Apple Stores to Drop Mask Requirement for Vaccinated Customers This Week

[Analog Kid]

I just got the new direct-cortical plugin from Amazon. It's GREAT!

Now I see why they say to never install beta code on your production machine.

 

[Silverstring]

Severe covid patients are also overweight and will probably develop diabetes anyways.

Pack it up, researchers. Open and shut case. Thanks for your benevolence in sharing your iron-clad dataset with the rest of us, Doctor.

Also, people out there who might be struggling with your health: since you might develop diabetes one day, we’re more than happy to give you that premature push into death you didn’t need because some of us didn’t want to be in inconvenienced.

Any extra time—potentially years—your family could’ve/would’ve enjoyed with you around—tough.

Should’ve thought of that earlier, sorry not sorry.

The level of callousness so many people are willing to show to their fellow human beings in favor of pure ideological abstraction isn’t surprising to me, but it sure is sad and disappointing.

I only say that, of course, to join the ranks of other great “virtue signalers” of our time, like Jonas Salk, Mother Teresa, and Jesus Christ (PR hawks, all).

I know it’s hard for anyone who throws around the term “virtue signaling” (no one cares more about “virtue signaling” than those who lobby that accusation at others) to even conceive of thinking and/or acting in ways not motivated by pure self interest…but some of us do genuinely care about our fellow humans, even if we don’t know them.

 

[4jasontv]

These are my favorite threads. No, really!

Everybody is passionately arguing about biology even though they didn't pay any attention in high school biology class, and which didn't teach them anything useful anyway, because it was a government school and the science teacher was a moonlighting liberal arts degree holder. Should have taken science from the janitor/maintenance guy, because at least he had a functional and working knowledge of some things like how the food in the cafeteria kitchen will rot if the coolers get too warm, or why salt will melt ice on the sidewalks when the sun comes out.

But to make up for our woeful lack of knowledge, we listen to the media mockingbirds such as the New York Times and CNN, who don't even know that ice comes from water. We silly humans are really hilarious, and it's amazing that any of us learned how to put on pants and tie our shoes without the Times telling us we're all gonna die if we go barefoot!

And then there's the village idiot (also known as the CDC, or Dr. Fauci if you want to put a face to it) telling us what we can and can't do and then changing their minds with more political reasons than scientific ones. And it's all delivered with an appropriate doom-and-gloom tone of voice by the aforementioned head-waggers at the Times and CNN, or from their friends at ABC, NBC, CBS, CSPAN, or Fox.

And everybody here, crawling all over each other's @sses like beetles in a 2-liter bottle trap because even the people who do agree, really don't agree about some spurious detail or another. Those beetles always end up dying in the hot sun, people! 😈

Quit, don't quit. Noodles, don't noodles. Mask, don't mask. Opinions are like noses and anuses. Everybody has one of each! But in the end (pun intended), it's all just irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

It's simple, and we learned everything we should do when we were in Kindergarten. Or, if we had good parents, we learned them at home before our first day of Kindergarten. And that is this: We could all get along better if we would smile and say hello to each other, share our toys and cookies, stop peeing on the toilet seat that the next person has to use, clean it when we do anyway, flush when we're done, and wash our damned hands before leaving the restroom.

Oh, and remember, your 80% friend is not your 20% enemy. Likewise, your 20% friend is not your 80% enemy; that's an 80%-possible-future-friend. Well, unless he leaves the restroom without washing his damned hands; then I say "let the battle begin!" 😁

But really, in threads like these, we certainly have the habit of dropping all filters and just flinging poop at each other. Tell me again how we actually found ourselves at the top of the food chain?

Might be because the details are important. They have the power to protect or control others.

 

[cosmichobo]

If people are vaccinated, why should they need to wear masks? How does that make it less of a "safe environment?" If you "follow the SCIENCE" like so many people preach, then it becomes pretty obvious that wearing a mask after being vaccinated is like wearing water wings in the rain: there's no point.

News Break!

A vaccination does NOT stop you from catching the thing that it's vaccinated you against.

You can and will STILL contract the virus/disease if exposed to it.

IE - You can still become infected with COVID19, even AFTER you have been vaccinated. Just like you can still get chicken pox, and every other thing that we use vaccinations for.

What a vaccination does, however, is allow your immune system to quickly identify the virus, and kill it, compared to un-vaccinated people.

This way, firstly you are less likely to become seriously ill (whatever the virus/disease is), and secondly, you spend much less time being infectious, thus reducing the likelihood of exposing others.

That is how a vaccination program works.

I'm vaccinated against polio... but I still wouldn't go rubbing up against people who are infectious... This is very early days for vaccination against COVID19. New strains are emerging. Who is to say whether the vaccinations being used will protect properly against them all. Why expose yourself to that risk?

Wear a mask.

 

[Silverstring]

These are my favorite threads. No, really!

Everybody is passionately arguing about biology even though they didn't pay any attention in high school biology class, and which didn't teach them anything useful anyway, because it was a government school and the science teacher was a moonlighting liberal arts degree holder. Should have taken science from the janitor/maintenance guy, because at least he had a functional and working knowledge of some things like how the food in the cafeteria kitchen will rot if the coolers get too warm, or why salt will melt ice on the sidewalks when the sun comes out.

But to make up for our woeful lack of knowledge, we listen to the media mockingbirds such as the New York Times and CNN, who don't even know that ice comes from water. We silly humans are really hilarious, and it's amazing that any of us learned how to put on pants and tie our shoes without the Times telling us we're all gonna die if we go barefoot!

And then there's the village idiot (also known as the CDC, or Dr. Fauci if you want to put a face to it) telling us what we can and can't do and then changing their minds with more political reasons than scientific ones. And it's all delivered with an appropriate doom-and-gloom tone of voice by the aforementioned head-waggers at the Times and CNN, or from their friends at ABC, NBC, CBS, CSPAN, or Fox.

And everybody here, crawling all over each other's @sses like beetles in a 2-liter bottle trap because even the people who do agree, really don't agree about some spurious detail or another. Those beetles always end up dying in the hot sun, people! 😈

Quit, don't quit. Noodles, don't noodles. Mask, don't mask. Opinions are like noses and anuses. Everybody has one of each! But in the end (pun intended), it's all just irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

It's simple, and we learned everything we should do when we were in Kindergarten. Or, if we had good parents, we learned them at home before our first day of Kindergarten. And that is this: We could all get along better if we would smile and say hello to each other, share our toys and cookies, stop peeing on the toilet seat that the next person has to use, clean it when we do anyway, flush when we're done, and wash our damned hands before leaving the restroom.

Oh, and remember, your 80% friend is not your 20% enemy. Likewise, your 20% friend is not your 80% enemy; that's an 80%-possible-future-friend. Well, unless he leaves the restroom without washing his damned hands; then I say "let the battle begin!" 😁

But really, in threads like these, we certainly have the habit of dropping all filters and just flinging poop at each other. Tell me again how we actually found ourselves at the top of the food chain?

I don’t know about you, but I find it somewhat difficult to bring myself to smile and say hello to people who don’t give a **** whether I or others live or die, and/or won’t concede a nanometer of so-called “intrusion” into their lives regardless of the collective benefit—themselves included—it would represent to society.

Call that a harsh line to draw, but it’s there.

 

[steve09090]

If you’re vaccinated, you aren’t relying on the decisions of others. That’s the point. You’re vaccinated. You now have just a 5% or so chance of getting COVID, and an even smaller chance of being strongly affected by it.

it depends on which vaccination (I have AstraZeneca which is only 90% effective). Either way, you think those who are doing the right thing should have to succumb to those morons who lie so they can look at an iPhone in the store?

 

[planteater]

I don’t know about you, but I find it somewhat difficult to bring myself to smile and say hello to people who don’t give a **** whether I or others live or die, and/or won’t concede a nanometer of so-called “intrusion” into their lives regardless of the collective benefit—themselves included—it would represent to society.

Call that a harsh line to draw, but it’s there.

Over reaction. There are very few people in this world that have such harsh beliefs as you describe. However, many that have reached opposing conclusions to those that you have and voice them in strong terms.

Personally, I believe the vaccine is a good thing and very beneficial to many vulnerable people. It’s an individual risk/reward equation the each person needs to make. As someone with the antibodies, it is an unnecessary risk to me.

I respect all peoples choices, until they impact my ability to choose. I won’t tolerate that one bit.

 

[grantew1]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the two following stats:
- Death rate of vaccinated people who die from contracting Covid from someone else?
- Death rate of people who die in a car accident?

Alex, can I get false equivalence for 500 please?

 

[Silverstring]

Over reaction. There are very few people in this world that have such harsh beliefs as you describe. However, many that have reached opposing conclusions to those that you have and voice them in strong terms.

Personally, I believe the vaccine is a good thing and very beneficial to many vulnerable people. It’s an individual risk/reward equation the each person needs to make. As someone with the antibodies, it is an unnecessary risk to me.

I respect all peoples choices, until they impact my ability to choose. I won’t tolerate that one bit.

Although this thread is about COVID, I read/understood that particular post to be making a broader point about what I consider to be a pretty naive, reductive and Pollyannish view about bridging ideological differences, and I responded on that basis—not just the vaccine.

 

[kaycrystal626]

Sorry to say, but the honor system doesn't work well in the US. I see NYC Buses try to use the honor system, but many don't buy tickets when getting on the bus, and hardly anyone checks your ticket.

 

[Jensend]

Over reaction. There are very few people in this world that have such harsh beliefs as you describe. However, many that have reached opposing conclusions to those that you have and voice them in strong terms.

Personally, I believe the vaccine is a good thing and very beneficial to many vulnerable people. It’s an individual risk/reward equation the each person needs to make. As someone with the antibodies, it is an unnecessary risk to me.

I respect all peoples choices, until they impact my ability to choose. I won’t tolerate that one bit.

If 50% of a population is vaccinated against a disease, the vaccinated population will have
more death/symptoms than if 95% of the population were vaccinated.

At very high vaccination rates, getting a vaccine can be like the prisoner’s dilemma: if everyone acts selfishly, everyone will be worse off than if everyone acts altruistically.
If everyone else is vaccinated, you may be better off not being vaccinated so you don’t experience the side effects of vaccination (like a sore arm). But if everyone has that attitude, you and everyone else is more likely to die, because the disease will spread a lot more.

 

[Johnny907]

Nice to see one more aspect of my life returning to normal.

 

[russell_314]

Ah yes, so much for pro-business small-government conservatism. Republicans have turned into a gang of blind contrarians.

I know right. Demanding businesses not ask customers health data. What's next demanding businesses serve customers regardless of race? I'm no republican BTW. Both sides of that fence are rotten IMO. I just think there should be limits as to what a business is allowed to do.

 

[russell_314]

You missed the article that, yes ⅔ of COVID hospitalizations are over weight, but ⅓ are not. This is about destruction of insulin producing cells, not a set amount of insulin being spread over a larger volume.

To be fair most people in the USA are overweight 😂. This includes myself 🤷‍♂️

 

[Mr. Dee]

Vaccinated here, went to a party with over 50 people this weekend, no one wearing mask. Host required everyone to be vaccinated although he didn’t do any checks. It was just weird to be in each other’s face after a year. If you somehow get COVID, it’s because you likely didn’t get vaccinated. Everyone is responsible for their behaviors. But we can’t keep doing the mask thing for another year, it’s getting ridiculous especially for public transportation and supermarkets. I did my part, I shouldn’t be restricted for others ignorance considering the vaccine is available so much abundance.

 

[Realityck]

Guess we will find out if most of the rumor sites got this thread topic wrong soon. So many sites interpreted this information as USA wide apple store policy changes, rather then location specific. For example for Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County) the dashboard says 69.2 % completed both doses over the age 12. 78.9% had one dose. So for both Apple campus stores this is one of the most vaccinated places of the USA. The store shown in this threads article is the Palo Alto store, same county.

 

[steve09090]

Double vaccinations prevent 95% to 99% of you getting it, its still possible depending on your immune system. Usually if you do get it’s asymptomatic which means you can spread it to those with limited or no immunity. That cruise ship with one example even though they took preventive steps for passengers with tests.

Astrazeneca vaccine provides up to 90% after 2 doses. I don’t know any that provide 99%

 

[itickings]

But no restrictions there for the most part and no lockdown.

Lookie here, moving goalposts!

No lockdown, sure, that was the decision on how to deal with the pandemic in Sweden. Right or wrong is too soon to tell. Also been some complications regarding what can be done legally, don’t confuse effects of those complications with there not being a pandemic or Fauci being a criminal mastermind.

So, no lockdown. But restrictions? Oh yeah! Even now restaurants gotta kick everyone out and close before the late
UEFA EURO 2020 game is over. And that’s with recently lessened restrictions. Public gathering sizes still restricted. Other restrictions have been (and most still are) in place.

Source for current restrictions:

Covid-19: Detta gäller just nu

Aktuell information från myndigheterna om sjukdomen covid-19.

www.krisinformation.se

Where are you getting your flawed information?

 

[Scoob Redux]

This will work very well for liars that pretending to be vaccinated.

This is expected. The publically stated guidelines for "vaccinated people" are actually fine for all people - the CDC and other government agencies need to save face and don't want to outright say "pandemic is over, the risk is extremely low for all persons", so they use the very conservative "vaccinated persons" guidelines to not appear to be too lax, while knowing that all persons will now unmask. It's fine. Don't worry about the "liars" - of course the CDC doesn't expect everyone to be truthful, and that is factored into the guidelines.

Because store management wants to protect their employees, they know the status of employees, but using the honor system for shoppers, hey it’s the grand experiment of post-COVID store operations.

Cloth face coverings (i.e. non-N95 or N100) don't protect the wearer, they protect others FROM the wearer.

Also, it's not much of a "grand experiment", new cases are in RAPID decline and nothing will turn that around. We need to trust science and not ignore it just because it now says the risk is mostly over. Many who rallied behind mask wearing and social distancing as "following the science" now seem unreasonably resistant to reopening now that pandemic is over. As always...follow the science.

 

[sdz]

Happy Shopping Debt slaves 🤣

 

[Realityck]

Astrazeneca vaccine provides up to 90% after 2 doses. I don’t know any that provide 99%

The results from different countries show some skewing. Back in Feb you had a articles that compared the first three approved in the states. Below shows how different countries clinical trials varied.

The J&J one-dose vaccine was shown to be 66% protective against moderate to severe Covid infections overall from 28 days after injection, though there was variability based on geographic locations. The vaccine was 72% protective in the United States, 66% protective in South America, and 57% protective in South Africa.

But the vaccine was shown to be 85% protective against severe disease, with no differences across the eight countries or three regions in the study, nor across age groups among trial participants. And there were no hospitalizations or deaths in the vaccine arm of the trial after the 28-day period in which immunity developed.

The Pfizer vaccine showed efficacy of 95% at preventing symptomatic Covid infection after two doses.
The Moderna vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing symptomatic Covid-19 after the second dose.

All four are very effective in the prevention severe disease, hospitalisation and death. But all could still have some people develop symptomatic cases where you are contagious to others.

 

[Tavicu]

Where is the logic in that? As a vaccinated person you can still carry and spread the virus!

 

[cardfan]

Regardless it’s good to see the covid nutjobs go away. Look forward to going on a few cruises in July.

 

[bLackjackj]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the two following stats:
- Death rate of vaccinated people who die from contracting Covid from someone else?
- Death rate of people who die in a car accident?

🤷‍♂️ is it less painful to be shot or stabbed? To everyone else,..unfortunately you can't fix stupid. 🙄

 

[Scoob Redux]

Where is the logic in that? As a vaccinated person you can still carry and spread the virus!

Yes, and you might get polio, measles, flu or just the common cold, too. Diseases and sickness are part of life as a human. Pandemic has somehow evoked an attitude among many that we should somehow accept nothing less than zero risk of getting sick. That was never the case before 2020. Humanity seemed perfectly fine with the idea that sometimes people get sick with infectious diseases. With a COVID vaccine now bringing the pandemic to an end, there is no reason to refuse a return to normalcy just because someone, somewhere might get COVID, or because your vaccination is not a 100% guarantee against infection. We do have to get on with life, and accept some small level of risk.