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wait for the trial when video evidence is made public. I can guarantee everyone deflecting the blame away from him will be disappointed.
The video evidence will be made public long before there is a trial and it is highly doubtful there will be a trial unless the District Attorney is running for re-election or another office next November.

You can't guarantee anything. The video will show what we already know and no one is denying.
 
Yep... Happens fairly often here in the St. Louis area. Older person tries to park in one of those spaces with lines painted for them across the front of a shop. Accidentally hits accelerator instead of brake and drives through the front window/entrance.
Happens fairly often here is the NYC area and suburbs. Younger person tries to park in one of those spaces with lines painted for them across the front of a shop. Accidentally hits the accelerator instead of brake and drives through the front window/entrance maiming someone or causing a death.
 
The video evidence will be made public long before there is a trial and it is highly doubtful there will be a trial unless the District Attorney is running for re-election or another office next November.

You can't guarantee anything. The video will show what we already know and no one is denying.
You sound so sure. The state is undergoing a complete change of the guard, names want to be made. with the state police taking over the investigation it will shift under State jurisdiction, not county.
Talk to your sources there and learn who lives in Hingham, they don’t want their town scarred, like Martha’s Vineyard.
 
You sound so sure. The state is undergoing a complete change of the guard, names want to be made. with the state police taking over the investigation it will shift under State jurisdiction, not county.
Talk to your sources there and learn who lives in Hingham, they don’t want their town scarred, like Martha’s Vineyard.
I know Hingham very well. The video will be seen before a trial if there is a trial
 
I know Hingham very well. The video will be seen before a trial if there is a trial
Then you know he could have cut the wheel far more than he did or driven into burtons. He barely turned.
He said he used left foot to brake. Wouldn’t there be skid marks somewhere since the 2019 4 runner is a rear drive 4 wheel drive?
 
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Then you know he could have cut the wheel far more than he did or driven into burtons. He barely turned.
He said he used left foot to brake. Wouldn’t there be skid marks somewhere since the 2019 4 runner is a rear drive 4 wheel drive?
Anti-lock brakes have been mandatory in the US in all cars built since September 2012. Skid marks are not guaranteed to be there.
 
Happens fairly often here is the NYC area and suburbs. Younger person tries to park in one of those spaces with lines painted for them across the front of a shop. Accidentally hits the accelerator instead of brake and drives through the front window/entrance maiming someone or causing a death.
I can't tell how much you're joking, but it's true, young people crash into stores too (about 30% are aged 30 or below). Who knew there was a council researching and advocating on this topic, but the stats are quite staggering...

Storefront crashes occur more than 100 times per day

46% of all storefront crashes result in an injury

8% of all storefront crashes result in a fatality

Each year in the US, as many as 16,000 people are injured and
as many as 2600 are killed in vehicle-into-building crashes.

Statistics by cause:

Operator Error - 21%
Pedal Error - 20 %
DUI - 15%
Traffic Accident - 12%
Medical - 9%
Ramraid/crash and grab - 6%
All other causes - 17%

 
Everybody has an opinion here, but facts would be a great thing when leveling serious accusations against someone.

He does not, as you say, have DUI"s." The distinction between one DUI and more than one DUI is quite important when assessing the driver.. He had DUI citation in VT. I did not find anything that said what the disposition of the citation was. There is no record of any other incident involving alcohol. According to the police, he blew a 0.0 on the breathalyzer test immediately at the accident.

There is no evidence or statements from police, at least so far, that this is anything more than a very horrible tragedy. That could change, but it is now 36 hours after the accident and his identity is known. By now, there is nothing they don't know about him. There are no stories of him having shady connections, politically, criminal or otherwise.

So given all that, I am wondering why a person would assume that the driver is involved in something nefarious and the accident was not an accident or that alcohol was involved..
I did not level an accusation. I expressed skepticism at the reason for the accident as reported by the driver.

As far as I'm concerned, and to be clear, this is my opinion, a citation for a DUI is the same as a thousand. There is simply NO EXCUSE for driving under the influence even ONCE. And repeat offenses of the type are pretty common, to the rate of one DD death every 50 minutes.


Thus, I simply expressed a belief based on the information on hand at the time and the existence of the (ok, single) DUI.

I STILL don't believe that the guy's foot got stuck, and I won't until it is unequivocally demonstrated that it did.
 
"I get that people panic, but he truth is that this guy has DUIs on his record. I don't believe for a second that his foot got stuck."

I have never seen a better example of a non-sequitur.

So lemme try to better explain what I mean (English is not my first language):

"People panic": A possible reason that the guy's alleges his foot got stuck.

Existence of a DUI on the individual's record: Reason for my skepticism.
 
“He has no criminal record in Massachusetts. He was charged with DUI in Vermont in 2020, although that was expunged.”

-From WCVB.com

Link- https://www.wcvb.com/article/hingham-massachusetts-vehicle-crashes-into-apple-store/42025703
"Rein was charged with motor vehicle homicide by reckless operation and reckless operation of a motor vehicle during his arraignment in Hingham District Court and held on $100,000 bail."

There's a reason why he was charged.

"Officials said Rein has no criminal record in Massachusetts, however his driving history shows he was taken into custody and cited for driving under the influence after a crash in Roxbury, Vermont, in December 2020, according to Vermont State Police."

So that's 2 crashes, one for which he was arrested and cited for DUI.

Sorry, I don't buy the "foot got stuck" thing.

But none of us here are the judge nor the jury, so it's all meaningless speculation for the purposes of entertainment at this point. We're not solving this case here.
 
I did not level an accusation. I expressed skepticism at the reason for the accident as reported by the driver.

As far as I'm concerned, and to be clear, this is my opinion, a citation for a DUI is the same as a thousand. There is simply NO EXCUSE for driving under the influence even ONCE. And repeat offenses of the type are pretty common, to the rate of one DD death every 50 minutes.


Thus, I simply expressed a belief based on the information on hand at the time and the existence of the (ok, single) DUI.

I STILL don't believe that the guy's foot got stuck, and I won't until it is unequivocally demonstrated that it did.
Look, my only issue is the accuracy of what you said and repeated publicly and the lack of facts. Accuracy without editorialization. Getting the facts right is critical, especially when someone turns to saying something nefarious is going on and everything is not what it seems to be.

The seriousness of a DUI whether it is alcohol or drugs (legal or otherwise) is not in question or treated lightly. I have lost a family member to a drunk driver so your lecture about the evils of it is not necessary nor should you infer anything about a lack of seriousness on my side because I said the distinction between a singular event and multiple events is very important and you casually ignored it.

I don't think your fact sheet is necessary and it does not speak to why I replied to your comment.

Lastly, you said in this reply that the information on hand at the time was the basis for your opinion. The information on hand at the time of your post does not support what you said. Little inaccuracies read by others most often snowball into something like a fish story where the fish the guy caught goes from three inches to three feet after a few repetitions from those who heard it.
 
I did not level an accusation. I expressed skepticism at the reason for the accident as reported by the driver.

As far as I'm concerned, and to be clear, this is my opinion, a citation for a DUI is the same as a thousand. There is simply NO EXCUSE for driving under the influence even ONCE. And repeat offenses of the type are pretty common, to the rate of one DD death every 50 minutes.


Thus, I simply expressed a belief based on the information on hand at the time and the existence of the (ok, single) DUI.

I STILL don't believe that the guy's foot got stuck, and I won't until it is unequivocally demonstrated that it did.
It’s rarely the first time driving under the influence that someone gets their first DUI.
 
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It’s rarely the first time driving under the influence that someone gets their first DUI.
Yea it's like any crime. Hate the delusional people who say I never got a citation. That doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law. You just didn't get caught. An even stupider one was on Ricki Lake long ago. The people were like "We only get fines" You don't get fined for legal behavior!!
 
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"Rein was charged with motor vehicle homicide by reckless operation and reckless operation of a motor vehicle during his arraignment in Hingham District Court and held on $100,000 bail."

There's a reason why he was charged.

"Officials said Rein has no criminal record in Massachusetts, however his driving history shows he was taken into custody and cited for driving under the influence after a crash in Roxbury, Vermont, in December 2020, according to Vermont State Police."

So that's 2 crashes, one for which he was arrested and cited for DUI.

Sorry, I don't buy the "foot got stuck" thing.

But none of us here are the judge nor the jury, so it's all meaningless speculation for the purposes of entertainment at this point. We're not solving this case here.
There is enough room to get about 35-45mph in that strip of parking lot. But the left hand turn just at the end of the strip can be easily made at 25-30mph without braking. Even doing 45 he could have turned sharper and crossed the patio area in front of the store at a much sharper path of travel.
The parking lot is poorly designed, especially down by the Whole Foods.
 
I STILL don't believe that the guy's foot got stuck, and I won't until it is unequivocally demonstrated that it did.
It’s actually possible. I got into a minor fender bender because my shoelace got wrapped around the pedal. It didn’t cause me to accelerate, but I was unable to move my foot to the brake pedal. If I didn’t panic, I would’ve used my other foot to push the brake pedal.

I do find it’s kind of difficult to believe this guy was able to get so much speed in a parking lot regardless of his foot position. Parking lots are 10 MPH in the USA although I’ve seen so many people go 40 MPH+ through them. I suspect this guy was driving recklessly and lost control, causing the accident.

If he was sober, I’m not sure there’s much that’s going to happen to him because in the USA it’s just considered an accident unless there was some gross negligence. If he was intoxicated, he’ll likely get probation and lose his drivers license for a period of time.
 
A witness who was outside the store estimated the SUV was going around 60 miles per hour moments before the crash. She told investigators the driver didn't appear to slow down or hit the brakes as she watched it go over the curb and into the store.
"I believe the operator stated that his shoe got stuck on the accelerator and then he was using his left foot to apply the brake," Panacopoulos said. "That would show up on the download of the EDR (event data recorder) to see if that's truly what he was really doing."
"Toyota has a long history of unintended acceleration problems that date back to the mid-2000s," said Sean Kane, of Safety Research and Strategies. "You can't take the complexities of today's motor vehicle and expect anomalous behaviors not to occur."
One victim of the accident has improved enough to leave critical care, but South Shore Hospital doctors said one of the victims is still fighting for their life. A total of eight people spent Thanksgiving in the hospital because of the crash.
Bollards have been erected in front of the Apple store in Hingham. Bollards are made of steel or concrete and are strong enough to stop a car.

Some updates from CBSnews Boston
 
I can't tell how much you're joking, but it's true, young people crash into stores too (about 30% are aged 30 or below). Who knew there was a council researching and advocating on this topic, but the stats are quite staggering...





I mean, this is entirely unsurprising. I had a friend who owned a computer store in town and a 16 year old girl crashed through his store window in her new Kia Soul. She'd only been driving for a few weeks, so inexperience was certainly the problem there. (He had a good sense of humor though. So after she wound up in the middle of his shop, he tapped on her window and asked her to roll it down. Then he simply said, "Sorry mam, but we don't have drive-thru service at this location.")

But that doesn't change the fact that 30% being "age 30 or below" leaves 70% who are older than that.
 
Anti-lock brakes have been mandatory in the US in all cars built since September 2012. Skid marks are not guaranteed to be there.
I would counter with as the SUV hit the curb in excess of 50mph the front and rears would lock up and would initially leave a mark when they hit the ground. Not one person I know saw any marks. Once the video is released it will show it was not a simple accident. And having been to that apple store and neighboring stores a harder cut of the wheel would yielded a different result.
 
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I would counter with as the SUV hit the curb in excess of 50mph the front and rears would lock up and would initially leave a mark when they hit the ground. Not one person I know saw any marks. Once the video is released it will show it was not a simple accident. And having been to that apple store and neighboring stores a harder cut of the wheel would yielded a different result.
Are we sure they were going that fast? Last item I read, and to be fair I havent been keeping up on it, was that a witness estimated 60 MPH. Witnesses are unreliable at best, and estimating speed is horribly estimated by those who are not experts.
 
Are we sure they were going that fast? Last item I read, and to be fair I havent been keeping up on it, was that a witness estimated 60 MPH. Witnesses are unreliable at best, and estimating speed is horribly estimated by those who are not experts.
Not being a di¢k but Not sure who the “we” is.
I’m pretty confident when the final number is released we will become all of us
 
Really? I'm surprised it's that soon. I'll have to stop by.
Since you’ll be in the area, can you swing by the dunks down past SS Shore hospital and get me a dozen donuts and send them to me.
Whitman isn’t to far; Christo’s, a large Greek salad extra feta.
Heck with those, send some Chinese food.
Thanks
 
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Since you’ll be in the area, can you swing by the dunks down past SS Shore hospital and get me a dozen donuts and send them to me.
Whitman isn’t to far; Christo’s, a large Greek salad extra feta.
Heck with those, send some Chinese food.
Thanks
I've been looking for good food in that area, watch Christo's end up becoming my new favorite place.
 
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