As I said earlier in this thread, I must be the exception, because I feel my phone runs better on iOS 7 on my 4 than iOS 6 did. I do consider myself to be a power user too.
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As I said earlier in this thread, I must be the exception, because I feel my phone runs better on iOS 7 on my 4 than iOS 6 did. I do consider myself to be a power user too.
Nope. They might be getting hit by auto app updates, etc being on with iTunes set to allow cell data use. And if you were arguing these should be off by default I would totally agree.
But auto IOS updates are, like auto iCloud backups, only via wifi.
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Guess you forgot about the bugs in iOS 6. Like the major bug that had wifi reporting it was on but in fact iPhones were slurping up cell data at crazy amounts. Some folks were on the hook for hundreds of dollars in overages.
No iOS version has been 100% perfect. Nor any OS X version.
"Guess you forgot about the bugs in iOS 6. Like the major bug that had wifi reporting it was on but in fact iPhones were slurping up cell data at crazy amounts. Some folks were on the hook for hundreds of dollars in overages.
No iOS version has been 100% perfect. Nor any OS X version."
iOS6 started out buggy but over time it was improved to a point it runs nearly flawless, today.
And it is today's standard iOS6 users are comparing with today's standards for iOS7.
It may not be fair in the long run, but for the short term, it is what it is.
No iOS version has been 100% perfect. Nor any OS X version."
iOS6 started out buggy but over time it was improved to a point it runs nearly flawless, today.
And it is today's standard iOS6 users are comparing with today's standards for iOS7.
It may not be fair in the long run, but for the short term, it is what it is.
I'm one of those who doesn't want IOS7 yet and yes, it's been downloaded to my iPad4. It would have been downloaded to my iPhone 4s, but I don't have enough room. I take a lot of pics and video and prefer to keep as much of my camera roll on the phone as possible. Imagine if I went to shoot a video, thinking I had plenty of space, only to find out I didn't because IOS7 was taking up what little space I had left.
The user should be the one to say yes or no to a software download. No, I won't 'just update to IOS7 and get over it". When I get the 5s, I'll be forced into it, but I can wait until the initial hardware and software bugs are ironed out. IOS6 is working just fine for me thank you, and I LIKE SKEUMORPHISM. The UI in 7 left a pit in my stomach when it was unveiled and I will only use it when I'm forced to. I like change and refresh as much as anyone... just not the direction Apple chose this time around. And frankly, I thought I would never have to say that.
The user should be the one to say yes or no to a software download. No, I won't 'just update to IOS7 and get over it". When I get the 5s, I'll be forced into it, but I can wait until the initial hardware and software bugs are ironed out. IOS6 is working just fine for me thank you, and I LIKE SKEUMORPHISM. The UI in 7 left a pit in my stomach when it was unveiled and I will only use it when I'm forced to. I like change and refresh as much as anyone... just not the direction Apple chose this time around. And frankly, I thought I would never have to say that.
Reread what I posted. I'm not talking about cellular data... people's home internet, ie. their wifi, can be severely capped and have extremely high charges in certain places, both within North America (think remote areas where "home" internet relies on cell towers), or other places in the world.
Some people can pay tens or hundreds of dollars for an extra GB of their home data.
If it has the free space, is plugged in, and on wifi, it likely already has. You can determine this by going to General-Software Update. Look underneath the version that's in bold type. It will say Apple Inc. and below that... Downloaded. Congratulations, you've lost some space for your user content.
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I have to say I agree with him. We should have the right to chose, they are our devices. iOS7's made my iPad 2 slower to open apps and much slower in Safari, even with all the 'speed up older devices' advice I've followed (and yes it's an older, but in my book not very old). So now for avoiding a slow-down on my iPhone 4S, I've lost 3gb I can't get back- storage I paid extra for when I chose iPhone models.
So yes, in Apple's culture where they ignore complaints from their customers, a lawsuit, (however silly) is the only way to get their attention. I could do a lot with those wasted 3gb and until they work out all the bugs slowing down iOS7, I'd also like them back. (And no, it will probably never be acceptably fast on an iPhone 4, that kind of thing pretty much killed my iPhone 3G and part of me still believes it's intentional).
So yes, in Apple's culture where they ignore complaints from their customers, a lawsuit, (however silly) is the only way to get their attention. I could do a lot with those wasted 3gb and until they work out all the bugs slowing down iOS7, I'd also like them back. (And no, it will probably never be acceptably fast on an iPhone 4, that kind of thing pretty much killed my iPhone 3G and part of me still believes it's intentional).
I don't know.... past updates that were said to work with older devices bogged them down, slowed them down, and only select features worked on the device. When I had my 3G, I regretted an update (might have been ios 4 or 5, cant remember) as it made EVERYONES 3G devices almost unusable.... and it took Apple 2 months to finally fix it with a 3G specific update.
IOS 7 is also the most bugged released of IOS ever, and is filling up tech news and major news sites on a daily basis. I don't blame the guy for either skipping or maybe wanting to wait for a few point releases with some much needed fixes.
You fan boys are ridiculous that flame the guy. We ALL KNOW Apple never admits a problem, and takes their sweet time to render a fix for them. If they were more responsive as a company to these issues, people wouldn't sue so dramatically.
I mean hello.... a year later and almost a new OS release, and macbooks waking from sleep still take several minutes.... do you see Apple rendering a fix? Uh, no....
Can someone tell me how to remove the download of ios7 that is sitting on my iphone, without having to do a full restore and lose all my data. I have never installed ios7 yet it's taking up space on my Other data, So how do I remove it so I can get that space back?
I think apple needs to add compatibility modes to run older apps.
I sure Hope Maverick doesn't have the fruit loop color scheme.
My wife refuses to upgrade here phone, she hates the colors.
I like the updates but do agree I would like to have the option for a different color scheme.
I did upgrade my phone but am waiting on my iPad. I've been burned to many times where apps no longer work.
Developers are still rolling out updates, many of my apps are from developers that have made one or two and then have given up so they will never be updated. Some of them are my favorite utilities and games.Based on what doesn't run on my iPhone I will wait.
I think apple needs to add compatibility modes to run older apps.
As far as apple automatically downloading IOS 7. Some of us that live out in the middle of know where and have data caps. 1 gig of data is 1/20 of my monthly allowance @ $120 a month. I know highway robbery. The second point is data storage on my devices. At what apple charges you for the extra storage between models tying this space up for something that you don't want and never gave permission to is something I would be upset about too.
I sure Hope Maverick doesn't have the fruit loop color scheme.
My wife refuses to upgrade here phone, she hates the colors.
I like the updates but do agree I would like to have the option for a different color scheme.
I did upgrade my phone but am waiting on my iPad. I've been burned to many times where apps no longer work.
Developers are still rolling out updates, many of my apps are from developers that have made one or two and then have given up so they will never be updated. Some of them are my favorite utilities and games.Based on what doesn't run on my iPhone I will wait.
I think apple needs to add compatibility modes to run older apps.
As far as apple automatically downloading IOS 7. Some of us that live out in the middle of know where and have data caps. 1 gig of data is 1/20 of my monthly allowance @ $120 a month. I know highway robbery. The second point is data storage on my devices. At what apple charges you for the extra storage between models tying this space up for something that you don't want and never gave permission to is something I would be upset about too.
These ios 6 lovers are really insane
These ios 7 lovers are really insane
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He needs to just upgrade and stop being so ridiculous about it. Although, then he is going to start suing over the icons and the animations.
How do you know what HE needs to do ? What will you say if I would tell you need to switch to the windows tablet and stop complaining already, the win tablet (or android) is great. I'm guessing you would be pissed ?
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If someone has a problem should shut up and thrown on an island, but god forbid you should have a problem like your phone crashing or space disappearing without you knowing why - I'm sure you would throw a fit.
I didn't say there was a contract claim, you did (but there is indeed a contract claim, just not the one you pointed to, involving written terms). I pointed out there is nothing in the contract (EULA) about background downloads. So if Apple, or you, want to claim they are protected by the EULA, you have the onus to demonstrate what about that contract allows Apple to preload software updates on the phone. Find some substantiation for your claim.
In short, as we know consumer laws grant consumers who feel they have been deceived or unfairly treated by a business the right to file a claim in court and to request that they receive monetary compensation for the loss they have suffered as a result of those unfair/deceptive practices. In other words, when I purchase an item from a business that is selling an item, there is a contract between me and the business that the item sold will meet the advertised specifications of the product. Here the question pertains to false advertising regarding storage capacity on the device. You want to claim Apple is not liable because of the EULA, so again, what specifically in the EULA protects Apple? Can you provide concrete citations to defend your claim? Because right now it looks like the storage capacity is being limited/reduced in a way that was never agreed upon during the purchase of the device, nor upon the acceptance of the EULA.
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That was actually my point.. It's the pot calling the kettle black. I use a few apps that I pay monthly for and it's called piracy while others pass around their passwords while thinking nothing about it.
Although I think piracy may be the wrong word for sharing Netflix. Especially if one is paying for a service on a certain number of devices.. You choose the device.
well it is an issue. Ever since the DMCA comsumers have been treated like tenants, not owners of their media devices.People sue for just about anything when they're bored, don't they?
There is no loss. There is no guarantee of specific space used or not used by the os. Moreover any "loss" is fixed by updating. There is no consumer claim.
Ive been pretty shocked reading the majority of comments in this thread. Its no wonder Apple "fanboys" have a bad reputation. It appears to some people Apple can do no wrong.
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Fair play to this chap. You communicate with the company first, but if that gets you no-where, the next step is the small claims court. Works exactly the same in the UK. Thats what the small claims court is designed for - the average person to take on the might of powerful companies when they refuse to listen.
A quick search online reveals:
Fair play to this chap. You communicate with the company first, but if that gets you no-where, the next step is the small claims court. Works exactly the same in the UK. Thats what the small claims court is designed for - the average person to take on the might of powerful companies when they refuse to listen.
Isn't it obvious ? He won't upgrade to iOS 7 yet, because he'll not be able to jailbreak and pirate apps. But he still has the nerve to sue.
I doubt they will ever allow downgrading but I really hope they disable automatic downloading.
From a design point of view, it's just incredibly stupid to download a 3 gb file to a mobile device that may never be used and cannot be deleted.
From a design point of view, it's just incredibly stupid to download a 3 gb file to a mobile device that may never be used and cannot be deleted.
Link to where it says he is jail broken and used pirate apps please?
Thought not
Also, are you implying that all people that jailbreak use pirate apps?
Well said. I just wish people would stop replying to my original post. I've had like 20 replies and I cba to read them all.
This.
His complaint is legitimate, so are his actions.
Fanbois spouting guff about 'jailbreaking' etc. haven't got the first clue.
I had the exact same problem last year (from iOS5 to iOS6) and there was f-all I could do about it.
There is a loss of space/storage capacity.
Yes there is, go check the tech specs, the storage capacity is advertised as x - formatting requirements. When I walk into an Apple store I can check on the demo units what the storage space is for a similar unit that I will purchase, and I can except the storage to be the same as the demo unit (if I'm not happy I can even return the device). And as far as the OS requirements, that can be examined prior to installing any subsequent OS that did not come with the device at the time of purchase. The consumer can decide whether or not a future update that will use of x amount of space is worth it to them or not. They are not obliged by any contract to update.
Being forced to upgrade was never part of the bargain. Nowhere in the EULA or in the advertising of the device prior to purchase was it ever stated that updates might be necessary in order to continue to use the device. This is not a solution. The item was sold with either iOS 5 or iOS 6 on it, and it is entirely up to the consumer to choose whether or not to upgrade to iOS 7.
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AT&T has data caps on all their home internet plans. I would think AT&T represents more than 1% of the US home ISPs, yes?
I'm not going to read through almost 400 comments to see if this has been brought up, mainly because it's a pain, but to all of you that say "Live in the moment, not the past" or "Upgrade to IOS7, there's nothing there that wasn't in IOS6," "there's no reason to stay with 6 since 7 is better" or whatever, and other comments like that.
Try using IOS7 with Voice OVer, and no sight... Unfortunately, an upgrade to IOS7 can be almost devastating to the blind community. Of all the people I know with devices that upgraded to IOS7, each, and every one of them, myself included wishes they either hadn't upgraded, or could easily roll back. IOS7 may have brought many new improvements for *most* individuals, but for us in the VI/blind world, accessibility has taken several steps backward. Things like the back/forward/pages button along the bottom of Safari disappearing on over 90 percent of pages, the cursor jumping randomly to the extreme bottom or top of the page when reading, in the middle of a sentence, having to click on web bars, password fields, and several other buttons 2, 3, up to 6 times for them to activate, andmany other things I won't make a huge list of.
I'm not saing everyone should stay with IOS6, and I'm not saying everyone should goto 7. All I'm saying is that there are people out there, that have reasons to go one way or another, and some of you should think about that before jumping down someone's throat about it. If I could easily roll back, but the IOS7 update stayed there, remindingme constantly, and taking up 3 gigs of space, I'd be irritated too. I didn't by an iPhone, to have apple decide that beyond the actual IOS system I'm running, as well as app storage, they want to use up other space on my device. Maybe if I could toss in external storage to hold music, and movies or podcasts and such, it would be less of a complaint?
Continue on with your bashing I guess, as I'm sure I'm going to get flamed on this, as anyone here that goes against the majority seems to do.
Try using IOS7 with Voice OVer, and no sight... Unfortunately, an upgrade to IOS7 can be almost devastating to the blind community. Of all the people I know with devices that upgraded to IOS7, each, and every one of them, myself included wishes they either hadn't upgraded, or could easily roll back. IOS7 may have brought many new improvements for *most* individuals, but for us in the VI/blind world, accessibility has taken several steps backward. Things like the back/forward/pages button along the bottom of Safari disappearing on over 90 percent of pages, the cursor jumping randomly to the extreme bottom or top of the page when reading, in the middle of a sentence, having to click on web bars, password fields, and several other buttons 2, 3, up to 6 times for them to activate, andmany other things I won't make a huge list of.
I'm not saing everyone should stay with IOS6, and I'm not saying everyone should goto 7. All I'm saying is that there are people out there, that have reasons to go one way or another, and some of you should think about that before jumping down someone's throat about it. If I could easily roll back, but the IOS7 update stayed there, remindingme constantly, and taking up 3 gigs of space, I'd be irritated too. I didn't by an iPhone, to have apple decide that beyond the actual IOS system I'm running, as well as app storage, they want to use up other space on my device. Maybe if I could toss in external storage to hold music, and movies or podcasts and such, it would be less of a complaint?
Continue on with your bashing I guess, as I'm sure I'm going to get flamed on this, as anyone here that goes against the majority seems to do.