Apple Still Considering USB 3.0 in Addition to Thunderbolt?

[WardC]

Then, move to Korea. They have 150Mbs connection for about the cost of 15Mbs here.

No Thanks -- I would be more willing to fork out the cash for an OC connection to my house rather than give up my rights as an American citizen. Korea is definitely on my list of places in the world I NEVER wish to go...

They might have faster Internet for the average citizen over there, but you don't have the same opportunities to capitalize, travel freely, and advance yourself like you do in the USA. There is no place like living in the US...don't get me wrong, I would like to travel to Europe one day - yeah - but I would rather live my life as a citizen of the USA.

I wouldn't mind that small cabin in the woods in Norway with the Gigabit Internet, I did read about the TCP/IP inventor who got his mother hooked up with the ultra-fast connection somewhere in Scandinavia.

 

[blunti]

How dare you bring up BD at a time like this .....

This is supposed to be a flame war concerning USB 3.0 .....

simple answer: some of us make a living out of working on feature films/documentaries/tv series/whatever.

and since this article brought up the MP I don't see why BD _along with_ usb3.0 support would even make you wonder why it was brought up.

50gigs of backup on a single disc is nice to have. not everyone is using their macs to read emails and play world of warcraft / sc2.

better get over this, son.

 

[munkery]

Korea is definitely on my list of places in the world I NEVER wish to go...

South Korea? I have always wondered what it would be like living in the movie Blade Runner.

There is no place like living in the US...

Despite the fact that the US has essentially become a proxy for indirectly investing in China given that China is a major creditor holding a large portion of the US debt?

simple answer: some of us make a living out of working on feature films/documentaries/tv series/whatever.

and since this article brought up the MP I don't see why BD _along with_ usb3.0 support would even make you wonder why it was brought up.

50gigs of backup on a single disc is nice to have. not everyone is using their macs to read emails and play world of warcraft / sc2.

better get over this, son.

Sorry, I think I was being facetious.

BTW,



You would rather use USB 3.0 and BD?

 

[haruhiko]

Ooooops somebody obviously mixed up the North and South Korea... I thought that I would see reasons like "I don't like Samsung everywhere"...

Just like some people never know what's the difference between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China...

 

[snebes]

http://www.htc.com/us/products/thunderbolt-verizon
http://tbolt.net/

Really? Really? No one has called these 2 links out yet?

 

[munkery]

Ooooops somebody obviously mixed up the North and South Korea... I thought that I would see reasons like "I don't like Samsung everywhere"...

Kind of hard for a Mac user to be flippant about Samsung given many of the OEM parts used in Macs.

Just like some people never know what's the difference between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China...

Are you implying that the PRC and ROC are not a single country with two opposing governments lobbying for control over a single nation state?

How dare you!

 

[acslater017]

Thunderbolt will become the "standard" peripheral interconnect interface....

Apple will drop USB eventually just like they did with MiniDIN Serial in 1998 when the iMac, Wallstreet PowerBook G3, and B&W G3 came out.

Remember, they dropped ADB too at the same time. No more Mini-DIN.

Dude, just because Apple is pushing Thunderbolt doesn't mean you have to wish away other standards Of course, I/O comes and goes. But I think even the most hardcore Thunderbolt proponent would say that there's something unique about the ubiquity of USB - it is the UNIVERSAL serial bus after all. Even Apple's 30-pin connector comes out USB on the other end.

Thunderbolt is awesome and has its purpose. But I for one would not purchase a Mac without a USB port. "Oooh! Twice the speed. One-thousandth the number of peripherals!"

 

[Marx55]

USB 3.0 is dead. Bring Thunderbolt!

 

[munkery]

Thunderbolt is awesome and has its purpose. But I for one would not purchase a Mac without a USB port. "Oooh! Twice the speed. One-thousandth the number of peripherals!"

USB is the standard for connecting peripherals for home consumers. Higher sales volume of these products negates the need to change the standard to promote product sales.

The standard for professional consumers always changes to keep the economic wheels turning on these lower volume niche products.

 

[wikus]

LMFAO @ anyone not wanting USB 3.0 on a mac computer. Please explain to me how USB 3.0 (with 2.0 backwards compatibility) and Thunderbolt on the same motherboard will somehow make any mac computer worse.

I love this blind faith/bias in Apple, its as if rational thought doesnt exist, just mindless praise for apple.

For someone whos tech savvy, id like BOTH thunderbolt and USB 3.0 on my computer just so i get complete compatibility. And when i say that, i mean compatibility for the vast number of devices compatible with USB 3.0, because theres what, TWO products available for thunderbolt? Yeah, thats some serious contender.... who cares, its going to be Firewire 2.0; niche market with nobody in the real world (that means anyone that isnt a stupid apple fanboy) caring much for a few peripherals that on paper work on a connection thats superior.

Im not going to ditch all my components for thunderbolt when nobody uses it, its not a standard and is going to cost me money; keep it simple and give us both....

/end reality check for fanboys

 

[JabbaII]

Thunderbolt and USB3 are designed for different purposes I think.

With Thunderbolt you have to daisy chain which means no plugging and unplugging of devices.

Even more so if you hook up to a disport device (where it needs to be at the end of the chain).

I guess that is why the initial offerings of thunderbolt devices are external raid storage solutions which you'd probably be connecting 24/7.

USB3 is for thumb drives and portable hdds. And clear performance gain compared to USB2 on those devices.

 

[macnisse]

Makes sense as usb is the major interface for peripheral/external devices and will likely stay as such for a long looong time. No way they'll keep 2.0 if everybdy else moves on, they will upgrade for sure. The question is just when...

 

[jbyun04]

No Thanks -- I would be more willing to fork out the cash for an OC connection to my house rather than give up my rights as an American citizen. Korea is definitely on my list of places in the world I NEVER wish to go...

They might have faster Internet for the average citizen over there, but you don't have the same opportunities to capitalize, travel freely, and advance yourself like you do in the USA. There is no place like living in the US...don't get me wrong, I would like to travel to Europe one day - yeah - but I would rather live my life as a citizen of the USA.

I wouldn't mind that small cabin in the woods in Norway with the Gigabit Internet, I did read about the TCP/IP inventor who got his mother hooked up with the ultra-fast connection somewhere in Scandinavia.

My goodness, he's been absolutely brainwashed.

 

[ksgant]

What happened to all the USB3 to Thunderbolt adapters we were suppose to be seeing? Thought those were in the works, yet can't find anyone doing that. Just talk of it a little here and there.

 

[AIP5]

I really hope they implement the USB 3.0. My external HD's would be so much faster with USB 3.0.

Well, actually. I really don't care about which camp (Thunderbolt or USB), but as long as they actually have a wide array of products that utilize them. The only reason I like the current USB is because every USB product I know can work with it. I'm hoping the new standard...be it USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt, or both, is pushed out faster.

 

[JabbaII]

What happened to all the USB3 to Thunderbolt adapters we were suppose to be seeing? Thought those were in the works, yet can't find anyone doing that. Just talk of it a little here and there.

I have not tried this but if you have the express34 slot, you can use a eSata card + estata to usb3 converter to get close to USB3 speed.

Other alternative is to get the caldigit or lacie expresscard and their respective USB3 devices.

 

[baryon]

I'm sticking with USB 2.0 thank you very much! I don't really mind if my file transfer takes a bit longer. There's nothing I hate more than competing standards: you never know what to buy, whether it will last long enough, and what will happen with support in the future. For all I know, USB 2.0 is cheap and works fine. Even FireWire is hardly supported in most peripherals. I can't even find a proper FireWire external hard drive that doesn't cost a fortune. FireWire never caught on, it's just another Apple standard that tried to replace USB but never managed.

 

[MrPester]

Will ARM have a take on this?

There have been rumors apple could be moving to ARM instead of Intel in the future. ARM is involved in al kinds of USB 3.0 interfaces.

Check this article it is an USB 3.0 to Serial ATA Bridge for HDD's SSD's and other optical drivers and perhipals. IT uses a ARM chip.

Given the above and the notion that Apple might shift to a single OS for all its devices, all devices use the same chipset, improving power consumption tremendously, it might be a strategy for Apple to make them again innovative in the market.

 

[Chazn]

USB3.0? ******* yeah!

 

[Henriok]

I can't wait for my mouse to get faster. 10x sounds great!!

 

[Sol]

Even FireWire is hardly supported in most peripherals. I can't even find a proper FireWire external hard drive that doesn't cost a fortune. FireWire never caught on, it's just another Apple standard that tried to replace USB but never managed.

Not sure why you say that. FireWire peripherals work fine with current drivers so what is not supported? As for FW hard drives costing a fortune, that is not true unless you consider an extra ten or twenty dollars to be a fortune; many cases have a combination of USB 2, FW400 or FW800 and SATA for a few dollars more. Finally, FireWire did catch on with the pre-HD generation of video cameras, AD/DA video converters, DVD-Recorders, audio interfaces, and external hard-drives. Even if it overlaps in some areas with USB, FW carved its own market with those peripherals and was not meant to be in everything, like mice, keyboards and flash drives.

 

[gnasher729]

I have to wonder if we will see support for more things (like USB 3.0) now that Cook is CEO. In other words, maybe they won't take such a hard line against things like blu-ray, etc.

Mr. Cook had ten years time to watch Steve Jobs turn Apple from close to bankrupt to one of the two largest companies in the world with over $70bn in the bank. Is he going to say "now I have the job, now I show them how this company should really be run", or is he going to say "we found a way to run a successful computer company and make tons of money, in an environment where the largest manufacturer (HP) decides to call it quits, so I am going to continue exactly the way we were successful for the last ten years"?

Whatever decisions Steve Jobs made were not the result of any personal dislikes, but decisions based on what is best for Apple.

And with Thunderbolt being just PCI on a cable, anyone can built a little box with Thunderbolt-in, Thunderbolt-out, and say two USB 3.0, six USB 2.0, and four FW 800 ports.

Interesting speed comparisons:

Thunderbolt 600-700MBps
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/macbook-pro-early-2011-with-thunderbolt-hands-on/

Sorry to say, but you show a great lack of reading comprehension. Your table showed theoretical bandwidths that various ports can achieve, except for Thunderbolt. For Thunderbolt you showed actual bandwidth of a RAID device streaming four videos. Since these four videos used 600-700 MBit/second total, that is what Thunderbolt transmitted. The next limit is what the RAID device can provide. Thunderbolt itself is limited to 10 GBit per second and per channel currently, until an optical version is released at four times the speed.

 

[racketeer71]

Ooooops somebody obviously mixed up the North and South Korea... I thought that I would see reasons like "I don't like Samsung everywhere"...

Just like some people never know what's the difference between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China...

It's Americans, that doesn't know jack about geography outside the US. Standard answer: "Why should we, we're the center of the world!".

As the saying goes:

If you speak several languages, you're multi-lingual.
If you speak two languages, you're bi-lingual.
If you speak one language, you're American.

 

[Jayse]

Where is my FREE Fiber-Optic 100 Gigabit Fiber Internet connection, Apple...Google?? Anyone??? It is is 2011 folks, and we are stuck with the same cable broadband speeds we had in 1997!!! 14 year old technology, you would think our connection speed options would have improved....

In 1997, Macs shipped with 200MHz processors, 32MB of RAM and a 4GB Hard Drive, now we have computers shipping with over 200x as much RAM, are at least 50x as fast and have 500x as much disk space...

But the internet speeds are still the same????

I want my 100 Gigabit Fiber Internet connection....NOW!

We should be able to transfer at least 500 Megabytes of data per second over our Internet connections in major cities....the infrastructure is there, but it is being hoarded by institutions, companies, and Universities, and not allowed for mass-public subscriber access....our only two main options for "semi-fast" Internet are still cable and DSL....FIOS is only on Verizon in "select markets" and it is not a full Fiber connection, at that.

Blame your lousy government...

 

[MeAngry]

Perhaps, but on what models? I definitely don't expect 3.0 on airs for instance. Also, just because it is in Intel reference designs doesn't mean Apple has to include it on their own custom designs. Intel not having it was just a convenient excuse to not have it for Apple.

LOL wut? USB 3.0 will be standard in Ivy Bridge, meaning every USB port you connect to it will automatically be at 3.0. It's not an option, it's the only choice you'll have in a few years.
Apple just doesn't want to use a separate controller for USB 3.0, and I have no trouble understanding that decision as most of those are crap at the moment.