It won't matter because the above employees will be gone, replaced by those who are grateful to have a job.
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Apple Still Planning Return to In-Person Work in September, Despite Employee Complaints
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Unless you've suddenly changed your mind, we very much do not agree. There's nothing entitled about wanting to cut out the commute if being in an office doesn't have any impact on the work you produce.
Which one is the bubble?
Some do however and employees like this and managers who manage their employees day to day are needed.
But why would a company want to pay these folks what they pay to sit at home to have a hybrid day with work and family?
And why is it that average workers all of a sudden seem to know more about how to run a business than people actually running a business? Considering Apple is one of the most iconic companies maybe ever, one would think they kind of know what they’re doing.
Now the Sonic on the other side of town whose food is always cold and half their menu board are broken probably has room for improvement.
I didn’t have it that hard. That’s my point. I also don’t work in an air conditioned/heated office. So thanks for proving my point. I survived and it was fairly easy despite everything. So people who get to work in a nice office should either go to to work if they’re being asked to, or resign and let people who want to go to work, work.
You’re right. But it makes it a lot more efficient to walk over and discuss what’s going on vs calling or messaging them and waiting for a response.
I don't know, you tell me. I was just giving my opinion as a counter to their opinion.
If you think MSFT, GOOG, etc. are going to let you work from home forever while developing critical, top secret projects with billions of dollars of profit riding on them, then you don’t have no understanding of the tech industry.
They “made it work” during the pandemic because it was vital, but now that it’s feasible again all of the major players will follow.
Top projects at these places are treated with the same security precautions as people who deal with highly classified government projects working in SCIFs — believe me, I have close friends in both fields.
If you think everyone at Apple is working on these top-secret projects then your friends have definitely been lying to you.
There are 3000+ employees at the spaceship campus, I guarantee you that at least half of them (and likely a lot more) could do their jobs without ever setting a foot on the property.
tough issue. some work is better with in person collaboration. some work can be done from wherever. I take issue with Deirdre saying this year's product launches are because of the in person collab from years past. is that tacit admission they are going to have bad product launches in the near future? I bet not. so if it worked for a year and a half, why not keep it going. there's a paradigm shift in the US over office vs remote working. people got a taste of flexibility in routines, family schedules, commute, etc. and aren't going to be happy being forced back to the old ways particularly if they can do their job just as well from home.
amazon is also forcing employees back - and from a mid level manager friend of mine who lives in Seattle - people are pissed and looking to leave. these old dinosaurs making these demands of employees aren't with the new times and will likely find out the hard way the results of these mandates. and other companies will catch on - who wouldn't want to snap up an extremely talented and valuable apple employee if they have the need and aren't violating any anti-poaching agreements.
on the conspiracy side...I wonder if towns like Cupertino and Seattle have handshake agreements regarding tax breaks to build their offices that keep people in town and spending money in town. that many employees has gotta have an effect on the local economy. apple, amazon and others might be motivated to force in person work to keep their host cities happy too.
amazon is also forcing employees back - and from a mid level manager friend of mine who lives in Seattle - people are pissed and looking to leave. these old dinosaurs making these demands of employees aren't with the new times and will likely find out the hard way the results of these mandates. and other companies will catch on - who wouldn't want to snap up an extremely talented and valuable apple employee if they have the need and aren't violating any anti-poaching agreements.
on the conspiracy side...I wonder if towns like Cupertino and Seattle have handshake agreements regarding tax breaks to build their offices that keep people in town and spending money in town. that many employees has gotta have an effect on the local economy. apple, amazon and others might be motivated to force in person work to keep their host cities happy too.
What do you think they've been doing for the past 18 months?
You sound like Mr. Spacely or something.
That's clearly not true across the board. Maybe companies, who are small tech companies and certain Silicon Valley companies this might be true but it's not true across the board. And maybe the 9-5 M-F work week will now be hybrid and I think there are benefits all around, but it's not same across the board.
Tell me about it. They all think they're armchair immunologists and know better. Their actual expertise is in Windows/SCCM/Tanium/BigFix.
Leave it to the Apple/JamfPro guy (me), to get vaccinated as soon as it was available.
Oh come on, you know those employees working from home are trading stocks or mining cryptos at home!
In a free enterprise system, a company has every right to demand structure of every employee, and those employees have every right to sell their services elsewhere if they don’t want to conform.
I for one wouldn’t want it any other way…
Perhaps one point Apple is considering is that as a consumer facing company, they want a diverse pool of employees that relate to their customers' lifestyles. Not easy to do as a large company. Apple's customer base isn't "100% remote", hence a completely remote working culture doesn't seem like a good way maintain deep insight into their customer base.
I thought we were talking about entitlement. Work efficiency can be pretty clearly determined by your output over time and how often you hit or miss goals, I didn't think that needed explaining.
All those people complaining about going back are trying to figure out how to say they left California, under the guise of it is for the children.....
Yes, they do: At least in my group of family and friends the very talented ones started sending out resumés immediately when it became obvious their companies were going to insist of various levels of in-person return to office work. They got hired nearly immediately by companies who were progressive and able to change with the times, not run by doddering fools, set in their ways, who think that employers get to lord over their slavering masses. Their previous employers were left scrambling to fill vacancies with lesser qualified persons because all of the best and most qualified persons are doing exactly the same thing; going with employers who have moved forward.
At least here in Germany for some IT companies it is hard to find skilled people. So I guess that people who are just grateful to have a job are not top notch and probably not he employees Coole wants.
People who are very good in there jib most probably know their value to the company.