C´mon Apple, i´m stuck with cr*ppy Samsung phone right now while my cr*ppy Lumia 830 is sent for repair...neeed iphone noow.

 

[Raymen]

I had decided to upgrade my issue laden 5 earlier this year, but knew the update was coming roughly Sept so have held off to see what is offered by the upcoming revision.

The rumored upgrades all sound great to me - even if a select few make it to the final cut, as I would take a current 6 plus now were it not for the impending update.

My only thing I would like to see whatever they do upgrade - is a battery that at minimum matches current 6 performance (better would always be good!) .

I personally couldnt really see a point in CPU and RAM jumps - only for the performance to be throttled (optionally) in iOS9 when it gets to 20% power… especially if that were to happen quicker because the of said upgrades.

It also seems a silly move to have less battery life in the new phone what with the Watch still needing a phone to be connected to for at least some of its functionality.

So - please Apple, lets not make it thinner and lighter

 

[mscice]

I hope they get rid of the home button due to force touch and create smaller phone keeping same window size

 

[Piggie]

I could care less about Force Touch.

So, as you say above, you do care a bit.
Roughly how much less could you care then?

 

[Andrei90]

Ming-Chi, man! That guy is craaazy, am I right?!

Oh c'mon, everything Ming predicts happens.

 

[nj-morris]

That's just not true. The glass scratches after the oleocoating wears off, which is usually within a few months.

I've never had any coating wearing off. Even so, the screen scratching is not nearly enough of a problem as it shattering; which I have said is easier to be done than with the current iPhone glass.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

I had decided to upgrade my issue laden 5 earlier this year, but knew the update was coming roughly Sept so have held off to see what is offered by the upcoming revision.

The rumored upgrades all sound great to me - even if a select few make it to the final cut, as I would take a current 6 plus now were it not for the impending update.

My only thing I would like to see whatever they do upgrade - is a battery that at minimum matches current 6 performance (better would always be good!) .

I personally couldnt really see a point in CPU and RAM jumps - only for the performance to be throttled (optionally) in iOS9 when it gets to 20% power… especially if that were to happen quicker because the of said upgrades.

It also seems a silly move to have less battery life in the new phone what with the Watch still needing a phone to be connected to for at least some of its functionality.

So - please Apple, lets not make it thinner and lighter

Storage & RAM is right now probably the most useful upgrades.

Storage is self-explanatory.
RAM because right now the iPhone will have to reload safari tabs if you open too many or switch to a different app.

Force touch will be basically worthless for most apps except games. Reason being is that all i'd do is add an extra menu and devs can't add critical features in such as menu as a large percentage of users still have iPhone 6-.

 

[t0mat0]

What is Force Touch going to enable that it's so needed to bring to iOS?

Are we going to see a reworking of the UI for force touch phones and tablets ?

Eg to move and delete app icons - not a tap and hold but a force touch.
Repositioning tab icons (think old iOS music when you could have artist, album, genre etc).
Sharing menu becomes force touch enabled in Safari?

Currently Select, Select All and Paste, Speakare used for touch and hold - but that's been superseded by being able to use two finger touch and hold and drag.
Would they brig in the circular UI used in Camera to take quick video/photos?

Force touch isn't so sensitive that it can understand varying pressures for an artist - maybe for doodling. Wacom use styluses that are pressure sensitive for that. Imagine Apple would do similar (they've got the latency down to a few Ms).

 

[chabig]

Force touch isn't so sensitive that it can understand varying pressures...

Force touch does indeed sense varying pressure.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

Force touch does indeed sense varying pressure.

Presumably, Tim Cook found it useful last weekend when he was feeling the pressure from Taylor Swift.

 

[Alisstar]

Have any parts leaked yet?

 

[paysdoufs]

Force Touch on my AW doesn't really do too much for me. I never think to use it, either. Some sort of secret UI element based on a harder touch doesn't scream user friendly to me.

Same here. I honestly hope Apple plans for an option to deactivate FT. Does sound neither like a good idea nor like something particularly user-friendly to me (on a smartphone screen)...