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But if a company is popular with its customers, surely there is no harm done?
There is harm done to other developers:
Developers hate Apple and billion dollar companies have been lobbying the government to force Apple to change its contractual terms with them
…cause Apple‘s current business terms means high transaction costs to these developers.
Which in turn mean higher prices (harm) to consumers.

Apple‘s great trick: they’re not directly harming consumers - but have hidden that behind developers’ App Store pricing.

👉🏻 If an app or subscription is considered „expensive“ on the App Store, many customers will „blame“ that on or complain about the developer charging such a high price. Most people will mentally attribute it to the developer, few will ask why or attribute it to the high transaction costs.

„That App, subscription or developer is expensive“.
Not „Apple makes it so expensive by charging 30% commission

It’s a cognitive thing (often even if people rationally know better).
Same thing as with fuel prices or government taxes.
 
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Google has implemented their own proprietary add-on to RCS that encrypts it. It's not built into the standard. To use it, Apple would have to use Google's servers and rely on Google to provide the end-to-end encryption.
I understand the complexity of the task... my issue is that it's been years and there was no plan in place.

Apple has been pushing for a standard, non-proprietary encryption model for RCS, but that is slow to come becuase it's not controlled by anyone in particular.
According to Apple, back in 2022... Tim Cook stated there was no plans to support RCS.

Apparently, it was China that brought upon this change to support it.... if it was left up to Apple, they would have kept the status quo.
 
I don’t believe that bureaucrats are motivated by profit.

I believe they‘re mostly motivated by enforcing order and „doing the right thing“ - even if (as your opinion may be) the latter is misguided or misfires.

What gives me the creeps is people who would rather have and submit to a corporate totalitarian ruler.
A Big Brother that control their steps, everyone else‘s every step, their digital lives - and the walls of their garden.

I mean, this thread is full of such people and arguments:
  • „But having one centralised App Store is sooooo convenient“
  • „I bought the walled garden, I like a walled garden“
  • „They created the platform, they deserve to do as they please and charge who they want what they want“
  • „Only a centralised ruler can keep us all safe.“
  • „And just think about the children or the elderly and what they might install and what scams they might fall victim to! They don’t know what they’re doing and need to be protected and cocooned. They might even vape!“
👉🏻 The road to totalitarianism is paved with centralised and unitary control. Over communication and economy.
Has Apple ever arrested you? Have they ever audited your taxes? Have they ever dragged you out of your home or handcuffed you on the street for violating a mask order? Have they ever launched a war against a country?

Politicians, with salaries of roughly $200k per year, often each have a net worth of $1 million, $10 million, or even more. How do you suppose that happens? Why do you suppose the politicians are always pushing for more fees and higher taxes?

Bureaucrats, at the thousands of state and federal agencies, often have salaries far, far in excess of the working class - up to $500k per year or more. It is spectacularly naive to think they aren't motivated by profit and that they don't protect and promote their rice bowl.

“The road to totalitarianism is paved with centralised and unitary control. Over communication and economy.” That's exactly what China and other authoritarian governments do and, increasingly, it's what Western governments are pursuing. How can you not see this?

At the end of the day, you're choosing authoritarian rule by people with guns over free choice. It seems you've been so steeped in clichéd anti-capitalist lefty propaganda that you would happily accept whatever jail cell the government puts you in.
 
Again, it's still a lie. I provided the full quote. The DOJ is dishonestly replacing the subject of the sentence. The quote had nothing at all to do with "third-party messaging platforms".
Again, it's not a lie because you don't like the answer 🙄
 
Bureaucrats and politicians are motivated by profit and they ruthlessly defend and nurture the source of their profits, their benefactor - the state. This naive view that the state is staffed and run by wise people with only the best motives gives me the creeps and makes me despair for the future. It's the kind of thinking that leads to full blown totalitarianism.
I disagree. The peak of American prosperity was created with a robust regulatory state. I think your assumptions and generally cynical view of governance are precisely what gives purchase to tyrants.
 
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And still, there is no universal standard that Apple can use for end-to-end encryption in RCS. So I'm not sure what your point is. Apple would prefer to support a universal standard that is encrypted; but since one does not exist, Apple can't unilaterally implement something that doesn't exist.
Huh? They support SMS which is a universal standard that is not encrypted.

Let me ask you this... why is iMessage only available on the iPhone and not on Android? To sell more iPhone... correct? Imagine if iMessage was universal standard... which they have the power to do. Beeper showed that it's possible... I was able to put my phone number into the app (which was not associated with iMessage), then I was seen as an iMessage user.

Heck, Apple... was the leader behind USB-C when it was introduced, that's universally standard.
 
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This will have little impact on Apple. It will takes years to resolve and even then it will be a fine and that’s it. The stock is already rebounding, analysts predict substantial stock price increases. It’s not a big deal.
 
Where is the law that states Apple must use a new protocol version?
No where but the point is the degraded MMS and video quality in MMS being sent to and from iPhones is intentinally done by Apple and chances are they are doing it intentinally gimp them and make it look bad.

The person I quoted want to blame the carriers when the correct company to blame is 100% Apple for the degraded quality as Apple is choosing to use an outdated protocol. So MMS sucking going to Android phone is 100% on Apple and chances are they are doing it to make it painful and encourage people to buy iPhones. That behavior does not go well when one is trying to fight an Anti trust lawsuit as it is an example of anti trust behavior.

A single action not the issue but multiple ones and given the list there are quite a few to show a pattern. We know 100% MMS issues on photos and video is on Apple.
 
i'm assuming you mean RCS?
which Apple have said they will implement sometime soon.

and others have commented RCS has many many issues and wont solve everything either...

carriers dont like wasting data. they like low res files. less cost to transmit.

No just just RCS. I am talking their is a more modern version of the current MMS setup. Apple is the one compressing them. Carriers are not compressing them. It is on Apple. They are choosing to use an even outdated version of MMS and Apple could increase it.
 
Again I’m not understanding why people are defending Apple here. Apple is not your or my friend. It’s a business aims to extract and make you pay as much money as possible. The argument that once Apple provides API or services on Android that somehow your data will be less secure. That’s a load of BS. If that’s the case, how did Apple Music exist on Android? Shouldn’t we hear about alll the data breach and privacy issue already?

Apple is not much different than any other business. It is the goal of any and all for profit businesses to make as much money as possible. When defending Apple I am defending the right of businesses to make decisions about how they serve their clients. As a Canadian citizen I don't want the DoJ setting rules on how Apple needs to operate (given that changes in the US are likely to be replicated worldwide). Like hundreds of millions of Apple users I love the Apple ecosystem, it is why I have willfully chosen to purchase many Apple products. The Apple ecosystem is the reason I am willing to pay a premium for these products.

Apple chose to develop Apple Music for other platforms. They did so since it gave them access to a much wider market. That was THEIR choice and always should be. Our governments are not capable of setting meaningful tech regulation.

Whether they have revenues of one dollar or a trillion dollars all companies have to make decisions as to where they put their resources. How they make those decisions impacts how customer use and love their products. If the significant majority of all Apple customers love the lock in, why shouldn't we be allowed that choice. As much as it sucks to have a duopoly of Android or iOS I don't believe that there is room in the space for many players. The cost of building these platforms is in the tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars. No startup has a chance of making that happen.

What is the BS is that catering to the minority of users is going to bring meaningful change. I do believe that the result of all of this will be that Apple will allow a bit more flexibility to in setting default apps (I can use What's App as my default SMS client). I don't support in having the money I give to Apple being spent in delivering features for 1% of users.
 
60% is not dominate. In the lead, yeah.

And, cars do the same thing. Some offering Android and some offering CarPlay. And, some don't at all. In your mind, the government should go after GM for dropping CarPlay for their own. Right? I mean, if I want to buy a GM car, I have no choice. I guess they're restricting choice. Time to sue GM.

Oh shoot, Telsa has their own browser in the car. Time to sue Tesla for not letting me install my own browser.

The store down the street wouldn't take American Express. Time to sue them I guess since they are not offering a different payment system. Home Depot does do ApplePay. Time to sue Home Depot since they are not offering my dominate iPhone payment system.
Jesus christ these car analogies are dumb🤦‍♂️
 
Who though?
plenty of Fortune 500 companies issue enrolled MDM phones to their employees which places certain restrictions like not allowing iCloud backup or disallowing major version upgrades until at least 6 months-1 year has passed.

I know one person from IBM using 2 phones because his issued iPhone SE was substantially restricted by the company
Workers who have to maintain two devices for different lines and youtubers reviewing two handsets is not the same as buying an extra handset because an app you want isn't in your ecosystem.

It doesn't matter why they do it. You were saying people don't carry 2 phones. I'm saying plenty do and they get by, therefore the analogy of video game consoles apply. Yet you seem to apply one standard to phones and not to other electronic devices.

So if your solution is to buy another video game device, you can absolutely buy a second phone.
 
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I wish the DOJ would look into Amazon’s anticompetitive practices against its own sellers. Amazon is a real monopolist who controls a good chunk of the American economy.
 
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The US government has 330 million pockets to reach for cash in. Well, sometimes I carry my cash in a different pocket, so, more than 330 million pockets, I guess!

And they are not afraid to spend it!
But apples cash on hand is in the realm of billions, not millions. Apple will very likely drain US justice department budget if the case drags on for a decade or longer, unless US government takes extra steps to limit their ability to use said cash or other tactics.
 
Nonsene. Apple is not "degrading" the standards of SMS/MMS. This is such a blatant lie.
Apple is "Degrading" by using an outdate protocol. There is even a more modern version of MMS that is no RCS that would allow for higher quality pictures. Apple is choosing to using the oldest version that forcing the drop in quality. Simple fact is Apple is choosing to not update to reduce the quality and hurt being to work with non iOS. So not a lie.
 
Has Apple ever arrested you? Have they ever audited your taxes? Have they ever dragged you out of your home or handcuffed you on the street for violating a mask order? Have they ever launched a war against a country?

Politicians, with salaries of roughly $200k per year, often each have a net worth of $1 million, $10 million, or even more. How do you suppose that happens? Why do you suppose the politicians are always pushing for more fees and higher taxes?

Bureaucrats, at the thousands of state and federal agencies, often have salaries far, far in excess of the working class - up to $500k per year or more. It is spectacularly naive to think they aren't motivated by profit and that they don't protect and promote their rice bowl.

“The road to totalitarianism is paved with centralised and unitary control. Over communication and economy.” That's exactly what China and other authoritarian governments do and, increasingly, it's what Western governments are pursuing. How can you not see this?

At the end of the day, you're choosing authoritarian rule by people with guns over free choice. It seems you've been so steeped in clichéd anti-capitalist lefty propaganda that you would happily accept whatever jail cell the government puts you in.
Many of the highest paid corporate CEOs make hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Government worker salaries are set in civil service grade levels commensurate with their experience and seniority. Those salaries are competitive with what the job market pays for their experience and education.

Corporations are only beholden to their profit margins and share holders. No other public accountability. At least politicians are elected in a democracy and can be booted out. The real threat of authoritarianism is from a plutocracy, or society control by the private sector wealthy. This is essentially what's happened in Russia where elections are a farce and an elite wealthy class own the major industries and control the political system.
 
There is harm done to other developers:

…cause Apple‘s current business terms means high transaction costs to these developers.
Which in turn mean higher prices (harm) to consumers.

Apple‘s great trick: they’re not directly harming consumers - but have hidden that behind developers’ App Store pricing.

👉🏻 If an app or subscription is considered „expensive“ on the App Store, many customers will „blame“ that on or complain about the developer charging such a high price. Most people will mentally attribute it to the developer, few will ask why or attribute it to the high transaction costs.

„That App, subscription or developer is expensive“.
Not „Apple makes it so expensive by charging 30% commission

It’s a cognitive thing (often even if people rationally know better).
Same thing as with fuel prices or government taxes.
Yes, there is harm to other developers. The question is whether the DoJ is should be using antitrust to settle a dispute between business partners that is largely unrelated to consumers.

The idea that App Store pricing hurts consumers is not clear. Developers are angry at Apple because they want that money for themselves. It’s not clear it would be passed on to consumer. Sure, now they sell the app for cheaper on their websites, but that’s to show regulators that consumer harm was done. Not at all clear this lower price would continue in the future. Furthermore, consumers affirmatively choose Apple’s product, which has always had this limitation. And many of the limitations that developers hate, like limiting app tracking, forced integration with Apple Wallet and Apple Pay, IAP that makes it easy to unsubscribe, no battery-sucking chromium apps- benefit consumers at the expense of developers. Maybe it’s worth it to pay 30% for that. Importantly, there are alternative products available that don't have this limitation, yet consumers aren’t gravitating towards them.

Fundamentally, Apple is not a monopoly towards its customers, who choose freely to buy from it. It is a monopsony towards its developers, who have no choice but to sell on its store. Now I don’t know if the Sherman Act covers monopsony but it isn’t necessarily bad for consumers.

For example, the NHS has a monopsony over healthcare in the UK. If you’re a patient, you get free healthcare. If you’re a doctor, you get criminally underpaid. Breaking up the monopsony in this case would lead to higher prices. Now, one could argue that the NHS allocates resources inefficiently and encourages overuse of medical care that lead to waits and shortages because of the lack of price signals. One could argue that consumers would get better, higher-quality, more well-resourced medical care if the UK transitioned to a more free-market health system, even though they would pay more than they currently do (£0). But that’s an argument about capitalism vs socialism, and has nothing to do with antitrust law.

It‘s similar with Apple. One could argue that consumers would be better off with a more competitive app market overall because of innovation and market efficiencies, even if it means a less integrated and polished experience, where apps use more memory, do more tracking, aren’t in a single store, and are harder to unsubscribe from. But that is hard to prove and it certainly isn’t what is meant by consumer harm in antitrust law. You would be destroying features consumers actively want for future theoretical free market gains, with the immediate benefits accruing to multibillion dollar corporations.

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Apple is like "We innovate every day to make technology people love" while the iPhones are starting to look like Toyota vehicles with barely any changes each year. There is nothing innovative other than a new chip, each iPhone does the same thing.

I laughed at that. Bonus point for shoehorning the word 'Magical' into the statement aswell.
 
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Absolutely love this glorious takedown by Appleinsider:

“Then, too, the DOJ's wording seems less factual and more biased to personal preferences.
‘Apple has denied users access to high performing smartwatches with preferred styling, better user interfaces and services, or better batteries,’ it says.”


This lawsuit is mostly outdated and frivolous. What a joke.
Oh boy , an opinion piece by another Apple geared site 🙄
 
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