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can’t wait for apple’s awful walled garden to get gutted like a fish. even if this case isn’t the mechanism, it’ll fall now that the previously widely held delusion of a future technocratic utopia is laughably embarrassing. sycophantic trillion dollar corporation fanboys stay mad, it’s gonna happen no matter how many cringey appeals to your adolescent libertarian-brained free market ideology you make ✌️😎
May not happen as you believe or want.
 
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I have an iPhone 12 Pro Max (likely getting the 16 Pro Max) the Apple Watch Ultra(1), Apple TV, iPad Pro(m1) and an M2 Mac mini. I decide whether I want to upgrade products every year. The assertions that the product can and should go through a transformation every year is laughable.
You can only decide which Apple product to upgrade because Apple is the only choice.

Even with all of its resources and money Apple struggles to hire enough people to keep their products secure. Forcing them to "waste" any time on features that will benefit only a very small percentage of users. I am saying that being forced to cater to those users that may not even be customers sets a really bad precedent. Creating an Apple Music client is very different than enabling iCloud sync and or iMessage on Windows with the OS intergration that may be required. Apples duty is only to its employees, customers and shareholders.
That's laughable to think that a 3T (TRILLION) dollar company can't and doesn't have resource to work on this. Come on now, this is not your mom and pop shop. You are giving Apple WAY too little credit. And I would argue it's not a 'very small percentage' of users. In the beginning maybe only a few will move away, but slowly and gradually as competitive products get better and more 'apple' like, more and more will move.

As an Apple customer, I get little or no value of extending iMessage to Android users.
Great, so you don't have friends that run Android, congrats? What if there are people who do and are Apple users? Screw them right? And if it's open, my question remains, exactly what harm will you get as iPhone user? nothing will happen to you besides now you can't laugh at people with green bubble. What else?

But that should be a choice, not something legislated by the DoJ. If enough iPhone customers complained about this it would be there already.
Where have you been? People have been complaining for YEARS since iMessage came out, but Apple hides behind its BS excuse of security and blah blah that only Apple knows what's best for you. Apple will never change had it not been the antitrust.

Why should Apple have to make its products work on Android if Milwaukee and Dewalt are able to create "walled gardens" that are mated to a battery.
No because you have a choice of choosing between Milwaukee or Dewalt set, neither one of them is withholding any basic function that if you switch brand you will lose.
 
So you've not actually read the filing then? Just strutting around spouting the same old rubbish.

Most of the document is written by old men who have zip all idea how technology work... and Most of this is NOTHING to do with the App Store. It's almost entirely aimed at cutting Apples fees from Apple Pay that the Banks have to pay. That is the main agenda. Nothing else.
And you do realize they have people under them that do know :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
So 17 years from now, after Apple has spent billions in R&D growing the virtual glasses market from nothing, and Vision Pro is the market leader, can we expect a DOJ lawsuit accusing Apple of being a mean monopolist and not allowing its competitors to free ride on the platform it built from scratch?
That's some real fantasy there...
 
Got something to back up this claim? I mean, you or someone must have surveyed every single developer to arrive at that conclusion, otherwise you're just pulling it out of your rear.
well, just by looking at apple App Store revenue and comparing it to the revenue of the play store - which is the de-facto place to get sw for your android device and happens to have about 4 or 5 times as much potential customers as apple's App Store, a very clear picture can be seen about developer preferences.

no questions though that every single developer would've preferred an agreement with less (or even no) fees, yet here they are, trying to sell their digital goods to a minority group on the smartphone market.
 
The DOJ wants backdoors to Apple's security. Apple isn't ever going to do that so the DOJ is doing its best to weaken the platform and they figure the best shot at doing that is forcing Apple to open up.

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That's laughable to think that a 3T (TRILLION) dollar company can't and doesn't have resource to work on this. Come on now, this is not your mom and pop shop. You are giving Apple WAY too little credit. And I would argue it's not a 'very small percentage' of users. In the beginning maybe only a few will move away, but slowly and gradually as competitive products get better and more 'apple' like, more and more will move.

Great software engineers are hard to find. And not all of those want to work for Apple. The ability for Apple and the rest if the industry to hire great talent is limited by factors other than their revenues.

No because you have a choice of choosing between Milwaukee or Dewalt set, neither one of them is withholding any basic function that if you switch brand you will lose.
Yes there are, they each have tools that the other doesn't. You buy into the ecosystem. If you buy an Android app should you get it for free when you switch.
 
Apple is like "We innovate every day to make technology people love" while the iPhones are starting to look like Toyota vehicles with barely any changes each year. There is nothing innovative other than a new chip, each iPhone does the same thing.

What industry do you work in that sees major change every year? The processors push the envelope of what is possible every year.
 
That's all fine and well for you, but many, many iPhone users will be vulnerable to all sorts of malware and problems. If they're forced to open things up, I sure hope Apple gives me a way to prevent my parents and in-laws from installing anything from outside the App Store, because I don't want to be tech support for family members who clicked something in a browser and it installed some malware app and now nothing on their phone works.
No they won't, they can just keep using the phone exactly how it is now :rolleyes:
 
I really don't care if Apple opens things (though I fear it for a huge portion of the population who are going to have their phones hijacked by software they thought looked legit). There is not a single app from any developer I would download from outside of the App Store, so it won't affect me much either way.

What I hate is the government telling a company how it has to run its business model when there are alternatives in the marketplace. Maybe Apple should give people the option to install Android and direct people to Google support if they have problems.
Stick to the Apple store and you'll be fine, we promise :rolleyes:
 
They put all their eggs in the iPhone market, and now they live or die by essentially a single major product. Lack of diversification and subsequent innovation led to much of this.

The Apple wearables business is by itself a $40 Billion dollar segment. I don't know what you think that this is trivial.
 
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Even though there is a solution that is so simple that a 27-year-old working alone could come up with a more secure solution using Apple's technologies only, Apple ignored it for profits. So, you think that is fine?

A 27 year old built a prototype. One with glaring security holes. Scaling that solution to two billion people would be much more difficult. That scaling could have been impossible beyond a million daily users. That 27 year old also did not need to build a support model. Still a great initiative for a young software developer. No one has said that bringing iMessage to the non Apple world is impossible. It is however much more difficult than some would make it out to be.
 
In your opinion 🙄
This isn't an opinion. State where they have been found to be a monopoly? To be a monopoly you have to be the only 1 (hence the mono in monopoly). They are not the only one. At best they are a duopoly when it comes to operating systems used on mobile phones. While they did not always used to be a duopoly in the OS space. They didn't do anything to force out competition in the space. Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, WindowsCE, Symbian, WebOS, etc. All failed on their own. And we still have plenty of hardware vendors out there competing with Apple's iPhone.

Google is open by default. Everything you want to do is possible with an Android OS. So Apple has competition in the space. And even though Apple has chosen to be a closed system. People still purchase their products. More in the US than the rest of the world. Knowing exactly what it is how it works and what you get for the money. If at any point you don't like it or don't agree with the "Apple" way of doing things. You can move away from it to another device and OS that will cover all the needs you may have or want. They both have the ability to help you migrate to and from each other with a USB cable. All your data goes across. You will have to get your apps again, but that is a small price to pay to be able to go between when you want.

No one is trapped. No one is forced. The door swings both ways.
 
Why can't you get the Galaxy Watch? Samsung's site says it does work with iPhone. My Samsung Fit worked fine with my iPhone, certainly better than my Moto 360 did.
Because they don't work...

  • Galaxy Watch4, Watch5, and Watch6: These watches rely on Google Play services which is not supported on iOS.
  • Gear 1, Gear 2, Gear S, and Gear Fit: These watches are not supported on iOS.
 
A 27 year old built a prototype. One with glaring security holes. Scaling that solution to two billion people would be much more difficult. That scaling could have been impossible beyond a million daily users. That 27 year old also did not need to build a support model. Still a great initiative for a young software developer. No one has said that bringing iMessage to the non Apple world is impossible. It is however much more difficult than some would make it out to be.
What security hole? Beeper was using fake credentials whereas Apple would not need to. Beeper mini had local and end-to-end encryption, whereas Apple's solution of SMS did not have that.

U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) shamed Apple for its intervention in a post on X, formerly Twitter, saying “Green bubble texts are less secure. So why would Apple block a new app allowing Android users to chat with iPhone users on iMessage? Big Tech executives are protecting profits by squashing competitors. Chatting between different platforms should be easy and secure,” she wrote.
 
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So, what? You think the court is going to throw the case out of the court because the AG paraphrased what the Federighi said by using a different set of words? Don't you think you are reaching?
No. I think a majority of the case is solid and appropriate. But supporting a case doesn't keep me from acknowledging a lie and other flaws in the DOJs statement. It also doesn't mean I have to support all the points the DOJ made.

But why do you feel the need to defend the lie? There's certainly a difference between lying and paraphrasing.

It's not a lie because you don't like it 🙄
Again, it's not a lie because you don't like the answer 🙄
No. It's a lie because it's a deliberate falsehood.
 
No. I think a majority of the case is solid and appropriate. But supporting a case doesn't keep me from acknowledging a lie and other flaws in the DOJs statement. It also doesn't mean I have to support all the points the DOJ made.

But why do you feel the need to defend the lie? There's certainly a difference between lying and paraphrasing.



No. It's a lie because it's a deliberate falsehood.
It's a lie because it blows up your narrative, nothing more..,
 
This isn't an opinion. State where they have been found to be a monopoly? To be a monopoly you have to be the only 1 (hence the mono in monopoly). They are not the only one. At best they are a duopoly when it comes to operating systems used on mobile phones. While they did not always used to be a duopoly in the OS space. They didn't do anything to force out competition in the space. Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, WindowsCE, Symbian, WebOS, etc. All failed on their own. And we still have plenty of hardware vendors out there competing with Apple's iPhone.

Google is open by default. Everything you want to do is possible with an Android OS. So Apple has competition in the space. And even though Apple has chosen to be a closed system. People still purchase their products. More in the US than the rest of the world. Knowing exactly what it is how it works and what you get for the money. If at any point you don't like it or don't agree with the "Apple" way of doing things. You can move away from it to another device and OS that will cover all the needs you may have or want. They both have the ability to help you migrate to and from each other with a USB cable. All your data goes across. You will have to get your apps again, but that is a small price to pay to be able to go between when you want.

No one is trapped. No one is forced. The door swings both ways.
What do you think they are being investigated for now? Like I said, it's your opinion 🤦‍♂️🙄
 
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