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So, we can't agree on universal healthcare or gun control but suing a tech company is our priority? OK. Great. So was this really pushed by Epic Games because of the Fortnite debacle? I'd actually prefer things the way they are now because usually people who push or this kind of thing on Android is to use "sketchy" apps.
It's the american way. instead of actually passing laws like normal democracies, we rely on the courts to move the law forward. This is why you can often guess the results of cases before they begin. My guess is the ruling will be extremely nuanced and does nothing to protect consumers in general.
 
They can interoperate to their heart's content between their HW and SW. They just cannot hamper others from interoperating by denying access to some of the APIs or resources that they give to their HW. So, for instance, Apple should allow Pebble to access the same APIs that it allows AW. Simple concept. If AW is still better, then people will buy AW. But Apple knows that it cannot compete like that so it denies access to some APIs to other company HW.
Ding ding ding. Thanks for clearing this up for people - then again some people already have their minds made up and love anti-competitive practices all in the name of "security".
 
No other way around.

Nope.

Again that is the point you set up a foundation there.
I was forced to be born here. Not the same

If your parents gave you your first smart phone you didnt get a choice.
If parents gave me the phone I didn't want, I'd mow the lawns of neighbors, sell some of my limited possessions, do odd jobs here and there to earn my own money, and buy the phone that I did my research on.

You can't realistically expect a 13 year old to mow the lawn to save up enough money that you can move to a different country.

Sorry but the analogy doesn't work and you're still not getting it.
 
"Have you seen our Watch bands?! They are fantastic, so much so that they have taken over the entire company and destroyed our ability to innovate our software! So said lawsuit has no merit!" - Apple
 
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From cnn

Attorney General Merrick Garland announced a landmark lawsuit against tech giant Apple over a variety of allegations, including that it:

  • Uses its control over iOS, the iPhone operating system, to block innovative new apps and cloud streaming services from the public
  • Degrades how Android messages appear on iPhones
  • Restricts how competing smartwatches can work with iPhones
  • Hinders rival payment solutions
Garland claimed that Apple has a monopoly over the smartphone market, but not because of the value of its own products.

"We allege that Apple has consolidated its monopoly power, not by making its own products better, but by making other products worse," Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a news conference on Thursday.
But, it will take some time to know whether Apple has, in fact, breached the antitrust laws. The case could take years to play out as it moves through the justice system.

The DOJ complaint points to remedies that could include:

  • Preventing Apple's current control approach to its app store
  • Limiting Apple from using its private APIs to "undermine cross-platform technologies like messaging, smartwatches and digital wallets, among others."
  • Preventing Apple from using terms and conditions with developers, accessory makers, consumers and others "to obtain, mantain, extend, or entrench a monopoly."
  • Restoring competitive conditions and awarding plaintiffs reasonable attorneys' fees and other costs.
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Obviously this might never go to trial as different parts are contested and further changes to how things work in iOS change in the future. Such as iMessage using RCS, or changes to App Store rules.
 
If the iPhone is totally unlocked, it’s gonna get hacked. Do we really need more NSFW photos on the internet?
Horrible take. Many people have Macs or PCs, right? Do their computers get hacked just because they are able to install apps outside of a locked down app store?

Just because I own a Macbook and install apps outside of the App Store doesn't mean I instantly turn into an idiot and download a bunch of shady stuff. I can be smart and vet what is safe and what isn't. I don't need Apple holding my hand along the way.
 
So, we can't agree on universal healthcare or gun control but suing a tech company is our priority? OK. Great. So was this really pushed by Epic Games because of the Fortnite debacle? I'd actually prefer things the way they are now because usually people who push or this kind of thing on Android is to use "sketchy" apps.

All those things take acts of legislation. Suing a company can be done unilaterally by the executive branch based on the elected administration's policies.
 
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Why dont devs just not develop for iOS/iPadOS if they hate it so much?
If you dont agree with the terms and conditions, dont submit your app or become a registered dev.
Same goes for the end users.... dont agree to the ToS then dont buy the device.
 
For some reason I remember something coming about after this suit. It was I believe found out that the main reason Apple and the book publishers did it was because Amazon was selling the books at or near a lose to and had become to large of a bookstore for the publishers to fight against solo.

Amazon was selling the eBooks wholesale, so they could decide the final price, including selling at loss if they wanted, e.g. for promotional reasons. The publishers were uncomfortable with low eBook prices since in their eyes it would lead to consumer "devaluing" books in general.

Apple colluded with multiple publisher to push the "Agency model", where the publisher controls the final price and the "retailer" collects a fee. This lead to the ability of publishers to fix the price of eBooks at a higher level in an attempt to stop the devaluation of books.

Apple did that because they also did not want eBooks to be cheap and did not want to compete against Amazon on price. The Agency model had a clause that required minimum price across all retailers, so Amazon could not undercut Apple.

The price fixing deal was just stupid and bad thinking in the long run, but the reason for the attempt was never addressed (afaik)

The price fixing deal was considered a violation "per se", so the reasoning behind it was irrelevant. A "per se" violation cannot be justified by circumstances, as opposed to a violation under the rule of reason.
 
Is there a legal difference between defend and vigorously defend? Why do people always add vigorously? I assume no one wants to casually defend themselves? Or do they think this adds a note of indignation? If so, why always vigorously instead of some other word?

Edit: I don't understand why a few people "disagree" with this. It is a real question. There is nothing to disagree with. If you think I am ignorant, just answer the question.
Everyone just adores people who parse semantics. Bet you're a riot at parties!
 
the DOJ's problem is that it'll be really hard to prove what the harm to consumers is. One may argue that maybe app store prices could come down? But no evidence of that has shown up. Apps tend to cost the same on every platform.

I do think apple closing apps from accessing certain hardware features is pretty BS, but what is the actual harm to consumers? Apple wallet is free.
If an App is $10 on the Website, and $13 on the Appstore and if they do not let the developer inform the consumer that they can get the app cheaper on the website due to Apple tax, is it still difficult to prove that customers were harmed?

In any case, they must have prepared the case properly because it took them five years. They may have some means to be able to at leat try to prove it. However, Apple's legal department might thwart their efforts. It will need a lot of effort though, from Apple legal team. It is all a speculation but if anybody thinks DOJ (and 17 state attorneys) were unprepared for proving charges that they made in the suit, they might be in for a surprise.
 
Why dont devs just not develop for iOS/iPadOS if they hate it so much?
If you dont agree with the terms and conditions, dont submit your app or become a registered dev.
Same goes for the end users.... dont agree to the ToS then dont buy the device.

This take is about 5 years out of date and its incorrectness has been endlessly explained since then
 
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People misunderstand governments action have nothing to do with anti trust and everything to do with having access to backdoor to Apple and others.

In the main same as the EU the 'experts' bringing often spurious claims, are only slightly more knowledgeable than the idiots in power under the old adage 'in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king'.

I buy Apple products because of the difference, not because of the similarity to other platforms/devicers.
 
Meanwhile, many developers are fine with 15%/30% cut and most customers are fine with a single App Store to find all of their apps.

As usual, gov trying to control someone else's success for no reason. Huge overstep.

How did you get the opinion of hundreds of millions of people and conclude the majority is ok with a walled garden while macOS has pretty much been wide open for the last 40 years?
 
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