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Apple Still Considering USB 3.0 in Addition to Thunderbolt?
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USB 3 if it comes to macs will kill the rapid use of thunderbolt but what can you do usb flash drive are not going to go thunderbolt any time soon if ever.
Blu-ray only when Steve is complete buried considering it would probably eat into their movie business.
The cost is an invented idea. All you need is the connection, really. Providers charge for bandwidth because they can. When I beta-tested cable for @Home in 1997 it was free-for-all, there was no capped upload speeds. Full 10MBit/sec upstream. I ran a Hotline server and distributed beta software back then. It was lots of fun while it lasted.
150 people all chatting and downloading at once, what fun!
What we need is to figure out an inter networking solution that cuts out the ISP's all together.
not sure what that would be at the moment, but they need some real competition to move forward and right now they're all in bed with each other to some extent.
If Apple truly believed in thunderbolt being the sole connector for peripherals, they would have just dropped USB 2.0 and go completely TB.
Since they are keeping USB connectors, I don't see why they couldn't displaced the current USB 2.0 ports with USB 3.0 instead. It's backward compatible, and doesn't need to take up additional room.
Also TB should have enough bandwidth to do USB 3.0 over TB. I'd like to see USB 3.0 connected to TB if they cant squeeze USB 3.0 on board.
Since they are keeping USB connectors, I don't see why they couldn't displaced the current USB 2.0 ports with USB 3.0 instead. It's backward compatible, and doesn't need to take up additional room.
Also TB should have enough bandwidth to do USB 3.0 over TB. I'd like to see USB 3.0 connected to TB if they cant squeeze USB 3.0 on board.
What we need is to figure out an inter networking solution that cuts out the ISP's all together.
You go to a University and hook up to a University-wide Ethernet network...you basically have all the bandwidth you want, as much as you can pipe down (or pipe-up). No ISP. Just straight pipeline backbone connection.
That is what I am talking about.
OC-768, here we come!
Interesting speed comparisons:
Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth
PCI 132 MB/s
AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s
PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s
PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s
PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s
PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s
PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s
PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s
USB 2.0 (Max Possible) 60 MB/s
USB 3.0 (Max Possible) 500 MB/s
IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s
IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s
SATA 150 MB/s
SATA II 300 MB/s
Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s
IEEE1394B [Firewire 800] ~100 MB/s*
*Firewire 800 has a bandwidth of 786.432 Mbit/s this converts over to between 98 and 99 MB/s.
Thunderbolt 600-700MBps
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/macbook-pro-early-2011-with-thunderbolt-hands-on/
Must admit USB 3 is impressive for been backward compatible.
Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth
PCI 132 MB/s
AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s
PCI Express 1x 250 [500]* MB/s
PCI Express 2x 500 [1000]* MB/s
PCI Express 4x 1000 [2000]* MB/s
PCI Express 8x 2000 [4000]* MB/s
PCI Express 16x 4000 [8000]* MB/s
PCI Express 32x 8000 [16000]* MB/s
USB 2.0 (Max Possible) 60 MB/s
USB 3.0 (Max Possible) 500 MB/s
IDE (ATA100) 100 MB/s
IDE (ATA133) 133 MB/s
SATA 150 MB/s
SATA II 300 MB/s
Gigabit Ethernet 125 MB/s
IEEE1394B [Firewire 800] ~100 MB/s*
*Firewire 800 has a bandwidth of 786.432 Mbit/s this converts over to between 98 and 99 MB/s.
Thunderbolt 600-700MBps
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/macbook-pro-early-2011-with-thunderbolt-hands-on/
Must admit USB 3 is impressive for been backward compatible.
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Merely a title.
USB 3 is more practical for 99.99% of computer users. There are hundreds of millions of USB devices in service and about 3 Thunderbolt devices.
Thunderbolt will become the "standard" peripheral interconnect interface....
Apple will drop USB eventually just like they did with MiniDIN Serial in 1998 when the iMac, Wallstreet PowerBook G3, and B&W G3 came out.
Remember, they dropped ADB too at the same time. No more Mini-DIN.
Apple will drop USB eventually just like they did with MiniDIN Serial in 1998 when the iMac, Wallstreet PowerBook G3, and B&W G3 came out.
Remember, they dropped ADB too at the same time. No more Mini-DIN.
Nice .. Cook has just been a CEO for couple of days now, but I can see some new policies from Apple being more democratic.
-Releasing iPhone for more US carriers
-Adding USB 3.0 support into Mac without relying or waiting on Intel
Some of you may see Apple being dumbed down slowly, lost its exclusivity or arrogance. Well I love this kind of Apple more, being less niche and more common. As long as they keep the good work with hardware and software, I don't mind Apple being less-elite than it used to be. Thunderbolt and USB 3.0? That makes Mac even more perfect.
-Releasing iPhone for more US carriers
-Adding USB 3.0 support into Mac without relying or waiting on Intel
Some of you may see Apple being dumbed down slowly, lost its exclusivity or arrogance. Well I love this kind of Apple more, being less niche and more common. As long as they keep the good work with hardware and software, I don't mind Apple being less-elite than it used to be. Thunderbolt and USB 3.0? That makes Mac even more perfect.
Perhaps Tim doesn't carry arrounf the same emotional bagg(ages) of hurt and we might even see blueray.
Apple won't keep putting USB2 when all other machines support USB3
But Intel isn't waiting for Intel - most of Intel's Sandy Bridge motherboards have USB 3.0 via that tiny, tiny NEC USB 3.0 controller.
Intel doesn't see it that way....
Flame on!
Please describe which TBolt and 1394 drives you used, and the setup.
Intel isn't waiting for Intel....
There are reports that the TBolt controller will not be part of the chipset - it will still be a separate chip.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4406/correction-ivy-bridge-and-thunderbolt-featured-not-integrated
It may seem even better once we see prices on TBolt devices.... There are too few yet to make any generalization.
Sorry, I think I was being facetious.
What we need is to figure out an inter networking solution that cuts out the ISP's all together.
Computer to computer networks? Not really the same but ...
Well too bad my Mac still don't have it yet. But alas, if OSX going to implement bluray support in the future, I'm a happy camper already
I don't mind plugging external bluray drive for this purpose, just don't make me going bootcamp to directly watch bluray disk (you know .. without converting
) on my iMac Sure I have my own HDTV for Bluray watching purpose, why would I watch it on relatively small 27"? But let's think about Mac Mini natively support Bluray playback on your HT?? That's called freedom of choice, folks
.. And also one less thing to be mocked from a Mac, wouldn't you say?Yeah, exactly. It boggles my mind that this is considered 'news'. Anyone with a clue has been assuming that Apple would add USB 3.0 when it became, for all intents and purposes, free: i.e., whenever Intel's chipsets would start to include built-in support for it. In this way, supporting USB 3 is, and has always been, an inevitability. We've known that USB 3.0 would be added to Intel chipsets in 2012 for, what, a year now? And therefore that's exactly when Apple products will start including it.
It's not unusual for Apple to support both USB 3 and Thunderbolt any more than it was to support both USB 2 and Firewire: Thunderbolt, much like Firewire before it, is never going to replace USB on the low-end of things (mouse, printer, flash drives, etc); therefore, USB support must continue; therefore, the faster version of USB will be supported at such a time when it would actually take more work to not support it.
Apple's not 'against' USB 3, rather, they've just viewed USB 3 and not worth the motherboard real estate needed to add a discrete chip to support. Too much hassle, too little payoff.
That was true before there were any pre-release whispers of Thunderbolt, and just as true after its unveiling, and Jobs' retirement now has nothing to do with it.
I'm glad, I think it's been long enough, Apple needs to adopt USB 3.0, yes I understand that Thunderbolt is a lot faster but the problem is it's very hard to find external drives that have support for Thunderbolt..
And anyway USB3.0 is backwards compatible, Apple has nothing to lose here, we will need USB regardless..
And anyway USB3.0 is backwards compatible, Apple has nothing to lose here, we will need USB regardless..
I totally dropped the ball on that one.
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Seriously. Why do people find this so hard to understand? There is only ONE thing you need to do to roughly forecast Apple's Mac hardware updates (ie accurate to within 1-2 months): Look at Intel's upcoming release schedule for the respective class of processor.
(Yes, Apple occasionally gets certain chips early. And sometimes lags behind with updating certain *cough*mac mini*cough* products. But really, it all averages out to within 1-2 months of Intel's releases.)