It’s MY data. If I want to share it with another company, Apple should have no say in that.
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Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
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Macs don't have the same installed user base that iOS/iPhones do. Therefore, iPhone users would become a MUCH bigger target of malware and viruses than MacOS is in danger of being.
It an old argument against the user base is much greater so is the chance of malware. Really it's dependent on what OS security is involved and what remediation measures are used to negate it before harm. Most of the MacOS instances have been trojans where you click on something you downloaded that isn't what it is purported to be. Malware scanner on MacOS is mostly used to prevent a host from spreading files/data/apps that might have come from a windows user and could be spread to other windows users.
Since mobile OS are more of a target for phishing information such as financial data or personal data that is the real reason there is more of an malware emphasis then to compare a desktop OS.
they dont strangle non iPhones...
they just use the SMS and MMS messaging as fallback on non iPhones.
the same crap old standard that was never meant for high res or large videos.
the MMS file size is set (and compressed at upload) by the carrier. not Apple.
you know this. it's been written so many times in these posts.
Apple extended messaging using their servers to other iOS users.
EXTENDED not crippled.
No, they strangle non-iphones, that's part of their business strategy. Again, I'm not passing moral or legal judgement here, but part of anti-trust is playing nice with others. Plenty of other businesses do it and personally (as a non legal entity of course) I don't think it amounts to anti-trust, yet at least. Now once they start approaching Microsoft's numbers in the 90s on PC that may be a different story, but for now Android has enough of a presence where consumers have choices.
Nonsense, pure and utter nonsense, it's just Apple marketing speak for keeping consumers in their walled garden and keeping their developer fees rolling. If they could go back in time they would change MacOS as well. I'll patiently wait to see the deluge of virus laden hijacked iPhones in the EU.
Here's another disconnect I will never understand, assuming you are telling me I should switch to a 3rd party messaging app. Getting hundreds of business contacts, personal contacts, friends, family, etc to all switch to a 3rd party messaging app and use it with only myself is really impossible. Unfortunately in the US we are stuck with a majority of iPhone users, so if you are out of that loop you are going to have some pain.
What is there about iMessaging that impairs receiving/sending texts w/images to android phones or web FOB verification for gaining entry to secure web sites? I don't see the strangling in normal use as I interact with Android phone users. No they don't have RCS yet, but good old SMS/MMS works. When RCS support arrives sometime in 2024 is that going to appease this complaint?
What is RCS messaging? A briefing on the SMS successor
What is RCS? Rich Communication Services messaging is the next-generation SMS with group chats, video, audio, and images. Here's what you need to know.
www.digitaltrends.com
BINGO. As much as I blame the carriers for turning down iMessage and killing RCS, at the end of the day it's the politicians and federal watchdogs who should be monitoring and enforcing this. As much as I despise Apple for their $E$#* walled garden I feel they are entitled to it as a business. So now after almost 20 years of not enforcing RCS as a standard and pretty much setting the stage for Apple wanting to make their own messaging standard, and even Google gave up and made their own fork of RCS, *NOW* the government wants to step in and take action? Kind of pisses me off that we'll most likely get some god-awful piecemeal deal in maybe 10 years when this blows over that isn't much better than the junk we have today.
That's great if you only use SMS/MMS protocols, but I don't, and you can't say that a majority of consumers don't buy their phones to not enjoy sending a video/picture where you can actually make out what the video/picture is of, don't even get me started on the group chat fiasco.
What is there about iMessaging that impairs receiving/sending texts w/images to android phones or web FOB verification for gaining entry to secure web sites? I don't see the strangling in normal use as I interact with Android phone users. No they don't have RCS yet, but good old SMS/MMS works. When RCS support arrives sometime in 2024 is that going to appease this complaint?
What is RCS messaging? A briefing on the SMS successor
What is RCS? Rich Communication Services messaging is the next-generation SMS with group chats, video, audio, and images. Here's what you need to know.
When I send pictures/videos they get compressed down to a few mb making them literally useless. Group chats get screwed up if you get an Android user in them. Lack of encryption. Those are my personal beefs and why I feel Apple strangles you if you are an Android user, it just becomes a heck of a lot easier to communicate with people if you just get an iPhone. When RCS arrives, *assuming* Apple does the basics of being able to send 100mb compressed videos/pictures and seamless group chats, personally I'll be satisfied although I'd love to see encryption (which is probably impossible anyway because of how the messaging will be routed). I have a feeling that most consumers will be satisfied as well, and then Apple can rely on the extra features iMessage has to entice consumers, nothing wrong with that. I just feel that a "basic" level of communication should be required for interoperability between devices, and that "basic" standard has evolved over the years and SMS/MMS just don't cut it, similar to how the FCC recently increased how much the most "basic" internet plan should have for bandwidth.
Thanks for the explanation. There is more justification for Apple to simply produce the iMessage update within 17.x supporting RCS now that DOJ was ragging about this. Doesn't need to wait until iOS18 IMHO.
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Just another way to say “if you don’t like it buy an Android.”
This is exactly one of the reasons Governments are putting Apple in their crosshairs.
I just looked and up through 3 they were via Wear. Yet my Garmin is supported on all. Oh, and outside the iOS world, Samsung watches pretty much work on all other Android OEM’s. So I would have to say your assumption is a bit off.
Not sure where you were going with this. I bought my AWU1 and knew this.
As for iMessage, that is an Apple decision. After almost doing it, Apple decided to restrict iMessage to Apple devices in an effort to minimize users from moving from iOS to Android. Apple could have become the default messaging standard but elected for lock-in instead. It was never about carriers, it has always been about control.
Basic notifications would be cool. Maybe basic exercise info. Maybe basic location - GPS?
My Fenix gets all that and more. So why not?
It won’t surprise if Apple still pulls some stunt like major compression once RCS goes live in iOS. Hoping not but ….
No, they're not. They're just forced to. That's the same if you say "People in Russia are happy about their government, otherwise they would just protest.".
I love how so many people assume Apple’s only motivation is to lock out and punish non-Apple users, as if there were no other possible reasons for their design, software and security decisions. I think they’ve seen too many James Bond villains in movies. I was a very longtime Intel/Windows person. I got curious and tried an iMac. I did not hesitate to go Apple, still very happy with all my Apple devices but also how well they work with other tech I have. Ben in the IT field for decade, not a novice. My wife is a long time Windows user and very happy iPhone, Apple Watch user.
Not a big fan of politically motivated DOJ actions. This has nothing to do with users but will gladly put them against each other to help enhance the political agenda of those heading the DOJ. Not an accident that this comes during an election year.
Not a big fan of politically motivated DOJ actions. This has nothing to do with users but will gladly put them against each other to help enhance the political agenda of those heading the DOJ. Not an accident that this comes during an election year.
Free? Free? What does Apple provide for free? That's hilarious. But in answer to your question I would personally pay a monthly sub for iMessage on Android and I have a feeling a lot of Android users would.
Its only free in the context that it is bundled with the OS associated with any Apple computing device (AVP/iPhone/iPad/Mac).
If this was a subscription service that might cause Apple to provide that.
go reread the comment.
replacing Internet Explorer with another BROWSER that has one function, to access the internet and present webpages is totally different to sideloading any app and requiring the OS to modified to allow it.
you aren't doing your case any service with such tangential and factually wrong "conclusions".
and how good they have a bug bountry. encourage more testing and reporting errors before they can be exploited.
other companies do the same.
you really are stretching things to make some weird justification. it sounds desperate to be honest...
how are they strangling non iPhones? it has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, that Apple uses its own servers to send large files that SMS and MMS cant handle to other Apple users. That's added functionality. Not strangling. You need an Apple ID to make this work. The fact it is handled seemlessly inside Messages, just like multiple small SMSes are grouped and presented nicely, is a function of the app overcoming technology limits.
On the same page now?
I dont think I can bear repeating this again to you...
Nothing to do with users? Being able to sideload on iPhone wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users? Being able to use third party app stores with iPhone wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users? Being able to use alternative payments systems on iPhone wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users? Being able to use Apple Watch with Android phones wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users? More non-AW smartwatches being able to work or work better on iPhone wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users? Being able to use iMessage on Android phones wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users? Reducing or eliminating "switching barriers" in the smartphone/smartwatch market wouldn't be desirable or beneficial to users?
To which users and what degree may vary but there are plenty of potential user benefits behind this.
The DOJ investigation has been going on since 2019. These things take time.