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They are a bunch of children , running scared over any rumor, they should take off their little girl pants, put on their big boy pants, and get in it for the long haul,this buying and selling over pennies is BS.
I bought in at $98 + and sold in September when it went to $704, if these babies take it back down to $300, I'm going back in for 2000 shares, and cash in when it gets to $1000:eek:

But part of that rise in your stock seventy fold was that Jobs was still around and pushing the innovation enveloped. The jury is still out on Cook, but I'm not convinced he has what it takes. Cooks seems like a good COO. Not an innovator.


The killer of Apple TV will be the alacart option, buy only the channels you want,
It will revolutionize the 1980's cable box idiom, and replace it with lower bills which people will flock to. End $190 cable bills for stuff you never watch. Win/ win for everybody!

Except bundling in those channels that you don't watch helps subsidize those that you do watch. I would hate to see how much AMC or HBO would be on their own.
 
But part of that rise in your stock seventy fold was that Jobs was still around and pushing the innovation enveloped. The jury is still out on Cook, but I'm not convinced he has what it takes. Cooks seems like a good COO. Not an innovator.




Except bundling in those channels that you don't watch helps subsidize those that you do watch. I would hate to see how much AMC or HBO would be on their own.


The jury is not out on Cook anymore, everywhere outside of the RDF knows he isn't the man for the job.
 
Except bundling in those channels that you don't watch helps subsidize those that you do watch. I would hate to see how much AMC or HBO would be on their own.

You're probably looking at $20-30/mo for HBO or Showtime a la carte.
 
http://gizmodo.com/5978783/can-appl..._source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Anyone anticipating a dramatic return to mega share price is deluded IMO.

Market share in all key markets is shrinking and will continue to do so.

http://gizmodo.com/5973073/an-iphone-lovers-confession-i-switched-to-the-nexus-4-completely

Android is now just so much better.

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Stock down to 446 in aht

The guy says Jelly Bean is more responsive then then iOS in touh and gestures? What complete ******** Jelly Bean still cant follow your finger as good as iOS does. Scrolling is much more accurate on iOS. But your entitled to what product you want
 
Do not, but

Yeah I'm not going anywhere, I've been long with them for way to long to just dump that fast. I'm confident it's coming back as well, even if it takes a few years I'm here for the haul

From what I see, you are close to 99% of retail investors and have sense of greed outpacing sense of fear by a big margin. The first is easy to correct - buy when you want to sell and sell when you want to buy, but the second you need to work on - try to treat your unrealized profit as your real money and when it declines treat it as someone just stole your real money, especially when stock is hitting all time high and you have big urge to buy or should have bought more . It appears you have stomach for huge losses - it is not bad quality.

Things with AAPL going forward will change dramatically from now on. Hopefully it will trade in decent range say 400-600. It would be awesome, but your long term strategy will yield you absolutely nothing, because of all the dough will be made on riding waves. Riding 400->600 is the least stressful journey, riding 600->400 is more difficult (mentally).

I have seen moron watching his Yahoo stock going from over $1000 to $8. Talking about greed.

Good luck, and yes stock has nothing to do with company (most of the time).

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You're probably looking at $20-30/mo for HBO or Showtime a la carte.

What is HBO, Showtime?

I do not even remember when it was last time I bothered to watch that garbage.

Getting real-time news feeds, is only unresolved issue right now. Everything else is available in streaming services.
 
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I have been following Apple too long (Stock price)...sad that I don't have any shares.

Anyway, I think this stock is soon going to see 500 easily and way more.

This is nothing new. This is all part of the game. The stock was getting too inflated for a long time and there were too many with long position for a long time. This is all profit taking and scaring the investors.

I will say it will stabilize soon around 400-425 and will be range bound for quite some time. Apple will be back.

Apple will soon come up with another product category to dominate for next few years and make many more billions.
 
Explain then how Amazon gets away with little to no profit every quarter even though their top line is growing.

That would indicate most of their costs are variable rather than fixed and so grow withe revenue; for example the costs of free super saver shipping.

Apple introduced a lot of products towards the end of 2012. Newer products will have higher costs in the beginning won't they?

Generally yes.

In the same period in 2011 what did Apple release besides the 4S?

MacBookPro
 
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I'm not allowed to call anyone a "fanboy", so I'll just say that certain individuals who let their love for a computer company overshadow their common sense doubled down after the last dip. I saved this screen shot for greater justice.

So far he's lost over $10,000. It'll probably go up a bit tomorrow, but still.
 
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I'm not allowed to call anyone a "fanboy", so I'll just say that certain individuals who let their love for a computer company overshadow their common sense doubled down after the last dip. I saved this screen shot for greater justice.

So far he's lost over $10,000. It'll probably go up a bit tomorrow, but still.

its ok. He was just playing with monopoly money.
 
Game of Thrones? The Wire? Deadwood?

You're missing out

He can get the entire series of The Wire and Deadwood on iTunes or Amazon these days. Game of Thrones too, though he'll always be a year behind.

I've been tempted to do that myself. Cut the cord entire. Cancel cable TV entirely, and buy all the shows I want to watch season by season. I'd save a ton of money doing things that way.

Then I realized I'm an impatient bastard, and don't have the willpower to wait to figure out what happens next. Not when everyone else is out there having fun, going "OMG DID YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON GAME OF THRONES THIS WEEK? SOMEONE GOT NAKED AND A GUY GOT STABBED"! I'm so flawed. :(
 
Then I realized I'm an impatient bastard, and don't have the willpower to wait to figure out what happens next. Not when everyone else is out there having fun, going "OMG DID YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON GAME OF THRONES THIS WEEK? SOMEONE GOT NAKED AND A GUY GOT STABBED"! I'm so flawed. :(

Piracy?
 
I was following Apple stock for some time. Sometimes it seems irrational, sometimes crazy but there is some logic behind that. Its a psychology. Investors are like a group of wounded animals, who fear every move around, fear that someone will stole their egg (investment value), fear that new technology will depreciate their holdings. Many of them have no or little understanding and knowledge of technology market, have a little grasp of latest technology trends, so they would listen to anyone who sound authoritative on those issues and will be grateful for free advise - even if that advise is completely wrong or the person who offers it doesn't understand a single thing he is speaking about. So the first reason behind seemingly unbelievable moves of investors in Apple is mass psychology, which is a same thing just multiplied by a factor of millions. Instead of fear of a single person, you have summary of fears of few millions. And that really makes Apple stock a good subject for any kind of manipulations.

Second reason: why Apple stock rose until iPhone 5 and fell after that? Forward looking expectations (or in simple words, personal evaluations of future) of Apple results, the best corporate quarter in history of civilisation Apple just had, were already incorporated in climbing up to 700 dollars. In other words, when stock price was 700, investors already believed that Apple would deliver a record quarter reported Jan.23.

So why price dropped afterwards? The simple reason is that 700 peak was correlated with Jan 23; now there will at least 2 quarters which are traditionally weak either for Apple or for PC community in general, after Christmas period and spring. For investors who already obtained 700 dollars peak from the January 23 record sales, the coming quarters are not as attractive, so they began to anticipate weaker sales in coming winter/spring seasons not after Jan 23 but long before, namely in Fall 2012, so that why the bear reaction of Fall-Winter 2012 is related NOT to record sales of Jan 23, but to future spring 2013 sales.

There is nothing catastrophic in that. For every technology company, after christmas and spring are weakest quarters anyway. Panicked investors, however, mistook the signs of coming weak quarters as a sign that in general Apple is falling, while in practice it was delivering record sales and profits. This was quite confusing.

Third reason: in USA and Japan, Apple reached tremendous success in sales with a single model, winning against myriads of Android offerings. In China, it is rapidly making inroads, its coming to Indonesia, 4th largest country in the world and Foxconn established Apple product plants in Brazil, another huge market. In Europe, sales were not good but the reason is that European consumers now in no festive mood as they try to save every euro possible with bad news everywhere and they are famous for being very savvy - they would buy cheaper models available and iPhones are not cheap there at all, but Android is (yes even likes of S3 are much cheaper in Europe than iPhones). So in Europe you see both dampened economic mood (because half of Europe is bankrupt) and availability of many cheap Android models which look at least as good as iPhones or have bigger screens and so on while being substantially cheaper.

The low price factor is true for developing countries in general - in every corner of the world, where are cellphone vendors, you will see mostly Android models - not because consumers there love Google, but because its cheapest of smartphones. They would love buy Apple gear but it will be too expensive for them.

So investors looked whether Apple could sell more under current conditions and for future sales (not current which are record ones) they seem to find no way possible to grow as fast as before. The past evaluations of growth were already incorporated in stock price moving up to 700; the current evaluations are what driving the stock down. IMHO, they forgetting 3 very important things:

1. There are actually many unsaturated markets in developed counties which Apple may and probably will address. It includes first consumer and pro desktops (while the segment is stagnating, doesn't mean that share of Apple products there can't increase). So one have to hear what Cook meant that 2013 will be a year for Pro models. There are no still Retina desktops.There is ultrabook market pretty much owned by Apple, in which Retina MBA are still to come. Mac mini's could get more case space and become true headless Macs. There is an interesting opportunity of touch enabling OS X and therefore W8-like full OS X devices. There is a lot to do in both notebooks and desktops.

2. AppleTV; its a really mystery thing but given how tremendously Apple revolutionized both digital music and digital information markets, AppleTV may be a real coup. Indeed, hundreds of millions of iOS devices are ready terminals for streaming TV; the only remaining one is large screen in room in front of couch. AppleTV very well may end up being a center of digital home automation, one which controls heating, energy use, air conditioning, security and media, news and entertainment distribution in a whole home, across all rooms, across all (iOS) devices, all linked seamlessly with iTunes, all linked through AirPlay and AirPrint. Another huge opportunity is iOS integration in cars - which again is an extension of digital home, so your car will be linked through iCloud to what you watch and listen at home or at office, again seamlessly delivering you what you want, through Siri.

3. As was mentioned before, iOS line will be refreshed again: probably Retina across board, multiple sizes and screens and new iOS7/8 - under best industrial designer in the world now, it remains to be seen how drastically it will be revamped - and the sign of Forstall leaving Apple means that it has to be drastic. And when you will see fresh iOS on fresh iOS devices, consumer wallets will open again.
 
Depending what you bought in at, you could sell off and then buy back in once things settle.

I've been in since 2003....I bought some more just last week. So I'm in a pretty sticky situation. AAPL has made me more money beyond my wildest dreams, and it might very well lose me a crapload of money. I've had success at long, never really tried to short and buy back in. I know what you're saying, but I think I'm letting my emotion get the best of me, and I hate that, but damnit its Apple. I find it hard to believe they won't rebound (I think I'm setting myself up for failure LOL)
 
I'd argue that you're the one who is clueless, this isn't about now, it's about the future. It's the same reason why AAPL is down 12% despite the most successful qtr in history.

Doubts about the future.

Please explain why you think Apple should have double digit growth every qtr until the end of time.
 
I've been in since 2003....I bought some more just last week. So I'm in a pretty sticky situation. AAPL has made me more money beyond my wildest dreams, and it might very well lose me a crapload of money. I've had success at long, never really tried to short and buy back in. I know what you're saying, but I think I'm letting my emotion get the best of me, and I hate that, but damnit its Apple. I find it hard to believe they won't rebound (I think I'm setting myself up for failure LOL)

I'm in the same boat bro. I have to actively avoid thinking about how much I had when it peaked at $700 to avoid crying. But then again, I'm still up 70% so I can't cry too much.

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Good luck, and yes stock has nothing to do with company (most of the time).
Well, I wouldn't say nothing. They might not always be on the same page, but the two eventually catch up to each other. So either Apple really does start going down after this and catches up (down?) with its depressed price, or the price will adjust back up if the worst fears aren't realized and Apple really does come out with a few new "cool" products.
 
I'm in the same boat bro. I have to actively avoid thinking about how much I had when it peaked at $700 to avoid crying. But then again, I'm still up 70% so I can't cry too much.

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Yep that's my predicament. I lost a crapload today. I also gained a crapload since 2003. Just not ready to dump yet, and its going to take a lot to make me dump. I'm in the black. Won't be in the red for a while. Because of that.. I'm long.
 
Google and Android have killed Apple and iOS it seems to me.

Google stock is up and Android is miles ahead of iOS right now.

This is what happens when you essentially have the same old mobile OS for 5 years...
 
He can get the entire series of The Wire and Deadwood on iTunes or Amazon these days. Game of Thrones too, though he'll always be a year behind.

I've been tempted to do that myself. Cut the cord entire. Cancel cable TV entirely, and buy all the shows I want to watch season by season. I'd save a ton of money doing things that way.

Then I realized I'm an impatient bastard, and don't have the willpower to wait to figure out what happens next. Not when everyone else is out there having fun, going "OMG DID YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON GAME OF THRONES THIS WEEK? SOMEONE GOT NAKED AND A GUY GOT STABBED"! I'm so flawed. :(

Cut which cord? It's the same cord (iTunes or cable TV) for most people. iTunes version will cost more in total though. So, which one do you want to cut?
 
The jury is not out on Cook anymore, everywhere outside of the RDF knows he isn't the man for the job.
as Apple just posted the highest quarterly revenue and profit in its history, and the 4th highest profit of any company of all time. Yep he surely is failing.

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http://gizmodo.com/5978783/can-appl..._source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Anyone anticipating a dramatic return to mega share price is deluded IMO.

Market share in all key markets is shrinking and will continue to do so.

http://gizmodo.com/5973073/an-iphone-lovers-confession-i-switched-to-the-nexus-4-completely

Android is now just so much better.

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Stock down to 446 in aht
Gizmodo. Yeah, that's where I go to get my news.

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Thanks for sharing the article. Some good points in there:

No, there are no good points in there, it's just click bait. 2012 was Tim Cook's first full year as CEO. To suggest he should be fired because Apple hasn't cured cancer is ridiculous. Apple's stock dropped 40% in 2008. Was anybody then suggesting Steve Jobs should be fired? :rolleyes:
 
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