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I will wear mask as long as I am able to, specially indoors. If I am forced to ditch the mask on my workplace... I will have to talk with the syndicates or something. I have the right to preserve my health.

I'm fairly sure nobody can force you to not wear a mask, other than for identification purposes (like security checks, airports, police controls and so on)
 
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That is why I added the link to a rapport that states that the people of Tokyo got herd immunity last year, it's impossible in Tokyo to keep 1,5 meter distance. Tradition or not.

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And that's why I posted the graph that showed such a proclamation was both premature and, well, wrong. Here it is again.
 

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Have fun with that. Did you wear masks every flu season?

When's the last flu season that killed over 600,000 people DURING a time of unprecedented lockdowns? Not to mention the more contagious variants now, like Delta. SARS-CoV-2 is not like an annual flu. It's also not the end of the world, but it's clearly much more deadly.
 
You have to understand puppy that they NEED this virus. They need it deeply. They care about tv scientists, not actual science.
Need it for what?

What is the motivation, the incentive?

Go ahead, square that circle for us, don’t just leave it open.

Disclaimer: If you plan to invoke “virtue signaling” in any way, don’t bother responding.

Unrelatedly, does anyone know where we can redeem these “virtue signaling” points in the Virtuous Signals Reward Program? Is there an equivalent cash value? Bonus tiers?

We certainly haven’t been out in public wearing masks and perpetuating the “COVID lie” so people we don’t know and will probably never see again (unless you live in a VERY small town/community) will be convinced of our virtue for nothing!

The strength of a “virtue signal” and $3 will get someone a ride on the bus, but so many seem to ascribe an irrational amount of motivation to it. Can never say why, though.
 
Need it for what?

What is the motivation, the incentive?

Go ahead, square that circle for us, don’t just leave it open.

Disclaimer: If you plan to invoke “virtue signaling” in any way, don’t bother responding.

Unrelatedly, does anyone know where we can redeem these “virtue signaling” points in the Virtuous Signals Reward Program? Is there an equivalent cash value? Bonus tiers?

We certainly haven’t been out in public wearing masks and perpetuating the “COVID lie” so people we don’t know and will probably never see again (unless you live in a VERY small town/community) will be convinced of our virtue for nothing!

The strength of a “virtue signal” and $3 will get someone a ride on the bus, but so many seem to ascribe an irrational amount of motivation to it. Can never say why, though.
lol, if I knew why they needed it then I’d have a way to combat it. Interesting that you would go to virtue signaling. The mask is definitely a virtue signal.
 
Really the honor system?! Apple, Disney and so many others thinking the honor system will work? I get why they do it, they can say they are doing something when in reality its the absolute path of least resistance. When companies looked like they were caring about customers more than the $ now its back to "lets look like we are doing something".

With the delta variant (which is just what rocked the hell out of India in their latest wave and nearly collapsed the healthcare in that country) is rising in the US and we are nowhere near even 60% overall US vaccinated (thanks to most states being 40 and below) this is really premature.

Yes we need to open up and move on. However, big ships don't make "turn on a dime" turns, big ships steer slowly. If we even want a semblance of normal without new lockdowns or massive amounts of people getting sick and dying we need to be smart about this, not hunting for the $$$ or the political clout.
 
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Many people are tired of living in fear. Variants are gonna happen regardless. The virus will mutate to survive. And a cause for mutations is indeed a vaccine.
As others have stated, the more replication you have (number of cases), the greater the likelihood of mutation.

"Variants are going to happen regardless" is pretty pedantic.

Ideally, we need to do for this what we did for smallpox - vaccinate it out of existence (ideally). We can do this by making sure that all of the lesser developed countries have ample supplies of vaccines.

The US needs to figure out how to get everyone vaccinated. Too many people have turned this into a partisan issue.
 
I'm happy to see a great inprovement in the state of things, but I still think leaving masks behind so soon is a bit of a risk.

Would it be so horribly unsustainable to keep the masks on for like 2 more months?
Just letting the rest of the vaccinations go on and the warm weather roll in.

We've been wearing these masks for a year and a half...what's just 2 more months?
And I don't especially like wearing them...like anyone else

I'd rather wear masks for an extra few months and then not wear them anymore, instead of dropping it now and (god forbid) going into an other mini-lockdown in autumn
The only reason for the vaccinated to require masks now is to increase the chances that the COVIDiots also wear masks so they don't infect each other, vaccinated are effectively uninfectable and won't get terribly ill or transmit it even if they got a breakthrough infection. From the hospitalization information pretty much only those who have chosen not to be vaccinated are getting hospitalized.

We can't wait around for the modern era Luddites, they have a right to make potentially fatal mistakes same as everyone else.
 
The only reason for the vaccinated to require masks now is to increase the chances that the COVIDiots wear masks so they don't infect each other, vaccinated are effectively uninfectable and won't get terribly ill or transmit it even if they got a breakthrough infection. From the hospitalization information pretty much only those who have chosen not to be vaccinated are getting hospitalized.

We can't wait around for the modern era Luddites, they have a right to make potentially fatal mistakes same as everyone else.
The best vaccines are only 90% effective. (so you still have a 1 in 10 chance if you're in close contact with someone that's infectious).

We need to get the number of people that are unvaccinated approaching zero. The US is only about half. No-where near "herd immunity" - which is when you should be taking your masks off (for indoors or mass transit).
 
Again. I did not say anything like this. You're twisting it and you know it because you don't like what I'm saying. I'm stating he's a big part of this scamdemic and the world has evidence of that. Explain to me why there's no pandemic in Mexico, Florida, Texas, Sweden, Belarus, etc.? Why can't the rest of the world live normally?

Explain how, in this Information Age, how every country and government can keep a scam like this quiet? This is seriously flat earth talk here. It’s not possible to keep something like that a secret.
 
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lol, if I knew why they needed it then I’d have a way to combat it. Interesting that you would go to virtue signaling. The mask is definitely a virtue signal.
Ah, so you’re convinced of something that you confidently project onto others that you can’t even provide a motivation for?

That’s…certainly a way to draw a conclusion.
 
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The best vaccines are only 90% effective. (so you still have a 1 in 10 chance if you're in close contact with someone that's infectious).

We need to get the number of people that are unvaccinated approaching zero. The US is only about half. No-where near "herd immunity" - which is when you should be taking your masks off (for indoors or mass transit).
Glad you know better than the scientists
 
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I do sort of chuckle when I see people I know are fully vaccinated walking around in masks outside and in the store.

I mean, why did you get vaccinated if you're just going to wear a mask? That's like trying to protect your knees with knee pads...while you're sitting in a tank.

Then I realize---oh--people just don't want to show they're good little liberals who didn't vote for an orange man.

Because there is still a chance? It’s not 100% cure of COVID. I have not been sick for one day since this whole mess started. I used to get sick a lot due to people not staying home when they feel bad.
 
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Glad you know better than the scientists
Link?

Here, I'll help you out:

WHO - herd immunity topic:

Mayo Clinic:

We're going to enjoy a false sense of hope as the warmer weather reduces the contagion (see last year), with the cold and flu season coming back in the fall, if we don't have almost everyone vaccinated by then, we could have a 4th wave.
 
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Yes we need to open up and move on. However, big ships don't make "turn on a dime" turns, big ships steer slowly. If we even want a semblance of normal without new lockdowns or massive amounts of people getting sick and dying we need to be smart about this, not hunting for the $$$ or the political clout.

Here in Georgia (US) we've been largely opened up for a while now, with the remaining restrictions largely eliminated in early April. Some folks choose to keep wearing their masks, but in effect most do not - even indoors and in stores (just my personal observation)

Vaccine supply has exceeded demand for weeks now, with mass-vaccination sites closing from lack of interest, and thus IMHO nearly everyone over 12 wanting vaccination has had ample opportunity to do so.

The seven day moving average has continued to trend downward since January. Local TV news ran a story a week or so ago about the drop; a doctor they interviewed said he's seen people still hospitalized but none were vaccinated. Yes, anecdotal, so take it for what you will.

We shall see what effect this delta variant has, and I imagine if there's a spike we'll see a response accordingly.

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Source: https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report
 
Honest question: wouldn’t asking someone if they’re vaccinated be in violation of HIPAA laws? Because you’d be sharing medical information in a public place and not in confidentiality?

It wouldn’t violate HIPAA. HIPAA is about need to know and accountability. Does your employer know you drink and drive? No. Does a store that needs to protect employees need to know if your vaccinated? I’d say yes. To protect employees and others in the store. Does an employer need to know if I’m on drugs? Yes, that is why you do those screenings when you apply for a job. Does an employer need to know if I’m on heart medication? No.
 
Well not over. Still plenty of people being hospitalised it’s just that 97% are the unvaccinated. Other than the immune compromised and children less than 12, their vulnerability to illness is by their own choice. As my dad used to say “This is America and you have a right to do 10 stupid things before breakfast if you want.”

Doesn’t mean I don’t have the right to point and laugh, schadenfruende is an actual right too.
There has not been a recorded covid death in my state since May 31st. It was one on that day.
 
Masks don't protect you - they protect others from you.
They do both, but they're also not complete protection. You can get contaminants on your hands, touch your eyes.

They stop you from inhaling (if it's an N95) any airborne virus. If it's not an N95 mask, the virus can get through it, but it does significantly reduce what you're able to put into the air.
 
It's actually astonishing how BADLY some people want masks and distancing to be the new normal. It's like they were terrible in social settings pre-covid and it's the only way for them to feel normal now.

Um. Take a look at Asia. It’s quite normal there.
 
Until under 12 year old population is eligible for vaccination AND Apple Store employees stop wearing masks, I will be wearing.
Really, what is this, bot invasion?

Your mask has done nothing whatsovever from day 1, the wax doesn't work in fact it makes everyone really sick, and coN-vid is easily cured by drugs that are cheap, widely available, have been around for 50+ years and also ... all have been suppressed by media and social media.

Even the US Senate is getting it which means the truth wave is unstoppable, no matter how thick the lies were, and no matter how many trillions the ones behind all this are making from their waxes. Truth prevails.

All these facts are now widely available on the internet, nothing is hidden, there's no hidden conspiracies, there's only out-in-the-open and hiding-in-plain-sight conspiracies, which, if you do about 5 minutes of looking, you'll find.

Apple is unfortunately playing along in this dystopian nightmare soap opera, but the narrative is currently falling apart like a house of cards, Fauci emails prove to everyone what we - who were paying attention - knew for over a year already. Stick your head in the sand, your choice, but it's gonna get really uncomfortable...as the story collapses like the house of cards it always was..

PS: The US Senate is going after big tech for censorship and suppression of truth. They're going to get hit hard.

"Historically, only the truth has ever been censored" ~ F. Niezsche
 
I hope you're right. The CDC probably has access to some sources I personally don't lol, I was talking not about the epidemiological or medic part of the assessment, Im sure if they say vaccinated people don't spread or spread marginally the virus is of course sound, and yes the vaccinated should be rewarded with being able to stop using masks.

I was talking about the social factor and the honor system. Look, Mexico and Canada have only 11% of its population fully vaccinated, and we have the same low hospitalization numbers as the US. Chile, on the other hand, has more vaccinated than the US and its going into a new full lockdown. I'm no expert nor a scientist, I just think across North America we're seasonally in the lows, let's hope the region reaches at least 60% fully vaxed soon and that it stays like that.
Even the Great Dr. Fauci was finally pressed into giving a real answer two weeks ago about those vaccinated. I can't believe CBS was the one to press him on this, but good on them.

He said if you are vaccinated and you get the virus its basically game over for the virus. The viral load that you will carry is so small that it can't infect anyone else. He said that the data showed the same thing for those who had covid already....than you can get it again, in rare cases, but the load you carry is not transmissable.

Combine vaccinated with those that have had it....and I am going to say you have at least 70% of the population covered in the US.
 
Until under 12 year old population is eligible for vaccination AND Apple Store employees stop wearing masks, I will be wearing.
I don’t blame you. And I’m being serious, I do not blame you. If I lived near enough an Apple Store so shopping there was convenient I don’t think that I would not wear a mask. There is a store in Omaha but it hasn’t been open except by appointment and it’s around a 50 minute drive each way. Not impossible but I have to really need to go there to not just order something online.
 
The best vaccines are only 90% effective. (so you still have a 1 in 10 chance if you're in close contact with someone that's infectious).

We need to get the number of people that are unvaccinated approaching zero. The US is only about half. No-where near "herd immunity" - which is when you should be taking your masks off (for indoors or mass transit).
That isn't going to happened. The COVIDiots are about 30% of the population and say they will never get vaccinated. They just don't care and there is no way to make them develop critical thinking this late in the game. There will be no herd immunity.
 
Vaccinated here, went to a party with over 50 people this weekend, no one wearing mask. Host required everyone to be vaccinated although he didn’t do any checks. It was just weird to be in each other’s face after a year. If you somehow get COVID, it’s because you likely didn’t get vaccinated. Everyone is responsible for their behaviors. But we can’t keep doing the mask thing for another year, it’s getting ridiculous especially for public transportation and supermarkets. I did my part, I shouldn’t be restricted for others ignorance considering the vaccine is available so much abundance.

Vaccination is NOT a cure. You can still get it with your party of 50 people.

Cloth face coverings (i.e. non-N95 or N100) don't protect the wearer, they protect others FROM the wearer.

And since a vaccine is NOT a cure, I think it’s reasonable for me to keep wearing masks. Just like how I HATE when co workers come to work sick, I’d hate to spread my illnesses. I’m hoping this causes the US to become like Japan. They wear masks a lot there pre-COVID.
 
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