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Except.. unions are rare in high tech.
I can't think of a single current/recent union member co-worker.
Google? Nope. Apple Retail? this thread - one store. Microsoft? nope. IBM? not any more. The list goes on, dude - unions are very, very specific to industries and skew very much blue collar.
And if you hate unions, are willing to cross lines (I am) - why would you care about unions?
Well Raven Software just unionized and MS/Phil Spencer has said they will recognize said Union.
 
In a country with human rights, yes. Not America.
Americans consistently support policies and vote for politicians that actively make their lives worse. Just look at some of the bootlickers in this thread trying to spin the unionization of this store into a bad thing by belittling retail employees and parroting right-wing talking points about workers being "lazy" and not needing representation.

Conservative politicians and pundits in America have successfully convinced millions of people to idolize the rich and shun the poor. Being poor is seen as a self-inflicted failure of morals, which is why so many people in here talk about retail employees with a decent amount of contempt. What those people don't understand is that no matter how hard they work, they will always be closer in wealth and status to retail employees than the billionaires they have been trained to protect.
 
What those people don't understand is that no matter how hard they work, they will always be closer in wealth and status to retail employees than the billionaires they have been trained to protect.

This. I can understand (to some extent) lack of empathy. What I don't understand is these are people (as somebody once nicely put it here) with two serious medical bills away from bankruptcy, yet they lick corporate boots and admire the filthy rich.
 
The bar for using the phrase “makes history” keeps getting lower. Other than the people impacted, what does it really matter?
 
Americans consistently support policies and vote for politicians that actively make their lives worse. Just look at some of the bootlickers in this thread trying to spin the unionization of this store into a bad thing by belittling retail employees and parroting right-wing talking points about workers being "lazy" and not needing representation.

Conservative politicians and pundits in America have successfully convinced millions of people to idolize the rich and shun the poor. Being poor is seen as a self-inflicted failure of morals, which is why so many people in here talk about retail employees with a decent amount of contempt. What those people don't understand is that no matter how hard they work, they will always be closer in wealth and status to retail employees than the billionaires they have been trained to protect.
Which reminds me of the guy who yelled out at a political rally, "I don't want the government messin' with my Social Security check!". [Face Palm!]
 
Except.. unions are rare in high tech.
I can't think of a single current/recent union member co-worker.
Google? Nope. Apple Retail? this thread - one store. Microsoft? nope. IBM? not any more. The list goes on, dude - unions are very, very specific to industries and skew very much blue collar.
And if you hate unions, are willing to cross lines (I am) - why would you care about unions?
I worked for the FDIC in the early 90s which was mainly college educated white collar workers with at least bachelor’s degrees in finance, accounting, economics, etc. The Atlanta Region where my field office was part of didn’t have a union but the offices in the Chicago Region and other regions in the northeast did have unions.
 
What is the compensation structure at Apple Stores? Are they strictly hourly wages? Do they pay commissions for selling add-ons like AppleCare?
Compared to other retail employees, Apple retail employees are amongst the highest paid (if not the highest paid) retail employees.
 
Well, there goes customer service.

"Hi, can you help me?"
"Sorry, I'm on break."
Curse those employees for getting breaks! They probably also won't have to clock out and then wait for a bag search before they can leave for the day. Isn't that annoying??
 
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I don’t see how a Union will benefit Apple store employees
Working conditions , benefits and pay all good. So what is a union going to give the employees that they don’t have
 
I worked for the FDIC in the early 90s which was mainly college educated white collar workers with at least bachelor’s degrees in finance, accounting, economics, etc. The Atlanta Region where my field office was part of didn’t have a union but the offices in the Chicago Region and other regions in the northeast did have unions.
Teachers are white collar, technically. But the VAST majority - by the numbers - of union members are in manufacturing plants, on construction sites, electric line repair, grocery, etc.

That’s what unions were designed to do - protect workers.

Not “squeeze Apple and Amazon”.
 
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When unions get in to businesses, the companies no longer run the show, the unions do.
It tips the balance slightly back in favor of workers within select non-management roles. It doesn't end corporate sovereignty over decision-making.

It's telling that the arguments in opposition to this are all exaggerated hyperbole.
 
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I have never understood why you would want to talk people out of unionizing. People are till free to work without being a union member. And people wouldn’t unionize unless they had benefits from it
I’m neutral on unions. I think a person has a right to do what is in their individual best interest. So I leave it up to the individual to choose. But some states require you to join the union if there is one even if you don’t want to.
 
It tips the balance slightly back in favor of workers within select non-management roles. It doesn't end corporate sovereignty over decision-making.

It's telling that the arguments in opposition to this are all exaggerated hyperbole.

You believe what you like and I'll believe what I want.

I hope that store gets shut down ASAP.
 
So first it was 'damn, those union employees will be taking breaks now.' Now it's that they're thieves. Solid analysis; thank you for nothing.
Why don’t you do an analysis of “shrink” in retail. Or look at Apple’s margin pressure due to theft. Better yet - do it for Walmart, Target, Dick’s, Kroger, and others with much lower profit per sq ft than Apple.

Or better yet, search for Dekalb County GA case 19CR1872.
Instead of attacking me with hyperbole, I have facts.
 
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I'm sorry to those of you who feel that this action has personally caused you harm but I assure you it hasn't. The rote anti-union comments are too boring for me to engage with further, and the stated desire that people lose their jobs over this is too disheartening.

Congrats to many of you on your contribution to the gigantic negative feedback loop that the internet has become.
 
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