Apple Stores Pulling Non-Universal Binaries?

[destroyboredom]

Further, sources have learned that Apple is currently planning to pull all software from store shelves in July that isn't available in Universal Binary format.

No need to get your panties in a bunch. It's not happening until July!!

 

[yac_moda]

What this REALLY indicates is that the transition is likely to be complete by JUNE 😱 😱 😱

I think by indications of ALL of the news currently coming out is that APPLE has canceled an intro that would have been in France. Based on previous intros it would MacBooks or MBPs in new cases.

This does NOT mean NO INTRO it will just be moved, because the negative iTunes legislation makes France HOSTILE territory for APPLE -- Apple is SUCH a CONSERVATIVE company !!!

Then the MacCubes (New Desktop MACchines) in June, AND ITS ALL DONE 😱

 

[MarcelV]

You don't need two shelves because the bianaries makes the software work on PPC !!! That is why its called universal, now if all you care about is raw speed only on PPC, then make two shelves and buy the PPC software while you still can 😱
The bottom line is, if you are not a developer don't worry about it !

Straight from Apple's page 'Looking for a specific Universal application?' View all 1,273 Universal Applications…
Last years WWDC (or year before, I am start losing the count, getting older), 'OS/X is most successful Apple OS in history. More than 10,000 software titels are now available for OS/X'. So, yes, I 'worry' because Apple is limiting my choice for only one reason and one reason only. To make me buy an Intel machine. They do that by limiting software availability in the Apple stores. And I really don't need one, I have a perfectly fine working Powerbook and still buy software for that thing when I like (at the Apple store). But now, Apple is limiting my choice? So, I will find another store to buy the titels. And Apple is losing out twice. No income on software and not buying a new powerbook.

And no, there is no way they will get all applications converted by the software vendors before July.....

 

[milo]

But the inconvience I was talking about is all the other software that will be missing from the store.

Like Maya, most all of the existing games, VectorWorks, etc. etc. I can't even list them all but there are many more titles that are PPC only than are Universal Binary.

Have you been in an apple store? They are pretty tiny, with not a lot of shelf space for software. They already have to limit the selection. Do they even stock things like Maya and VectorWorks now? Going UB doesn't mean they'll have less software, it will just change the mix somewhat.

And if you're really concerned about disk space, there are apps that strip out the intel code. Turns out to be a small difference in space.

Potential Switcher: I'm kind of new to this Mac thing. I need a machine that can run Microsoft Office. Do you sell Microsoft Office?
Hapless Apple Store employee: No.
Potential Switcher: Oh, ok. I'll just get a Dell. *walks to Best Buy*

READ THE ARTICLE. They are NOT pulling Office.

Therefore if you are a PPC user and you want to have a wide selection of software available in one place you obviously can't go to an Apple store because they will only have a very small selection of software after July.

If you want a wide selection of software, don't go to the apple store. The stores are tiny and don't have a ton of space devoted to software. Even with only UB software they'll have no problem overflowing the shelves. As someone pointed out, there are over 1200 universal apps already.

i think it is a bad idea to stop carrying PPC software.

Good thing apple isn't stopping carrying PPC software. And someone said that mac users aren't dumb when it comes to understanding what UB means. Posts like this demonstrate that Apple probably is doing the smart thing in this case.

 

[yac_moda]

Straight from Apple's page 'Looking for a specific Universal application?' View all 1,273 Universal Applications…
Last years WWDC (or year before, I am start losing the count, getting older), 'OS/X is most successful Apple OS in history. More than 10,000 software titels are now available for OS/X'. So, yes, I 'worry' because Apple is limiting my choice for only one reason and one reason only. To make me buy an Intel machine. They do that by limiting software availability in the Apple stores. And I really don't need one, I have a perfectly fine working Powerbook and still buy software for that thing when I like (at the Apple store). But now, Apple is limiting my choice? So, I will find another store to buy the titels. And Apple is losing out twice. No income on software and not buying a new powerbook.

And no, there is no way they will get all applications converted by the software vendors before July.....

PLEASE EXPLAIN you are NOT MAKING ANY SENSE.

"So, yes, I 'worry' because Apple is limiting my choice for only one reason and one reason only."

They have NOT limited your CHOICE -- EVERYTHING THEY SELL STILL RUNS ON PPC !

AND it was not long ago Apple had no stores at all.

I think you are just a PC owner who is trying to find an issue with Apple that will stick -- RUBBER BISKET 😱

 

[digitalbiker]

Straight from Apple's page 'Looking for a specific Universal application?' View all 1,273 Universal Applications…
Last years WWDC (or year before, I am start losing the count, getting older), 'OS/X is most successful Apple OS in history. More than 10,000 software titels are now available for OS/X'. So, yes, I 'worry' because Apple is limiting my choice for only one reason and one reason only. To make me buy an Intel machine. They do that by limiting software availability in the Apple stores. And I really don't need one, I have a perfectly fine working Powerbook and still buy software for that thing when I like (at the Apple store). But now, Apple is limiting my choice? So, I will find another store to buy the titels. And Apple is losing out twice. No income on software and not buying a new powerbook.

And no, there is no way they will get all applications converted by the software vendors before July.....

Yeah and if you examine the 1,273 UB titles available most are shareware and small homemade utility apps. I am not trying to knock the freeware, shareware, or public domain software by any means but very few of these titles are from large mainstream software vendors.

 

[yac_moda]

QUESTION:

WHAT CODE HAS RUN natively ON PPC.

ANSWER:

68040, Intel, PPC.


PPC supported at one time or another ALL of these instruction sets, now granted Intel code ran very SLOWLY and worked better when it had a software translation layer to optimize the code -- SoftPC and Virtual PC 😱 😱 😱


AND when IBM began to produce PPC they experimented with a dual core PPC that would switch between Intel and PPC RISC execution but it never shipped -- this is another story.

 

[bretm]

Apple ought to pull all Adobe products NOW. And make it impossilbe to run the old crap on intel macs
Then Adobe will have to stop piddling around

????? Are you nuts? Adobe and MS have Apple over a barrell. MS has a contract to keep making software for the next five years, but as far as I know, Adobe could quit any day they feel like. And I'm sure they've considered it. They've pulled 2 or 3 apps from the Apple line. Thier DVD software is Win only, Premiere is Win only, Elements is Win only, etc.

If Apple ticks them off by making a photoshop killer, Adobe could yank photoshop and that would essentially be the end of Apple. Real close. So many apple users are dedicated artists and casual users of photoshop. Now Adobe also has control over the web design biz as well. They could yank Dreamweaver from Apple. Personally, I make my livelyhood from those 2 apps and I'd be forced to transition over to Windows.

If Adobe and MS want to take their time, Apple has to let them.

 

[matticus008]

Have you been in an apple store? They are pretty tiny, with not a lot of shelf space for software. They already have to limit the selection. Do they even stock things like Maya and VectorWorks now? Going UB doesn't mean they'll have less software, it will just change the mix somewhat.

And if you're really concerned about disk space, there are apps that strip out the intel code. Turns out to be a small difference in space.



READ THE ARTICLE. They are NOT pulling Office.



If you want a wide selection of software, don't go to the apple store. The stores are tiny and don't have a ton of space devoted to software. Even with only UB software they'll have no problem overflowing the shelves. As someone pointed out, there are over 1200 universal apps already.



Good thing apple isn't stopping carrying PPC software. And someone said that mac users aren't dumb when it comes to understanding what UB means. Posts like this demonstrate that Apple probably is doing the smart thing in this case.

Exactly. People need to calm down. The Apple Stores were never the best place to buy software. Apple's not recalling and destroying all current PPC native software. And the Universal apps on the shelf WILL STILL WORK WITH YOUR POWERPC MAC. This decision is really of trivial importance. It doesn't spell the end of support for PowerPC Macs. Really.

 

[digitalbiker]

PLEASE EXPLAIN you are NOT MAKING ANY SENSE.

He makes sense. He is just being a little extreme in his conclusion.

He is saying that there are over 10,000 software titles that are available for the PPC Mac running OS X.

However, Apple's own number for UB apps is roughly 1,273. Therefore Apple is saying that only 10% of all apps are Universal binary.

So when Apple made the decission to remove all non UB apps from their shelves after July. Then Apple will be removing 90% of the software from their store.

Obviously these are exagerated numbers, because by July more apps will be UB and Apple doesn't offer all available apps at their store in the first place.

Also he could buy the non UB apps somewhere else but that isn't the point. The point is that Apple stores will be reducing their software offerrings fairly significantly after July if all they offer are UB apps.

 

[bretm]

What this REALLY indicates is that the transition is likely to be complete by JUNE 😱 😱 😱

I think by indications of ALL of the news currently coming out is that APPLE has canceled an intro that would have been in France. Based on previous intros it would MacBooks or MBPs in new cases.

This does NOT mean NO INTRO it will just be moved, because the negative iTunes legislation makes France HOSTILE territory for APPLE -- Apple is SUCH a CONSERVATIVE company !!!

Then the MacCubes (New Desktop MACchines) in June, AND ITS ALL DONE 😱

It only indicates that Apple's apps will be Universal by June. That's it. Most of the big time apps will be universal by then as well. They don't sell all that many apps in the stores anyway. We're talking adobe, macromedia, microsoft, and of course the apple stuff. They're just trying to get some of the stuff (probably like suitcase) that is minor apps to get their butt in gear or they won't carry it because it's going to make their computers seem slow.

EVERY app they sell will work on PPC and Intel.

 

[yac_moda]

http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/archive/2006/03/21/8212.aspx

"Desktops maven Joel Santo Domingo (at right in the picture above) ran some benchmarks on the three machines, and came up with surprising results. The MacBook Pro is the fastest Core Duo laptop we've tested running the Photoshop scripts. It's faster than other laptops originally designed for Windows. This bodes very well for the performance of an Intel-accelerated OS X Photoshop, when that finally appears."
😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😀 😉




"The two Mac desktops outran even blazing-fast single core systems, which typically do the Windows Media Encoder test in 10-13 minutes. We haven't tested any other Intel Core Duo desktops, but the iMac competes well against a Polywell machine with a dual-core Athlon 64 X2 3800+, while the Mini and MacBook Pro are held back a little by their slower laptop hard drives. Predictably, all the Macs blow away the Shuttle XPC M1000, which has the previous generation single-core Pentium M processor. That system scored 16 minutes on Windows Media Encoder, and took 2:52 to complete the Photoshop script.

In other words, Apple makes fast Windows PCs."


ALL THE FEARS AND COMPLAINTS HERE ARE OBVIOUSLY IRRELEVANT !!!

 

[milo]

So when Apple made the decission to remove all non UB apps from their shelves after July. Then Apple will be removing 90% of the software from their store.

Obviously these are exagerated numbers, because by July more apps will be UB and Apple doesn't offer all available apps at their store in the first place.

Also he could buy the non UB apps somewhere else but that isn't the point. The point is that Apple stores will be reducing their software offerrings fairly significantly after July if all they offer are UB apps.

We're only 2 months into the transition. Beginning of July is 3 1/2 months away. There will be a LOT more by then.

And considering how small the stores are, they will be just changing the mix of titles. There are probably already more UB titles available than they have room for on their shelves. Go look at an Apple store, I'd be surprised if they have 100 titles on the shelves.

 

[ZildjianKX]

Someone asked on the first page about any remaining PPC only Apple apps:

Apple Remote Desktop... wonder when they are going to update that.

 

[jjs1138]

To me this looks like Apple is really just wanting to stock only software that will run at 100% performance for 100% of their customers. 100% is good right? I really doubt Apple's intentions are (as some have suggested) to penalize PPC owners in anyway. I do, however, suspect they are wanting to great a sense of urgency for software developers to get UBs ready more quickly.
And I too (as others) see this as a possible indication that Apple plans on having fully transitioned to all Intel machines by July. 🙂

 

[yac_moda]

????? Are you nuts? Adobe and MS have Apple over a barrell. MS has a contract to keep making software for the next five years, but as far as I know, Adobe could quit any day they feel like. And I'm sure they've considered it. They've pulled 2 or 3 apps from the Apple line. Thier DVD software is Win only, Premiere is Win only, Elements is Win only, etc.

If Apple ticks them off by making a photoshop killer, Adobe could yank photoshop and that would essentially be the end of Apple. Real close. So many apple users are dedicated artists and casual users of photoshop. Now Adobe also has control over the web design biz as well. They could yank Dreamweaver from Apple. Personally, I make my livelyhood from those 2 apps and I'd be forced to transition over to Windows.

If Adobe and MS want to take their time, Apple has to let them.

The BEST thing Apple could do is build a Photoshop KILLER then everyone would find out how badly PS SUCKs.

IT ONLY SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF COMPETITION 😱


Who needs Dreamweaver !?!?!?! HTML is easy !!! Now Flash could be an issue but its not very different from Quicktime which could replace it with a revamp.

Although such anticompetitive behavior from Adobe is NOT likely in a market with so little competition and just begging to be look at more closely by the feds with recent mergers.

 

[digitalbiker]

We're only 2 months into the transition. Beginning of July is 3 1/2 months away. There will be a LOT more by then.

And considering how small the stores are, they will be just changing the mix of titles. There are probably already more UB titles available than they have room for on their shelves. Go look at an Apple store, I'd be surprised if they have 100 titles on the shelves.

I agree with you there. I was just explaining the position of another poster.

I guess my main question is Does this affect Apple's online store?

Personally I could care less about the physical Apple stores because the nearest one is 500 miles away. But I do buy software titles through the online store and I would hope that Apple will carry PPC only apps through the online store.

 

[digitalbiker]

The BEST thing Apple could do is build a Photoshop KILLER then everyone would find out how badly PS SUCKs.

IT ONLY SUCKS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF COMPETITION 😱


Who needs Dreamweaver !?!?!?! HTML is easy !!! Now Flash could be an issue but its not very different from Quicktime which could replace it with a revamp.

Although such anticompetitive behavior from Adobe is NOT likely in a market with so little competition and just begging to be look at more closely by the feds with recent mergers.

Apple couldn't do it! Photoshop was developed over years and years of listening to many excellent professional graphics artists. It may not be perfect but it is very, very, good.

Apple could try to copy photoshop but with the established base of photoshop companies and users, I doubt it would make any inroads.

The only possible market for Apple is the one they are good at and are pursuing right now. That is the amateur or general consumer market. Simple, easy, elegant, and useful.

 

[yac_moda]

It only indicates that Apple's apps will be Universal by June. That's it. Most of the big time apps will be universal by then as well. They don't sell all that many apps in the stores anyway. We're talking adobe, macromedia, microsoft, and of course the apple stuff. They're just trying to get some of the stuff (probably like suitcase) that is minor apps to get their butt in gear or they won't carry it because it's going to make their computers seem slow.

EVERY app they sell will work on PPC and Intel.

"EVERY app they sell will work on PPC and Intel."

SO TRUE 😱


No it indicates that the transition is almost completed so more hardware SOON !!!

 

[milo]

The only possible market for Apple is the one they are good at and are pursuing right now. That is the amateur or general consumer market. Simple, easy, elegant, and useful.

You don't think pro users running things like Final Cut Studio and Logic are successful markets for Apple? Those apps are pretty top notch and compare well to the competition on any platform.

 

[yac_moda]

Apple couldn't do it! Photoshop was developed over years and years of listening to many excellent professional graphics artists. It may not be perfect but it is very, very, good.

NO WAY !!! It SUCKS !! That's what happens when you lock in customers and can't change anything because you fear it will insult previous customers. Old employees also LOVE to spead the "don't insult the customer" fear because they think it protects their jobs. I used to work with these people I KNOW !!!

Apple could try to copy photoshop but with the established base of photoshop companies and users, I doubt it would make any inroads.

They wouldn't try to copy, THEY WOULD TRY TO EXCEED EASY OF USE.

The only possible market for Apple is the one they are good at and are pursuing right now. That is the amateur or general consumer market. Simple, easy, elegant, and useful.

APPLE beats your theory BADLY !!!

APPLE's market is ALL PC USERs 😱

http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/archive/2006/03/21/8212.aspx
"The two Mac desktops outran even blazing-fast single core systems, which typically do the Windows Media Encoder test in 10-13 minutes. We haven't tested any other Intel Core Duo desktops, but the iMac competes well against a Polywell machine with a dual-core Athlon 64 X2 3800+, while the Mini and MacBook Pro are held back a little by their slower laptop hard drives. Predictably, all the Macs blow away the Shuttle XPC M1000, which has the previous generation single-core Pentium M processor. That system scored 16 minutes on Windows Media Encoder, and took 2:52 to complete the Photoshop script.

In other words, Apple makes fast Windows PCs."

 

[matticus008]

He makes sense. He is just being a little extreme in his conclusion.

He is saying that there are over 10,000 software titles that are available for the PPC Mac running OS X.

However, Apple's own number for UB apps is roughly 1,273. Therefore Apple is saying that only 10% of all apps are Universal binary.

So when Apple made the decission to remove all non UB apps from their shelves after July. Then Apple will be removing 90% of the software from their store.

You're being a little extreme yourself. Apple will not be removing 90% of their software. Apple Stores carry a few dozen titles right now--nowhere NEAR even "1273" which is a substantially out-of-date number, let alone 10,000 titles. In July, Apple Stores will continue to carry a few dozen titles. The only difference is that customers won't have to do anything more than pick a box off the shelf. They're simply guaranteeing that all the software they'll be selling in the store itself will work NATIVELY on ALL of their hardware. That's it.

 

[digitalbiker]

You don't think pro users running things like Final Cut Studio and Logic are successful markets for Apple? Those apps are pretty top notch and compare well to the competition on any platform.

Don't get me wrong Apple has made great products in Final Cut Studio and Logic and they are successful.

But in the case of FCS Apple developed the software as the market grew and gave the pro users what they wanted. Apple was there from the beginning with a product.

I may be wrong with Logic but wasn't Logic an acquisition of an already established pro software line. Apple did a good job of keeping the Logic market and continued to develop for this established market.

However in the case of Photoshop, this is a very mature market. One in which Photoshop won the battles. So many businesses and professionals have adopted and grown up with Photoshop as the standard now that it would be hard for Apple to compete with a new immature product.

Apple would be better served buying Photoshop and keeping their dominant market share, rather than trying to compete against them.

 

[yac_moda]

However in the case of Photoshop, this is a very mature market. One in which Photoshop won the battles. So many businesses and professionals have adopted and grown up with Photoshop as the standard now that it would be hard for Apple to compete with a new immature product.

Apple would be better served buying Photoshop and keeping their dominant market share, rather than trying to compete against them.

Hmmm !!! If Apple followed this logic they would not have ANY software products right now.


It is true though that they did not build Apple branded Office software until AFTER the market was THOROUGHLY MATURE 😱 😱 😱

 

[digitalbiker]

NO WAY !!! It SUCKS !!

Oh I see now.

I guess thousands and thousands of professional graphics artists worldwide typically shell out millions of dollars each year for Adobe products because "THEY SUCK".

Get real, get educated on the use of these products, and you will see how truly wonderful they can be in the hands of professionals.

Adobe CS2 is not really intended for the casual photo user.