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You do realise the grainy video from outside is because of the carrier crunching data to a size they deem is ok to send?
Apple receive the data in crap and just display it.
Every carrier has a different file size and crunch factor.

But none of it is Apple's fault. It's MMS.

Why anyone would need to send a large hires file via SMS/MMS is beyond reason when so many alternatives exist that are designed for those larger files. Or use Dropbox and email a link.

Minus the fact that it because Apple is choosing to use an older outdated version of MMS. If Apple updated to use a more modern protocol on MMS they would be better. Not the carriers. Carriers support a higher version just Apple is choosing to use an older outdated protocol so no Apple is gimping it.
 
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Exactly, I am looking forward to the discovery phase which will rip the masks off the top execs of Apple.
it's quite worrying how obsessed you are with these company execs.

"rip the masks off"... geez, how many episodes of CSI are based on people with similar motives committing crimes?

Anyone who takes as much delight in bringing down a big company and people should examine their own motivation.
 
Page 26 of the Lawsuit.
IV. Apple Unlawfully Maintains Its Monopoly Power
A. Apple harms competition by imposing contractual restrictions, fees, and taxes on app creation and distribution

"Apple uses these restrictions to extract monopoly rents from third parties in a variety of ways, including app fees and revenue-share requirements. For most of the last 15 years, Apple collected a tax in the form of a 30 percent commission on the price of any app downloaded from the App Store, a 30 percent tax on in-app purchases, and fees to access the tools needed to develop iPhone native apps in the first place. While Apple has reduced the tax it collects from a subset of developers, Apple still extracts 30 percent from many app makers. Apple also generates substantial and increasing revenue by charging developers to help users find their apps in the App Store—something that, for years, Apple told developers was part of the reason they paid a 30 percent tax in the first place. For example, Apple will sell keyword searches for an app to someone other than the owner of the app. Apple is able to command these rents from companies of all sizes, including some of the largest and most sophisticated companies in the world."

Please let me know if you want more.
Apple will cite several other platforms that work like iOS. The biggest one, of course, being Xbox.
 
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Minus the fact that it because Apple is choosing to use an older outdated version of MMS. If Apple updated to use a more modern protocol on MMS they would be better. Not the carriers. Carriers support a higher version just Apple is choosing to use an older outdated protocol so no Apple is gimping it.
i'm assuming you mean RCS?
which Apple have said they will implement sometime soon.

and others have commented RCS has many many issues and wont solve everything either...

carriers dont like wasting data. they like low res files. less cost to transmit.
 
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Minus the fact that it because Apple is choosing to use an older outdated version of MMS. If Apple updated to use a more modern protocol on MMS they would be better. Not the carriers. Carriers support a higher version just Apple is choosing to use an older outdated protocol so no Apple is gimping it.
Where is the law that states Apple must use a new protocol version?
 
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I wish I knew the point you are trying to make in your reply?

Apple arent compromising my security and privacy.

Businesses exist to make profit or do you have a problem with that?
Most businesses that compete for customers work on a Point of Difference.
Apple's is the walled garden and curated apps.
Seems to have worked successfully for 15 years.
Also seems that success makes you a target.

Comsumer preference is not something government should dictate.

We've had heaps of posts about Apple and steering in EU.
Seems DoJ are trying to steer Apple users away from Apple.

If Android or someone else released products that better suited customer need, people would have a reason to jump ship. I dont buy a Samsung Watch because it doesnt look nice. I dont care if it works with Apple or not. It's just ugly and wrong form factor for me to buy it. Same with their earbuds. I'm sure they work like other Bluetooth headphones but I'm not interested in switching from my AirPod Pros.

I like my tech toys.
Over the years I've bought many a device that later turned out to not be all it could have been.
And sometimes you strike gold and get something that just works nicely and feels worth your $$$.
Well, Apple cannot have it both ways, it cannot say it is striving for consumer privacy whenever it takes a controversial decision that looks like it is placing hurdles in the way of 3rd parties all the while disregarding a solution that is available. The current solution defaults to SMS which puts the iPhone users to security and privacy risks because they are not end-to-end encrypted. Apple are ok with it because making it compatible would make messages more secure and private but it would affect their profits. So, profits before security and privacy for Apple.
 
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So let me get this totally clear if I may.

Let's say I open a brick and mortar store.
I made the store, I developed and created the products.
I own it all.

Customers can come past and I get to decide who I wish to allow in to my store, and who I will allow to buy any of my products.

Yes, You are saying I have the full right to do this as it's 100% mine.
If you do not like how I run my store, then you are of course totally free to open your own store with your own rule.

Yes?

So, you would be happy if I did not let in, black people, gay people, disabled people, perhaps someone who looks chinese, or anyone with a tattoo.

My store my rules.

You are happy that I can run my store my way, and the government / laws should have no right to tell me, I am not able to run my store exactly how I like it?

Yes?
For the most part you are fee to run your store as you see fit. You are free to discriminate against the types of people you allow in except for the few exceptions where society has determined the government has an interest in regulating. Discrimination against people based on race, gender, or physical disabilities is widely agreed upon to be a fundamental harm to society that preventing it by depriving a business of a right to free will is acceptable.

When it comes to selling software I don’t believe society is served in the same manner by creating arbitrary protected classes that are primarily defined by their financial interests. And I don’t believe the government is acting in the best interests of society when it attempts to deprive rights based solely on its opinion on who is wielding them fairly.
 
I trust Apple, in the long run, and over many different technological areas, to provide me a better and a safer computing experience than would exist if the Government were dictating standards and business models/practices. What has the government ever built, relative to computing, that has provided me a better and safer computing experience than Apple provides to me?

You're cherry picking a single issue, and hoping to break the model of the marketplace to provide solutions.

As I mentioned, I'd prefer if Apple released iMessage on Android. But to then conclude that we'd be safer and better off with government mandated solutions here is naive, at best.

You can dream of a government-led utopia. I don't share your faith that the government is the best way to build that.
That you like Apple has nothing to do with this. Should DOJ proceed against only companies that you do not like :)

It is okay if you trust Apple. Even that has nothing to do with the case which lays down some facts. If you still want to love Apple inspite of those facts, that is your prerogative. That is not binding on the DOJ though.
 
It’s because of rogue companies like Epic and Spotify strategically making them a target. The suite is reminiscent of the law they were lobbying congress to pass a few years back but got zero support. I find it suspicious that the two primary companies that have been pushing this have significant Chinese ownership, but less than 10% of their revenue comes from Apple. What could their motivations be? What could they gain by unmonitored access to millions of US customers.
They made themselves a target 🙄🙄🙄
 
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Well, Apple cannot have it both ways, it cannot say it is striving for consumer privacy whenever it takes a controversial decision that looks like it is placing hurdles in the way of 3rd parties all the while disregarding a solution that is available. The current solution defaults to SMS which puts the iPhone users to security and privacy risks because they are not end-to-end encrypted. Apple are ok with it because making it compatible would make messages more secure and private but it would affect their profits. So, profits before security and privacy for Apple.
its a phone. people use SMS. so Apple support it.

it's not Apple's fault that SMS isnt secure.

they added features for iOS users to extend SMS into a better messaging system. they just didnt extend it to Android users. that's their choice. they maintain iOS and that's their focus. when it suits them they write Android apps for things like Apple Music. the purpose is to sell a service and generate income. making Messages for Android wont make any money.
 
And you'll find them acting like a business. SHOCK!!! The humanity!!!

The DOJ quotes Tim Cook telling someone that they should buy an iPhone! The horror! :) Seriously, you all think these things are horrible? A CEO of Apple saying someone should buy an iPhone is shocking? In what fantasy world do you all live in. That quote from Merrick Garland is embarrasing to Merrick Garland. What do you expect the CEO of Apple to say? Cracks me up the drama you're trying to manufacture over normal, expected business practices.
You assume that Merrick Garland has any shame. He's a partisan conservative hack who only had purchase in the Democratic Party because Obama served him up as a concession to McConnell for Scalia's vacant seat but the GOP raison d'etre when not in control of the executive is to not compromise and obstruct.

It is safe to say that Merrick cannot be embarrassed given he enlisted another conservative partisan hack to do a hatchet job on his own boss.
 
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"-Diminishing the Functionality of Non-Apple Smartwatches. Apple has limited the functionality of third-party smartwatches so that users who purchase the Apple Watch face substantial out-of-pocket costs if they do not keep buying iPhones."

This is the thing. Why should Apple be forced to make an inferior, less secure product just so it's compatible with Android, or any other app or OS? They shouldn't. Btw, is Samsung making their smartwatches completely iOS compatible? Yeah, didn't think so.

This whole case against Apple seems poorly thought out, and not based on facts nor law, but jealously and envy. It appears to me the DOJ has seen the EU dubiously scrape a couple billion off of Apple, and it wants some of those sweet. sweet Apple profits too.

What a waste of time, resources, and tax payer money.
Not based on facts and law, who are you again? 🙄
 
And you love Government overreach, and think they can do no wrong. Each to their own. But where you think the DOJ has some solid case, I think you're viewing it through rose-colored glasses. Good luck to you. I think the DOJ is going to get spanked on most of this. And I think the consumer will be better off because of that.
I have misgivings that the US government can effectively regulate tech mainly due to our government being full of decrepit should-be retirees.

In general, I think the administrative state is a critical piece to keep classically liberal institutions from eating itself alive. Corporations are only motivated by profit and - especially for publicly traded companies - growth. The administrative/regulatory state possesses the ability to exist outside the profit and growth motivation, so they have the unique ability to recognize when laissez faire will erode the very foundation that allows profits to exist.
 
Apple is like "We innovate every day to make technology people love" while the iPhones are starting to look like Toyota vehicles with barely any changes each year. There is nothing innovative other than a new chip, each iPhone does the same thing.
 
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If downloading another App store makes it more confusing, how would a confused user find said app store in the first place?
I said it makes the experience confusing.

Will third party apps download updates automatically? Restored on iCloud backup/restore when getting a new phone? Do I need to delete Microsoft Office before downloading the Microsoft Store version? List of questions go on and on.
 
If this is true, the market will slap Apple far harder than any government could dream of doing.
Such writing may wellbe on the wall, particularly (and beginning in) China, which arguably has a more competitive Android market than the US or Europe:

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/01/15/apple-offers-rare-iphone-discounts-china/
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/02/29/iphone-sales-china-dependent-promotions/
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/05/china-iphone-sales-slump-early-2024/

And it’s probably part of WHY Apple are defending their App Store/payment monopoly on iOS so vigorously.
 
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