Every Apple Store employee in every store across the world is paying close attention to this. After seeing the results of this, what if they all decide to unionize? Is Apple going to close down all the stores in order to break the unionization effort. No way. The retail store is an important part of the "Apple Experience" plus it would be seriously bad PR especially when you have MS, who have gone on record in the media, fully supporting employees that want to join unions.
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Apple Store in Maryland Makes History by Voting to Unionize
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You mean it's precisely why shareholders don't like unions
Why, because people that you see as lesser beings want to do something for themselves?
That is wrong. The push to move America's manufacturing base overseas was driven by Wall Street. It's the largest shareholders of public companies that were (and still are) greedy.
Let's not rush to that lowest common denominator too quickly!
Only one person in the entire world can complain, as—save for that one person—there is always someone who has it worse.
Workers having more power with employers so they're not treated as worthless cogs? I'm all for it.
At what point did I berate anyone? Don't put words in my mouth!!
I believe unions are bad for business and bad for America. Plain and simple.
Exactly.
The requirement from Wall Street that companies have to constantly show growth is the real culprit. Need to make that quarterly report look better next year? Hmmmmm...what's an easy way to cut 80% of labor costs? I wonder...
More stores everywhere in every company to follow. Americans are finally getting fed up with corporate abuse.
What causes you to "believe" this? Not picking a debate, just wondering what's the meat—the substance—of your rationale?
Anyone can say "x is bad. Plain and simple."
It's an extremely broad position, sure, but with zero cogent point(s)—the position is hollow. Since you said you "believe" they're bad, like this is a faith-based argument...what data informs your position, if any?
Glad.
This is a response (with other interests behind, off course) to the abuse of big companies. Trillion dolar company can’t afford to hire workers as staff, give good benefits, etc. Now face this chain reaction. It is your own fault Apple for being so greedy. Hope the rest of industries pay attention.
This is a response (with other interests behind, off course) to the abuse of big companies. Trillion dolar company can’t afford to hire workers as staff, give good benefits, etc. Now face this chain reaction. It is your own fault Apple for being so greedy. Hope the rest of industries pay attention.
The top 10 airlines in the world according to https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/29/qatar-airways-delta-air-lines-top-worlds-best-airline-rankings.html are (* = unionized flight attendants):
1) Qatar Airways
2) Singapore Airlines*
3) ANA All Nippon Airways*
4) Emirates
5) Japan Airlines*
6) Cathay Pacific Airways*
7) EVA Air*
8) Qantas Airways*
9) Hainan Airlines
10) Air France*
7 out of 10 of them are unionized.
The best in North America are:
1) Delta Air Lines
2) JetBlue Airways*
3) Air Canada*
4) Southwest Airlines*
5) WestJet*
6) Air Transat*
7) United Airlines*
8) Alaska Airlines*
9) Hawaiian Airlines*
10) American Airlines*
9 out of 10 of them are unionized.
I've only flown on Singapore, Cathay, Qantas, Delta, Southwest, United, and American and I haven't had a bad experience with any of them. Of course, this was pre-pandemic and before travelers started throwing hissy fits over stupid things so maybe things are a lot worse now? 🤷♂️
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Look at what unions did to the American auto industry.
Look at what unions did to manufacturing in America.
Right now, the longshoreman in the west coast are talking about striking to hold America hostage in light of all the supply chain issues driving up inflation and devastating low and middle class Americans.
Yes, there was a time when unions played an important role in protecting workers against abusive employers, but that was a long time ago. Nowadays, there are enough laws in place to protect workers.
Don't give unions what they want? Things like this will happen...
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They don't give a damn about anyone besides their union.
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Oh hey, everyone, I just heard a dogwhistle! Care to explain your comment, or should we just take it at face value that you’re basing this on the racial demographics and reputation of Baltimore City?
(By the way, not that it matters, but Towson Town Center, where the Apple Store is located, is in Towson in Baltimore County, not in Baltimore City.)
If you want a store closed due to unionization, then you are against the right of employees to pool their strength together to put themselves on a more equal footing with the corporation that employs them. To me, that is looking down on said employees.
Furthermore, the only reasons why unions would be bad for business is because they force businesses to do things for their employees that they should have already been doing.
Ultimately, we live in an economic system that weighs things heavily toward corporations, and unions are the only way for individuals to counteract that.
Let’s say the store is a losing proposition (ie bleeding money) for whatever reason. Apple would be well within rights to close the store.
The employees were at the theatre that unionized were young and stupid. They thought they were going to be rich and in charge by joining. As soon as the signed they got split amongst the other theatres and wreaked havoc like spoiled brats. It got to the point where the filed a grievance because the ceiling in the projection booth was too low and "unsafe"....in a concrete high rise that was was there since 1970. That once unionised theatre took down the whole union in less than a year.
If I owned a business and my employees tried to unionize, I would view that as an act of aggression. I would rather shut down my business than give in to unions.
If these employees were unhappy with what they were offered, why did they take the job in the first place? Right now, there's a labor shortage and everyone's hiring, they can easily leave and go find themselves jobs with higher pay and better benefits.
Right or wrong, employees joined unions because they wanted better treatment and benefits from their employers.
The corporations closed U.S. factories and shipped jobs overseas to take advantage of the much cheaper labor (and lax environmental and employee protection policies) which allowed them to grow their profits and pay the executives fat salaries and ever increasing bonuses which continue to this very day. Actually, the pay discrepancy has gotten worse over time.
When employees see this, how do you think they feel?
In 2020, top CEOs earned 351 times more than the typical worker
Since 1978, CEO compensation has grown 1,322%, but typical worker compensation has risen 18%.
The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that CEO compensation has grown 1,322% since 1978, while typical worker compensation has risen just 18%. In 2020, CEOs of the top 350 firms in the U.S. made $24.2 million, on average — 351 times more than a typical worker.
“It used to be that in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, CEOs made 3.3 times what a top 0.1% earner made. Now, it’s more than six times,” says Mishel. “CEOs now are making 351 times that of a typical worker, but back in 1978, it was only 31 times. In 1989, it was 61 times.”
Oh, yeah, that’s certain to happen.
Towson Town Center is one of the most well-traveled and most upscale malls in Maryland; in fact, it is the only upscale indoor shopping mall in that part of the state (there are a couple of outdoor shopping malls, such as The Avenue at White Marsh). Unlike a lot of indoor shopping malls, Towson Town Center appears to be thriving, maintaining high levels of foot traffic and sales—and seemed to do so even throughout a good portion of the pandemic. The Apple retail location in the mall is in a fantastic location and is constantly packed.
The notion that, just because the workers unionized, this Apple Store is going to somehow turn into a money pit is utterly ridiculous.
Right or wrong, employees joined unions because they wanted better treatment and benefits from their employers.
The corporations closed U.S. factories and shipped jobs overseas to take advantage of the much cheaper labor which allowed them to grow their profits and pay the executives fat salaries and ever increasing bonuses which continue to this very day. Actually, the pay discrepancy has gotten worse over time.
When employees see this, how do you think they feel?
In 2020, top CEOs earned 351 times more than the typical worker
Since 1978, CEO compensation has grown 1,322%, but typical worker compensation has risen 18%.www.cnbc.com
The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that CEO compensation has grown 1,322% since 1978, while typical worker compensation has risen just 18%. In 2020, CEOs of the top 350 firms in the U.S. made $24.2 million, on average — 351 times more than a typical worker.
“It used to be that in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, CEOs made 3.3 times what a top 0.1% earner made. Now, it’s more than six times,” says Mishel. “CEOs now are making 351 times that of a typical worker, but back in 1978, it was only 31 times. In 1989, it was 61 times.”
If they want CEO pay, go become a CEOs.
Why would anyone give a guy who's flipping burgers CEO pay?
Working for you would be such a dream job, given your hostile attitude towards workers; I can’t imagine why anyone would want to unionize in this hypothetical …
Um … yeah … that’s totally the point sw1tcher is making …
Working for you would be such a dream job, given your hostile attitude towards workers; I can’t imagine why anyone would want to unionize in this hypothetical …
Um … yeah … that’s totally the point sw1tcher is making …
What's with the personal attack?
Am I not allowed to have my own opinions?
Wow the anti-union rhetoric is surprisingly disappointing.
I don't understand what the working class has done to get so many of you to hate them. Working class people are the ones that keep this country running.
They keep the lights on at the power plants. They ensure food (and other goods) is transported from one coast to the other. They keep the sewage plants running. They keep critical infrastructure like internet running. They facilitate everyday commerce.
But heaven forbid they want to even the playing field with collective bargaining. It's a shame how many of you don't even know your own nation's history.
Do you even know we got national holidays? Or the 40-hour work week? Or maternal (now parental) leave? You think those of us in salaried positions were just given these perks because we're special or something?
Please go and find an education... You sorely need it.
I don't understand what the working class has done to get so many of you to hate them. Working class people are the ones that keep this country running.
They keep the lights on at the power plants. They ensure food (and other goods) is transported from one coast to the other. They keep the sewage plants running. They keep critical infrastructure like internet running. They facilitate everyday commerce.
But heaven forbid they want to even the playing field with collective bargaining. It's a shame how many of you don't even know your own nation's history.
Do you even know we got national holidays? Or the 40-hour work week? Or maternal (now parental) leave? You think those of us in salaried positions were just given these perks because we're special or something?
Please go and find an education... You sorely need it.
How were you attacked? If they'd made specific allegations (true or otherwise) of unseemly conduct on your part toward employees, that'd certainly be an attack. However, as far as I've been able to tell from reading this thread, everything you've said so far about how you, as a business owner, would respond to your employees organizing is hypothetical because you don't actually own a business.
Given that, why get bent out of shape? What they said is no less hypothetical than anything you've said.
All I did was point out how hostile your posts are towards working-class individuals. That’s not a personal attack; it’s a statement of fact based on the evidence at hand (your posts throughout this thread). And yes, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. That in no way shields you from other people’s opinions about you based on how you present yourself. Cheers.