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No they didn't. They prevented a third party from spoofing Apple credentials to pretend to be an Apple device and use Apple's iMessage protocols. Apple has said they will support RCS, which is what Google (that other leader) was asking for to allow cross platform support.

That earlier mess was more similar to a third party hacking into your account before you have a chance to actually set up a joint account. It's very possible that the noise generated did push Apple towards their statement that they would add RCS, but it wasn't actual duopoly cross platform support with Google that Apple stopped.
Apple adding RCS is become China is making it a requirement.

Unlike all these other democracies, when China decides to do something they do it (how well it works out is another thing), while everywhere else you have one group or another crying and preventing actions via lawsuit.
 
Australian goverment investigates the powerful duopoly in its grocery / supermarket ecosystem... Findings say - yes, Woolworths and Coles are too powerful for their own good, setting prices, pushing up prices artificially, ripping off suppliers, and causing inflation, making every Australian pay more than they should. Australians say - that sucks, hey government, do something about this!

American government investigates Apple, the largest company in the world, who has long been accused of being anti-competitive, and says Hey - Apple is being anti-competitive. Half of America says **** you government, don't get involved in matters that don't concern you!

Do we all understand that the concept of playing the game Monopoly was to show how bad capitalism is? Not to try to get the most money?
It's interesting that people in America only started to complain about inflation when Apple raised the prices of their Max Pro iPhone. 🤭
 
It is all due to Apple not “playing ball” with the current administration. Apple’s attorneys will easily beat the administration’s DEI lawyers. The problem is the playing field will not be equal! Mother justice is not blind!
The investigation started during the Trump Administration.
There will be a discovery phase during which a lot of documents, internal emails, etc, will be on the internet for all to see. Apple's dirty linen will be washed in the public. That will surely cause a lot of damage to Apple's reputation.
Emboldened by the DOJ act, several other countries will also start taking action against Apple. Apple cannot win everywhere.
Btw, Apple's DMA compliance will be probed by DMA
The result of the probe and fines will be completed by November (Before Vestager's retirement).
 
No they didn't. They prevented a third party from spoofing Apple credentials to pretend to be an Apple device and use Apple's iMessage protocols. Apple has said they will support RCS, which is what Google (that other leader) was asking for to allow cross platform support.

That earlier mess was more similar to a third party hacking into your account before you have a chance to actually set up a joint account. It's very possible that the noise generated did push Apple towards their statement that they would add RCS, but it wasn't actual duopoly cross platform support with Google that Apple stopped.
Beeper just proves that technically it is feasible to avoid green bubbles and send good quality videos. Instead of adopting it, Apple stopped Beeper, which means that Apple's actions intentionally degrade the messaging experience as well as the user's security. That is why it is important.
 
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Beeper just proves that technically it is feasible to avoid green bubbles and send good quality videos. Instead of adopting it, Apple stopped Beeper, which means that Apple's actions intentionally degrade the messaging experience as well as the user's security. That is why it is important.
Beeper was trying to turn an Apple product into something that Apple did not want make. I believe Beeper should be able to make whatever product it wants but I don’t think they should be entitled to make someone else’s product into something the original company doesn’t want it to be.

You should compete on the merits of what your product offers. If Beeper made a great chat app that made users want to switch to it, that would be brilliant.
 
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Apple currently looking for concerned US citizens for blurbs in their upcoming manifesto on why any changes to their marketplace are nothing less than a threat to the free world.

Personally I would like to see a Venn diagram of prospective Trump voters and people defending Apple on their monopolistic practices. Probably a circle. The stuff in these comments… “tax dollars … government … Biden administration …” We’re a nation of apologists for big corps, it’s so embarrassing…
It is probably also a circle since people vehemently and always defending Apple are probably the same types of people that defend Trump whatever he does or says. Probably this has something to do with cogninitve dissonance, meaning that it is easier for them to blame everyone else or "rigged elections" than to be critical of said company or politician.
 
Beeper was trying to turn an Apple product into something that Apple did not want make. I believe Beeper should be able to make whatever product it wants but I don’t think they should be entitled to make someone else’s product into something the original company doesn’t want it to be.

You should compete on the merits of what your product offers. If Beeper made a great chat app that made users want to switch to it, that would be brilliant.
Yes, Beeper had to do that because it did not have legal access to those resources. However, Apple has. So, If Apple wanted to, it could have done it. There were no technical hurdles to enabling this for Apple. It was an intentional business decision that degraded the security and privacy of Apple consumers because, by defaulting to SMS, the security and privacy were compromised. Apple was fine with that because they could perpetuate the opinion amongst iPhone users that Android phones are of bad quality. That is why DOJ says "Apple deploys privacy and security justifications as an elastic shield that can stretch or contract to serve Apple’s financial and business interests."
 
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It is probably also a circle since people vehemently and always defending Apple are probably the same types of people that defend Trump whatever he does or says. Probably this has something to do with cogninitve dissonance, meaning that it is easier for them to blame everyone else or "rigged elections" than to be critical of said company or politician.
I think of it the other way around.

Trump supporters want to use the government to enforce their beliefs on everyone. And here we are with Apple, where the government are trying to enforce a sub-set of consumers beliefs onto everyone.

My view is that the government should not be used as a weapon to allow the few to exert control over the many.
 
Yes, Beeper had to do that because it did not have legal access to those resources. However, Apple has. So, If Apple wanted to, it could have done it. There were no technical hurdles to enabling this for Apple. It was an intentional business decision that degraded the security and privacy of Apple consumers because, by defaulting to SMS, the security and privacy were compromised. Apple was fine with that because they could perpetuate the opinion amongst iPhone users that Android phones are of bad quality. That is why DOJ says "Apple deploys privacy and security justifications as an elastic shield that can stretch or contract to serve Apple’s financial and business interests."
But that’s Apple’s prerogative as the maker of the product. Apple should have agency in deciding what it wants to make in the same way that consumers should have agency in what products they want to buy.

Consumer privacy and security is constantly put at risk by companies like Google and Facebook but we accept that both companies have agency to decide how to do business and that consumers have agency to decide whether to use their products or not.

I’m not sure why the standard is different when it concerns Apple. It just makes it feel like it’s deliberately targeted for political effect than for any meaningful reason.
 
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Yes really. Had iOS/iPadOS used third party app stores, apps wouldn't have followed guidelines. guidelines that translated well to other platforms like tvOS/visionOS (ex: minimum 44pt x 44pt button sizes that ended up being comfortable enough for visionOS customers to tap using their eyes and hands)
Yes. Because apple vision is the 'dream device' that pretty much no one cares about?
 
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Hinder them? Really? Opening the platform up isn't going to magically break how well all their devices work together. Total scapegoat argument.

The only argument that holds any weight is the privacy and security concerns.
Totally hinder them. Opening a platform is destroying a platform. How many open platforms are able to survive? Android is not really Open and it’s a cesspool of malware. Apple is being punished for their success because the government is being duped by billion dollar corporations like Epic and Spotify that want to replace Apple. They make less than 10% of their revenue from Apple platforms but want to demand more access when they haven’t contributed to the investment in the platform anyway.

Consumers will be the real losers here because many of the Apps on the App Store were free because paid apps covered the the reinvestment, but may not be viable in the future. When Steve Jobs came back he made several changes. One was that almost all of the product they sell will have a 35% gross margin If something becomes unprofitable, cut it immediately and invest that money into something else that meets that margin.

Their success is based on saying no to a lot of things. I really find the comment in the article implying that there is something wrong with Apple making their target profit margins because others choose to sell loss leaders is offensive and problematic. Especially since, their competitors offer comparatively priced models that are more at times. Apple just does not want to play in the cheap phone market. They have always targeted the premium phone market, primarily because the lower end can’t support their target markets.
 
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I wouldn’t put it past the Feds to try to break apart Apple’s hardware, OS, and Services divisions in an attempt to break up their ‘monopoly’.

Might be. But as is is the OS is part of the hardware not a separate income generating division. The services on the other hand i can see. Not that any of that would help. Apple just plain and simple needs to play nice with others.

Should Apple have to play nice with others? In my opinion...NO. No one played nice with them before when they were smaller so Apple resorted to the fine we will do it ourselves attitude. Now that they are doing well everyone wants a piece.

Morally i think Apple does need to be more open in the end.
 
WhatsApp is not using SMS. Goes back to the whole issue of green vs blue bubble. Had WhatsApp being able to access to same SMA functionality as Apple, you could completely rely on WhatsApp going forward as only messaging app, and won’t be missing SMS function. you would then be able to freely move between Apple and Android and not be tied to Apple wall garden
SO.... You want Apple to create a standard and let everyone else use that standard?
 
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But that’s Apple’s prerogative as the maker of the product. Apple should have agency in deciding what it wants to make in the same way that consumers should have agency in what products they want to buy.

Consumer privacy and security is constantly put at risk by companies like Google and Facebook but we accept that both companies have agency to decide how to do business and that consumers have agency to decide whether to use their products or not.

I’m not sure why the standard is different when it concerns Apple. It just makes it feel like it’s deliberately targeted for political effect than for any meaningful reason.
Whataboutism is not going to save Apple. They (Facebook and Google) have their own Antitrust cases opened by DOJ. Apple is the last. Beeper shows that there exists a solution that Apple could have implemented that would have enhanced the security and privacy of Apple users. However, Apple chose not to implement it so that it could lockdown the iPhone thereby putting the user's security and privacy at risk (falling back on SMS which is not secure). So, what is it? Does Apple give preference to security and privacy or profits? Their words say something whereas their actions say otherwise.
 
Add Apple Pay monopoly and grainy video from outside platforms. But I agree the SC will likely quash this (whether it merits that or not).
You do realise the grainy video from outside is because of the carrier crunching data to a size they deem is ok to send?
Apple receive the data in crap and just display it.
Every carrier has a different file size and crunch factor.

But none of it is Apple's fault. It's MMS.

Why anyone would need to send a large hires file via SMS/MMS is beyond reason when so many alternatives exist that are designed for those larger files. Or use Dropbox and email a link.
 
Whataboutism is not going to save Apple. They (Facebook and Google) have their own Antitrust cases opened by DOJ. Apple is the last. Beeper shows that there exists a solution that Apple could have implemented that would have enhanced the security and privacy of Apple users. However, Apple chose not to implement it so that it could lockdown the iPhone thereby putting the user's security and privacy at risk (falling back on SMS which is not secure). So, what is it? Does Apple give preference to security and privacy or profits? Their words say something whereas their actions say otherwise.
Didnt beeper want you to sign in with an Apple ID and give them your password?

Yeah, no security risk there at all... hahaha
 
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Benefits users will get once Apple addresses the issues that DOJ raised.

the green bubble and low res video is due to carrier compression. Apple just receive and display it. It came to them in crap MMS low res format.

Use an app that lets you send bigger files.
Apple uses Messages because it doesnt use the MMS method to share videos between users.
 
But either way, this won’t end with the US Gov or courts dictating what features Apples own individual apps should or shouldn’t offer as that sets a very dangerous, far reaching precedent.
Calling it a dangerous "precedent" is hilarious 😄

👉 Someone has been dictating many thousands of app developers what features their own individual apps shouldn't or shouldn't offer.

And I don't have to spell out who that "dictator" is. The precedent was set 16 years ago. The difference? This time, it's a (more or less) democratically elected government rather than the world's biggest, profit-maximising corporation.
Apple adding RCS is become China is making it a requirement.

Unlike all these other democracies, when China decides to do something they do it (how well it works out is another thing), while everywhere else you have one group or another crying and preventing actions via lawsuit.
Not only is China doing it - Tim Apple has shown remarkable restraint and deference in complying with China's demands. Contrast that to Apple's fierce objections to regulation by more democratic jurisdictions.
Opening a platform is destroying a platform. How many open platforms are able to survive?
Microsoft Windows has been fine as a platform. It certainly hasn't been destroyed.
 
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