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Apple Starts Early Production on Next-Generation iPhones With Force Touch

spinedoc77 said:
You mean besides being one of the hardest known materials which will only scratch with a diamond?
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I've already said, it's the coating that scratches, not the glass.

brucku said:
It would have to work like this - the screen is way too huge for "just press hard anywhere" to be a function, it will have to know where your finger is force touching - otherwise apple would be creating a second home button - maybe this would be the way to finally remove the home button from the face.
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Doesn't the FT trackpad disprove your point?
 
nando87 said:
80 USD a month! Jeez. I pay 24 euros for a 20gb 4G and unlimited domestic calls plan in Spain (I buy the iPhones free, without contract, of course)
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The $80 a month covers the cost of the phone though. You're paying $650 (likely $750) to buy the phone outright. For T-Mobile it's only $15 on top of your normal plan to lease an iPhone 6 for 18 months. After that you can buy it out or trade it in for the new one.
 
nj-morris said:
No degree here. I just can't think of a single advantage of sapphire.
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If you don't *know* of an advantage, why do you even begin to claim that there isn't one?

Sapphire is, as noted elsewhere, a very hard material. From a materials perspective, hardness is good, but in everyday applications, toughness is better. (These really are technical terms, hardness and toughness.)

But to keep it simple, sapphire is a brilliant material, and could easily have advantages over basic glass (even advanced glass) in many applications. Glass is just way, way, way cheaper to produce, and, as much as it pains me, low cost is a material materials engineering advantage.
 
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demodave said:
If you don't *know* of an advantage, why do you even begin to claim that there isn't one?

Sapphire is, as noted elsewhere, a very hard material. From a materials perspective, hardness is good, but in everyday applications, toughness is better. (These really are technical terms, hardness and toughness.)

But to keep it simple, sapphire is a brilliant material, and could easily have advantages over basic glass (even advanced glass) in many applications. Glass is just way, way, way cheaper to produce, and, as much as it pains me, low cost is a material materials engineering advantage.
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Fine, I take back that claim. And do you mean tough as in harder to shatter? Because I've heard that it shatters easier than glass (or at least the glass used in phones). Not sure if that's what you meant.
 
iFanaddic said:
if Apple was to implement force touch in the next iPhone wouldn't we see hints of it in iOS 9? It seems like too big of a feature to implement without a beta phase, but then again current iPhone's don't have force touch..

I think Apple may come up with a force touch enabled iPhone, but with watered down functionality, the full potential of force touch will only be released with iOS 10 next year, and only then will we see where Apple is going with this.
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Nope. There is always stuff they don't release in the betas. The new stuff will be tested internally.
 
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teslo said:
sounds more like something you use or you don't. can't toggle off a hardware update.
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We shall see. They allowed people to not use touch ID also you can turn off force touch on the MB Pro.

yes I realize this is a little different since some apps may write just for force touch and it could be a potential issue.
 
VanillaCracker said:
If they recently applied for it then that means that they're working on it for the iPhone 7, not the iPhone 6S.
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Or it could mean that they're rushing it to market with the 6S, or it could mean that they are using it on a completely different product, or it could be one of their HUNDREDS of patents that never get used.... but thanks for sharing your opinion.
 
According to this Business Insider article with a former Apple intern Jony Ive is not a fan of the camera bulge on the iPhone 6/6 Plus.

http://www.donotlink.com/fpp1

If that's true I'd be very curious to know why the decision was made to keep the bulge and not make the phone thicker.
 
6S really doesn't have any real must have festures. If you don't have a 6 then go for it. Hopefully 7 will be a killer iPhone
 
teslo said:
i think you've missed the whole point of what's coming: improved OS X/OS9, more RAM, titanium/aluminum (with hidden antennae bands), AND force touch..

how could this be the one to skip?? this is the first one i've been this excited about since the 4
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I agree - I love my 6+ - and even the 1GB RAM is not a limitation like I have found it to be on the iPad Air (1) - and the constant refreshing of Safari tabs if you have more than three at a time open (when you switch between tabs).

But, what is this about no need for visible antennae? The higher Aluminum series would not enable this, and I don't think Titanium alloys would either?

I am very curious to see what kind of A9 processor improvements we will see - though I feel that the current processor is enough for what I do with my phone. Not saying that I wouldn't welcome improvements, anyway! I also think that added Force Touch is an obvious addition. Glad to think it will be so.
 
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Christian 5G said:
Love my 5s but I think it'll be time for an upgrade. THOUGH I hate the sleep/wake button on a side.
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It is easier to reach the sleep/wake on the new larger phones! But, my muscle memory for my last several iPhones still has me reaching to hit a non-existent button on the top of the phone. It's been nearly a year, and I still do this without thinking when I'm not paying attention.
 
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uid15 said:
"Force Touch" just sounds inappropriate... as does £600+ for a smart phone.
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All of the top-tier smartphones (and yes, I do mean some using a competing OS) do cost 600+ (dollars and GBP). Unless you find a sale/deal/near-giveaway by desperate manufacturers and carriers trying to offload their stock which isn't selling well. I am one for saving money whenever possible, but for me, the iPhone is worth the price offered. I did previously try several different android phones (Motorola & Samsung, two different models) and both were disappointments, and frustrating experiences (I preferred the Motorola - which is now Lenovo - probably an improvement). Also, the interoperability with other apple devices is valuable to me, as I have an iMac, MBPR, and iPad.
 
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Tycho24 said:
I would NEVER judge someone based on their phone...
You CAN however tell some things by it. Thinking someone with a flip phone is "old-fashioned", for example is NOT standing in judgement... it's using common sense. If I saw you using a modern phone that is smaller than most flagships... say, an S5 mini or something, I wouldn't think they were cheap or anything- just like a smaller phone! However, if I saw someone from my generation (over 20, under 40) using a six year old smart phone... it would slightly pain me. I'd be curious what their problem is. I wouldn't immediately assume they're fresh out of jail & found it in a dumpster or anything, but I'd certainly recognize that there's some weird mental hangup going on. I'm pretty sure my grandmother doesn't use the same phone for six years... & with smartphones, your behavior is DEFINITELY eccentric. Someone noticing your odd behavior doesn't equate to them "judging" you.
You have to recognize that if you do something that strays from the "norm" that most are used to, you're inviting some small amount of curiousity & conversation, yeah?
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Hilarious..."I wouldn't immediately assume they're fresh out of jail and found it in a dumpster" on a 20/30-something using a six-year old smartphone! It's true, in smartphone-years 6 might as well be twenty!
 
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I'm still using my iPhone 5 got it when first released, had the battery replaced during the recall campaign, this was my first iPhone and has lived up to all my expectations. I'm hoping that iOS9 will work on my iPhone 5.

However I am interested in the 6s mostly because of the larger screen 4.7, I don't need the other larger one. The 4.7 might be the sweet spot. I personally hate the antenna lines and protruding lens on the current iPhone 6 so if they change that and add 2 gigs of ram it might be enough for me to upgrade.

In reality I'm not sure Apple will change all that much because if they change the antenna lines, make the phone slightly thicker to correct the camera lens then add in 2 gig of ram and add force touch....I mean what will be left for the iPhone 7 the next year? Apple never adds that many new features especially on a S model and the past has always shown they hold out some items for later designs.
 
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