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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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Not seeing it yet. How is it a lie? What exactly is the difference? Android is 3rd party for Apple. Android is cross-platform for Apple. Both can be interchangeably used. The DOJ has access to the original document and you are basing your argument based on what you read in the Verge (or somewhere else, not sure). Excellent.
I agree that choice is good but you cannot make the statement that it guarantees better results. Apple will settle the suit but not by agreeing that it is at fault on all fronts. Apple will relax some of the restrictions.
I can get gas here in Toronto from three to four different suppliers. When those stations are on the same block, they all coincidentally the same price. Competition yes, price difference no.
and the problem with your entire argument is you have a flawed understanding of anti trust laws. Being a monopoly is not a requirement to be busted by it. Hell you dont even have to be the majority player to braking the law. It is more about your total market influence and is said company abusing its market influence to hurt competetion.
In terms of OS you have a duopoly right now. That is only a minor step better than a monopoly. Really to be bust by anti trust just being part of oligopoly is enough to be looked at and breaking the laws. There is no argument that you can make that Apple is not a major control at at least oligopoly level with more closer if not fully to the duopoly.
Are you really arguing that Apple does not have major influences over the mobile eco system and one of the 2 big players in it that affect everything? If you really think that 2 choices all that you need then I have a question for you
Would you rather sleep in say a green pile of poop or a brown pile of poop? It is a choice but both are poop and you come out smelling bad.
I apologize is this was posted previously. And I apologize to the admins here for the following link. I think it's a good read.
appleinsider.com
Apple is going to crush the DOJ in court if Garland sticks with outdated arguments
The Department of Justice's massive antitrust lawsuit against Apple is based on old information. Merrick Garland and company are going to lose big if they rely on arguments where practically every point made is no longer true.
TBH all three of those things are easily opted out of during Setup Assistant of the iPhone or any point thereafter.
If you still get those emails it’s because you left the boxes checked or allowed notifications. The badge is there usually because you chose “Setup Later in Settings but didn’t go there later and choose Don’t Use or whatever the wording is.
Apple should improve it by placing Don’t Use” directly under “Setup Later” on the initial screen. Submit feedback to Apple at Apple.com/feedback under iOS or iPhone. I’m sending mine now but it would help if more people do it so please consider taking a minute to do it now.
"Park said that there were certain “heavy limitations that users experienced when using a Galaxy Watch with iOS.” As per Park, the limitation wasn’t driven by the Watch but “by the core product” — which is the iPhone. He also said that the idea is to provide the best experience to our customers and with the iPhone it wasn’t possible."
Do you have an argument other than repeating an ad hominem fallacy three times?
"iMessage for Android" is not "third-party messaging platforms". The DOJ deliberately misquoted Federighi.
Interfering with the creation or use of third-party messaging platforms should be investigated by the DOJ. Whether Apple chose to release iMessage on Android should not.
iMessage is not a "third-party messaging platform". Neither is Android. But you know that.
I provided you with a direct quote and a link. The DOJ deliberately left "iMessage for Android" off as the subject of the quote.
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Well, to be fair, most analysts are saying the same thing…
Now we just need to get "the real scoop" from author Cim Took who writes "unbiased Apple takes" on his Substack blog
If there's just one more choice than currently, then it is indeed better. Again, not sure why you are against choice. If you like to keep using iPhone and all Apple's service, no one is stopping you. How would this make it worse?
Gas stations if they can't compete on prices, they compete on rewards programs, the facility, the cleanness of their bathroom or how good their coffee is. When there is competition, there is innovation.
iPhone has become so BORING after years of the same thing, because they took customers for granted. This will light fire under them and we will see a much more exciting smart phone landscape and apps in the coming years.
Wrong. Most analysts are bullish.
Analysts have a bold take on the DOJ suit against Apple - TheStreet
Shares of Apple took a 4% dip after the suit was filed.
www.thestreet.com
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Analysts say Apple will win DoJ case, but it will take years
With the earliest possible trial date start likely in late 2026, analysts are generally nonplussed by the Department of Justice omnibus antitrust suit and are telling investors to stick with Apple.
You seem to have a high opinion of Apple. Please read the following.
Thanks for sharing, Cory Doctorow always interesting.
Wrong— Galaxy watches can be paired with iPhones. The misinformation from some people on this site is ridiculous.
“Don’t fret if you have an iPhone. Many are compatible and can connect to a Galaxy Watch or Gear. You'll get the best compatibility by updating iOS to the latest version. Download Galaxy Wearablefor your device from the App Store.”
As for Google watches not working with iPhone, who’s responsible for that?
Sorry, but this is the worst take— If the iPhone has become boring (which I dispute) it’s not because of the lack of competition but because Apple consistently outperforms the competition and consumers have overwhelmingly chosen Apple. Now they have been so successful, the government wants to take a bite out of them.
No factual argument or reasoning whatsoever. 🤷‍♀️
I don't think Apple can be disputed or negotiated with. Apple are setting their business terms unilaterally and there's literally nothing developers can do about it - except leave the platform altogether (which is as inane and self-destructive as Apple leaving Europe, as has been proposed on this forum).
It's not exactly clear or quantifiable - but in competitive markets, something is passed down to consumers.
That's laughable. iPhone has been boring for many years now. Every year is the same thing, how can anyone dispute that? Unless you are Sheaaple. On the hardware front, Apple certainly doesn't outperform the competition (USB-C in year 2023?) and is severely lacking behind Samsung. Consumers chose Apple BECAUSE there's no other choice once locked in wall garden. You are making government's case for them.
Many prisoners are fine with being in prison. Does that mean you want to be arrested and put in prison?
(Yes, I also made this claim up on the spot and have no idea if it's true)
No it is safe to say many prisoners are fine with being in prison. Many is just a number. You can have less 0.01% of prisoners being happy and still have many prison happy.
That’s not bullying. You know that.The entire lawsuit is full of those examples
If you use a word at least use it correctly.
The wording of the DoJ list is waffle, vague, feel good and at times just plain wrong.
Saying users are trapped buying watches and forced to keep buying them. No, you buy a Watch knowing it requires an iPhone. The two pieces of hardware need each other. You buy them, the work. That’s it. It’s your choice if you decide to keep upgrading them. As processors and sensors are added it’s attractive to upgrade. Pretty much what every other hardware manufacturer has ever done. Jobs was very much in awe of the Sony model where incremental changes each year kept customers buying their products. Adding just enough new things to encourage upgrades. And it’s not unique. Samsung do the same with all their products.
What’s going to happen is what happens in all of these kinds of cases:
Public announcement covering a wide range of iasues
As time goes on and press coverage fades, the DOJ will continue to whittle the scope down to things that actually make sense
Years from now a settlement will be announced, while Company X or Y has been putting the mitigations in place.
Big splash, ends with a small whimper.
I still think some of the statements show a clear lack of *technical* understanding. Much in the same way the FBI insisted for years that Apple could magically design encryption that allows a back door for law enforcement without compromising the entire security paradigm. Nonsensical and technically impossible on its face, but lawmakers still demanded it.
Over 1000 comments. People really have reacted to the Apple train potentially about to come off the rails.