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Except it doesn't work.

Let's say there is exactly one billion shares outstanding. Each share is one billionth of the company. Now Apple starts buying back shares. After buying 500 million shares, each remaining share is now two billionth of the company - it is worth twice as much. No matter how many shares Apple buys back, all the shareholders together own exactly 100% of the company. If Apple buys back 999,999,999 shares and only one share is left, the owner of that share owns Apple.

I don't understand the reasoning here, maybe you can explain it to me. Let's say there are 1 billion shares and Apple buys all but 1, then Apple has all but 1 share, and the individual with that one share still only has one, so that individual still only owns 1 billionth of the company. You seem to imply the share are destroyed if Apple buys them. Couldn't they keep the shares alive and only abolish them once they own them all? That way no individual ever owns the company. For instance, every time a share is bought by Apple, they can give them to the top executives, so that those executives control the company and no one else.
 
Let's see....

Steve isn't around to require innovation, the iPhone 5 was disappointing, the only improvements they can think of now are "thinner" and "lighter", and there are rumors of an Apple watch (what next - an Apple abacus?) No wonder the stock is being punished.

WHY is lighter better for the iPhone? There is a reason Rolex doesn't hollow out their watches just to make them lighter - the quality (and perceived quality) would plummet. As the guy said in Jurassic Park: "Are they heavy?" "Yes." "Then they're expensive, put them down." Making the iPhone lighter just because you CAN with no tangible benefit shows a lack of direction, imagination, and innovation. Same goes for the iMac - why thinner? They couldn't think of how to improve the design, so they figured "lets make it thinner! thinner is always better!"

I love Apple. I just don't love the new Apple.

And yet probably everything Apple released last year Steve knew about and/or signed off on. If Steve was still alive and the exact same product line came out would people still be whining about lack of innovation? Because its not like Apple was creating market disrupting products every 6 months on his watch. :rolleyes:
 
Amen - spot on. And enough already with all the CNC diamond bit cut bezel bla bla hype. Not much new.

And yet the HTC One is getting rave reviews for its unibody aluminum construction with chamfered edges. :D

Btw, it's diamond cut chamfers, not bezel.
 
With the 6.28% drop in AAPL the market cap. of Apple dropped $25B, the total market cap. of: DELL $24B, YHOO $26B. Apple is so large and volatile that a lower-than-expected revenue forecast from a supplier can dropped the share price by the valve of a large company.
 
Apple seriously needs to make itself private. F' all the goddam stock investors; they don't need to answer to anyone but consumers.

Apple cannot "make itself private". A group of hedge funds could, but not Apple itself.
 
These variations on a quarter to quarter basis happen.

Nothing like this has ever happened. Tim Cook has presided over the largest drop in market value of any company ever in the history of the world.
 
Forget revenue. The stock price is correlated to profit growth. And profits are flat to down. Margins are going down. Not a good sign long term.

I was only discussing the claims the person I quoted presented. Ask Amazon about profits. The market isn't always rational. This large companies trade on perception more than anything and that's taken more of a hit than anything else.
 
What makes you think he knows how to run a behemoth of an international conglomerate corporation?

He's a designer, and not a businessman.

What business experience did Steve have? Cook seems to fit the bill and yet we keep hearing calls that he needs to be replaced.
 
Considering Apple's stock dropped after having their best quarter in history, it's pretty clear this stock is being manipulated like crazy by so-called experts.

It's getting to be about time to buy again. Apple is sure to announce a new product category or service soon, if not several, which will shoot the stock back up. Thank goodness there's suckers who sell low and buy high.

You say it is time to buy again, but you are clearly not an investor yourself.

Stocks rise and fall based on future growth potential, not current results.

Best quarter ever? If you mean worst quarter in a decade for growth you are exactly right...

"Apple Inc. (AAPL) plunged the most in more than four years after posting the slowest profit growth since 2003 and the weakest sales increase in 14 quarters, fueling concern that mounting costs and competition may curtail growth. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-23/apple-s-holiday-sales-miss-predictions.html
 
The smartphone market has continued to grow, while apple's revenue remains flat. That's lost revenue.

Also:
Google's influence in Motorola will create a premium android phone. The Samsung galaxy has some staying power because of advertising. But the HTC One is the phone to have. Over the next 6 months HTC's popularity will become more obvious, and Samsung will be old news. But Motorola is the one to look out for.

Apple just needs a wow factor, and they're back on top. If Apple gives us a 5s and a cheaper iphone their reputation as a premium manufacturer is out the window. If Apple gives is a sexy iphone 6 and a cheaper iphone it's sunny days for years.

Profits were flat last quarter, revenue still grew, and no, the market expanding is not lost revenue anyway. Lost revenue share, perhaps, but lost revenue. Lost revenue happens when their revenue goes down...

No comment on your predictions, they are purely speculative anyway.
 
Sorry but the MacPro is not what's driving AAPL stock downward. They could release the best f'ng MacPro ever tomorrow and it wouldn't move the needle on the stock one bit.
Exactly. What today's drop shows it that Apple's stock price is based on the success of iPhones and to a slightly lesser extent iPad. Apple is predominately an iOS company. Lower-than-expected revenue forecast from an iPhone supplier caused this drop. If Apple announced that they were discontinuing the MacPro the stock wouldn't move 6%.
 
The biggest enemy of Apple is not Google but itself. Most of its profits come from iPhone but they refuse to give people different sizing options and so people like me have pre-ordered the Galaxy S4 because it has a 5" screen compared to my puny iPhones 5's 4" screen.

Why can't Apple just do a 4",4.5", and 5" screens? Give people options, small screen phones are so 2007. Also, redesign iOS, its so boring now.

For me the size is a minor thing. It is the battery life of the iPhone 5 that sucks. I need to constantly charge it or to have an extended battery pack otherwise it surely dies at around 7-8pm, according to my own experience and several people around me. I think it is around 20% less than the iPhone 4S.
 
It's a natural rebalance more that a dramatic drop!

I mean come on we had tech revolutions that enabled the iphone, it was not a new idea. Apple only brought the elements together and smashed the competition for a few years up until about 2010 when others caught up, I think that apple stocks natural level is around the 350-400 mark so once it hits 350 if it does then it's a must invest time again to keep for 5-7 years then sell again.

There is a global tech slow in phones at the moment no one is bringing new products that everyone needs. Apple has almost flooded the market, an ipad is not now a must have upgrade like it was from the first gen. same with the iphone is true.

The current tech is the isssue now. For example no matter what anyone says 1080p at 5 inch is overkill, 350ppi is max needed for any screen size ever. Camera quality is not improving with mega pixels no matter what anyone claims, quality optical design is the only way not stats.

Same is true with processors which don't need quad cores or any more ghz but instead should just be coded better as bad code on any speed will cause glitches and judders. GFX are really at an amazing point where we are only a few gens away from photo realistic rendering and there now with good code.

Battery tech is at it's current limit with lithium ion.

No one needs NFC and all the extra gimmicks samsung etc are trying to shift as self proclaimed revolutions either.

The phone has reached it's current tech evolution for the next 3-5 years, there is no advantage to spec bumps that are possible, they are not needed at all and are detrimental to other aspects that are currently more important such as battery life responsiveness etc.

Time will tell but Apple is more likely to make a new product based on what they have done for the phone market than spec bump like everyone else is doing.
 
The biggest enemy of Apple is not Google but itself. Most of its profits come from iPhone but they refuse to give people different sizing options and so people like me have pre-ordered the Galaxy S4 because it has a 5" screen compared to my puny iPhones 5's 4" screen.

Here's what I think Apple should offer for their iPhone line:

1. A "re-imagined" iPhone 4S with a 3.5" screen but with a non-glass back. It will be GSM/CDMA/TD-SCDMA only and will sell at a very reasonable unlocked price.

2. The iPhone 5S, essentially an iPhone 5 but with faster internals and an NFC radio/antenna subsystem.

3. A new, 5.5" 'phablet' iPhone with optional stylus input with fast internals and an NFC radio/antenna subsystem.
 
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