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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'

uecker87 said:
Just because I own a Macbook and install apps outside of the App Store doesn't mean I instantly turn into an idiot
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Your part if the 1% of intellect beings. The rest are not. They'll download anything if it means free. Free download of final cut pro, free cracked version of DaVinci Desolve Studio (that's $300).
 
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truthsteve said:
Nope.


I was forced to be born here. Not the same


If parents gave me the phone I didn't want, I'd mow the lawns of neighbors, sell some of my limited possessions, do odd jobs here and there to earn my own money, and buy the phone that I did my research on.

You can't realistically expect a 13 year old to mow the lawn to save up enough money that you can move to a different country.

Sorry but the analogy doesn't work and you're still not getting it.
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So yet again you are missing the entire point by miles.

umm 13 year old does not have the right to buy a phone of his choice either. That is going to require a parents to agree to it but we are talking about adults over the age of 18.

So yet again we are back to if you dont like the country you on in on this law you are free to move to a different one. The foundation issue is not my problem. It is logistics and that is your problem to figure out but you are free to move and figure out how to do it. Never mind the cost.

The TLDR. Come up with a better argument other than go buy Android as right now that entire argument is countered with move to a different country that not enforcing these laws. China and Russia are great this time of year I hear.
 
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can't comment on this lawsuit but I actually enjoy this enclosed ecosystem, everything from apple works perfectly with each other or at least they just work. Can't imagine how much more resources Apple has to devote if they are forced to open up their ecosystem to compatible with others from hardware to service, from OS to messaging.
 
antiprotest said:
Is there a legal difference between defend and vigorously defend? Why do people always add vigorously? I assume no one wants to casually defend themselves? Or do they think this adds a note of indignation? If so, why always vigorously instead of some other word?

Edit: I don't understand why a few people "disagree" with this. It is a real question. There is nothing to disagree with. If you think I am ignorant, just answer the question.
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You can pump a certain amount of resources into a defense. Some companies may not have the money to pull out all the stops in defending a case. Some may say money is no object. Some defenses may be more aggressive hen other defenses. So, while I think you were being a bit sarcastic with your question, there can be different levels of investment in the defense of a case like this which will likely go on for years and cost millions of dollars. So yes, there can be a defense of a case that is more vigorously pursued than others.
 
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truthsteve said:
Yes really. Had iOS/iPadOS used third party app stores, apps wouldn't have followed guidelines. guidelines that translated well to other platforms like tvOS/visionOS (ex: minimum 44pt x 44pt button sizes that ended up being comfortable enough for visionOS customers to tap using their eyes and hands)
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IOS apps have long stopped following those guidelines, unfortunately.
 
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surfzen21 said:
Governments manipulating stock prices.

I'd love to see all the decision makers at the EU and DOJ show their and their families holdings in Apple and its competing companies.
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It's great that you've realised conclusions should be based on evidence, now all you need to do is put them in the right order before you boldly state your opinions as facts and then go on to comment that you'd love to have access to any evidence to back them up.
 
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Gasu E. said:
There's an implicit, and fallacious, assumption embedded in your comment: the belief that a restriction that was acceptable and constructive during the early growth stage of a product life cycle, continues to be acceptable and constructive if and when that product eventually achieves a position of market dominance.
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No. I think you replied to the wrong post. I'm simply showing how Apple's control (the guidelines) allowed them to create technology that worked better and that losing this control will hinder Apple's ability to carry out this goal.
 
aliensporebomb said:
So, we can't agree on universal healthcare or gun control but suing a tech company is our priority? OK. Great. So was this really pushed by Epic Games because of the Fortnite debacle? I'd actually prefer things the way they are now because usually people who push or this kind of thing on Android is to use "sketchy" apps. My personal thoughts
are that this was done due to the recent ruling in europe.
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How does universal healthcare or gun control involve the DOJ? Who's priority are you speaking of? It seems in Congress, finding something to impeach the President is the current priority.
 
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victorvictoria said:
Everyone just adores people who parse semantics. Bet you're a riot at parties!
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We are talking about a legal situation here. Words -- even the tense and plurality of a word -- can be significant. Even an adjective or a punctuation can make a difference. Whether that is fun at parties is another issue, but a legal situation is probably not a party. And I was wondering if the word matters here. Somebody here actually took me somewhat seriously and gave an answer.
 
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dannyyankou said:
Trump literally personally sued Google himself a couple years ago. Give me a break.
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Trump, personally, has sued everyone. Not a headline anymore. If he had all the money he's paid lawyers on frivolous lawsuits, he could probably post is $454M bond.
 
AHDuke99 said:
I'd argue being forced to download multiple App Stores will make the consumer experience worse.
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Then you’re completely misunderstanding. Apple will be forced to allow the existence of multiple other appstores. Consumers won’t be forced to use any of them, they will decide whether or not to use any of them and most consumers will likely stick to the appstore, just like android users mostly stick to the Google Play store. If consumers choose to stick to only using the appstore and nothing else, I don’t see how their experience will change at all from what it is now.
 
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