Depends on who wins initially. If DOJ loses initially, I don't see the supreme court even taking the case.
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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One simple fact remains: these same monopoly laws were brought down on Microsoft in the 1990’s which forced them to both throw Apple a cash lifeline and also open up the PC market. Apple as a company wouldn’t exist without these laws. If Microsoft could have gotten away with burying Apple and never releasing Office on the Mac they would have done it.
30 years later there are no jaded fan people complaining Microsoft were treated unfairly, Windows is a decent operating system and the PC marketplace is in rude health with multiple competing software storefronts, portable hardware configs and multiple manufacturers. The sky didn’t fall in.
I hope that we can say the same about iOS and Android and that in 30 years time there are multiple competing storefronts driving innovation, users learn to manage their digital lives themselves instead of falling for the Apple paranoia and that competition drives Apple themselves on to compete better on their own platforms instead of turning further into the complacent giant they are slowly becoming.
30 years later there are no jaded fan people complaining Microsoft were treated unfairly, Windows is a decent operating system and the PC marketplace is in rude health with multiple competing software storefronts, portable hardware configs and multiple manufacturers. The sky didn’t fall in.
I hope that we can say the same about iOS and Android and that in 30 years time there are multiple competing storefronts driving innovation, users learn to manage their digital lives themselves instead of falling for the Apple paranoia and that competition drives Apple themselves on to compete better on their own platforms instead of turning further into the complacent giant they are slowly becoming.
Consumers will choose convenience. Android handsets have open NFC architecture yet banks and customers just stick with Google Pay.
Well, the fact that currently most games are written for Windows probably has a bit to do with it, too. If someone told you they were buying a Mac specifically to play games, would you not question their sanity?
If that is basis for their complaint, they don't have a case.
This is what kills me. There are plenty of things that Apple has done wrong that they could be called out for...and none of these things are it.
That would be required if the person posting said "most" developers. "Many" simply requires a number to be fine with it, and I've already seen a number here in these threads that seem okay with it. Alternately, the fact that many here seem to believe "no" developers are fine with it would also require every single developer to be surveyed, and the fact several have said they are fine with it invalidates that belief as simply "pulling it out of one's rear", as well.
1. Literally nobody is saying that AW should not work properly with iPhones. However, the superior performance of AW with iPhone is due to the use of APIs that they do not let 3rd party watches access. They object to this as this will degrade the performance of 3rd party watches and make them unattractive, even though they are better. So, Apple is not competing based on merit but by hampering the functionality of 3rd party watches. That is a strict no no.
2. They have to make iMessages interoperable with other messaging clients. WhatsApp and Messenger, which depend on messaging as their primary business, have put in place a process of interoperability. Not sure why Apple cannot do this.
Making messaging interoperability with third parties safe for users in Europe
To comply with a new EU law, the Digital Markets Act (DMA), which comes into force on March 7th, we’ve made major changes to WhatsApp and Messenger to enable interoperability with third-party messa…engineering.fb.com
They're working to ensure that the resultant solution is safe. Apple, instead of doing something similar, is whining at every opportunity.
did you not read the complaint?
the issue is in the absolute non-sequitur that is this sentence. they allude to a legitimate issue—limiting third-party smartwatches’ access to Apple APIs—and then flip the issue, stating that purchasing an Apple Watch “locks” you into buying an iPhone as if here’s some misleading advertising going on. an AW literally cannot function unpaired from an iPhone. that has been clear from day one. it reeks of the same ignorance in the following quote from the AG leading this case:
[source] the level of stupidity in this statement is unreal. Apple Pay obfuscates credit card numbers so they can’t be abused, either by way of CC fraud or by way of tracking us. it is one of the GREATEST benefits of Apple Pay, by far.
by and large, I don’t want this government involved in my technology. they are dinosaurs who have no clue about modern security and what it actually looks like. just about the only good anti-monopolistic thing the DOJ has done in the past century is break up Ma Bell. their attempts to come after Meta and Alphabet have largely been hindered by their own ignorance. I see nothing but the same in their future with this case.
P.S. thank you for linking that article about Messenger/WhatsApp interoperability, it really drives home the point on how unnecessarily difficult of an issue that is + the fact that different platforms shouldn’t be forced to interact with each other. what’s the point of RCS if private platforms are being forced to open up? focus on perfecting the basic texting standard that every smartphone (including iPhones beginning with iOS 18) uses. period.
It already happened on the locked iPhone, unfortunately.
Apple Security: Hacker Steals Over 6 Lakh Nude Pics From iCloud With Phishing Links
The perpetrator, Hao Kuo Chi, residing in La Puente has agreed to plead guilty to four felonies, including conspiracy to gain unauthorised access to a computer, according to court records.www.indiatimes.com
The iPhone was not compromised. You’ve cited completely irrelevant precedent.
brilliant business move. the doj can’t win a lawsuit against a company that doesn’t exist 🤯
I really don't understand why so many people think Apple is innocent here. I see so many comments calling this out as a witch hunt. When the regulatory arms of every major government on the face of the planet see the problems with the status quo then maybe it's the fan bois that have it wrong here.
When their solution for the lack of competition for the app store is that Android exists it's clear to me and others they have no idea what they are talking about. If I could buy Android apps on my iPhone then that's competition. Asking me to sell my iPhone phone and buy an Android phone simply to get a better deal on an app is not realistic and therefore not competition.
When their solution for the lack of competition for the app store is that Android exists it's clear to me and others they have no idea what they are talking about. If I could buy Android apps on my iPhone then that's competition. Asking me to sell my iPhone phone and buy an Android phone simply to get a better deal on an app is not realistic and therefore not competition.
Your bank decides that their app will reside only in a third party App Store. You’re forced to install another store ..
Finally. Apple has been closed for nearly three decades. The web and the Internet have always been open and Apple has been taking advantage of it and its consumers for years. Maybe iOS will finally catch up to Android once Apple opens up their ecosystem.
I personally prefer CD and Blu-rays because I hate DRM and like to actually own things I buy, but iTunes purchases are DRM free, so you should be able to download even the purchased songs, let alone any MP3s you have loaded manually. Did I miss them changing something, or is it a storage issue for you? Or something else?
I used to back up all my purchases to a local hard drive, but I've gotten so used to streaming that I haven't backed up in some time. You have me thinking that I probably should do so in the near future.
Rent-seeking is an economic concept that describes when someone tries to increase their wealth without providing any benefits to society. It involves using resources to obtain economic gain and increased profits without productively reciprocating.
Hint: It is not collecting rent.
I don't want iOS app store to look like MacOS app store.
Right now i trust what i download from iOS app store, i don't trust what i download from web on my Mac.
Personally, I think that decision was made long time before the EU decided that it had to force Apple’s hand, because it’s built into the chip that’s in the Pro. The 15, not so much. I think it was going originally be lightning, but they had to redesign it quickly with USB C.
They are not interested in whether AW works without an iPhone or not. What they are telling is that, once you buy an AW, then you have to keep buying an iPhone and vice versa. And you cannot buy an Android watch because they gimp the functionality of the Android watch used in conjunction with iPhone. So, if you buy an iPhone, you have to buy an AW if you want to have the optimum experience even if the alternatives are better. And you have both, you cannot go back because you cannot get the data out.
When they Apple pay inserts itself between the user is this. When a user pays using a bank card, the bank is responsible for any fraud and they are a tightly controlled entity. All banks are. Apple pay is not. Irrespective of how much Apple thinks it is secure, it is another extra point of failure and Apple pay is not governed or held up to the same exacting standards as a Banking institution.
They make the standards that banks and other financial institutions follow. You must be clueless if you think the government does not know what it legislates. They see failures and try to legislate against similar failures. They mostly specify the outcomes and the financial institutions have to decide on the implementation method to achieve the outcomes.
They're forcing interoperability because without it, it is easy forcing eco-system lockdown. People are not able to switch from iPhones to Android because they cannot take their message history with them and fear losing those permanently. Same case with photos and every other aspect. I know that many Apple fans think that it is a good thing.
DOJ or DMA do not look at RCS as the means of interoperability. That is why WhatsApp wants each messaging client to apply for interoperability and they will work with them to make the interoperability work. In fact, the DMA says that interoperability should be facilitated without compromising the security. Trust me, they're well thought out pieces of legislation.
It's what the EU asked for.
They would call it "allowing innovation" or some junk like that. It's a lot of onion pealing going on, and the EU seems to believe they can do it without breaking things or creating un-intended problems.
Not for nothing. They should have asked for a proper roadmap on what Apple intends to do to meet the laws. Grade it, and have a bit of back and forth BEFORE executing anything. But, that's me.
If the DOJ wins, then apple isn't allowed to nickel and dime you on every purchase you make using an iDevice. That's good news, because then you can pressure the services you use to charge less $$ for them.
Pulling an example out of my ass here, you can easily get 1TB of MS onedrive (with ms office) for like $50 a year. Easily. People are getting fleeced buying stuff from their iOS device and never checking the alternatives.
The argument is a JOKE. EPIC lost trying to prove Apple was running an illegal monopoly with their store.
Trying to explain why Green bubbles is harming anyone is absolutely absurd. And anyone that remembers when we started with just SMS and MMS, the bubble was green. Did Apple break MMS or SMS to hamper what Android users see? Nope. It is as it was. So what exactly is the harm? To whom? You're accusing Apple of making people think Green is bad and blue is good. Also ignoring alternative messengers that exist on both platforms.
This will go to the SCOTUS and fail 6-3. Again, they can argue the Watch and NFC/Wallets access. After that, these charges fail.
Don't forget they were trying to break up Microsoft. Thankfully, they dodged that bullet.
Thats like saying I can't move somewhere because I live here, and it would require me to do something that I don't want to do like sell my house and pack my stuff. Nothing you described is even close to impossible or prevented by Apple. You are choosing to stay on the Apple ecosystem because it works well for you and is convenient. Not because you are locked in.