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Apple Sues Jon Prosser Over iOS 26 Leaks
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Because smart people like Gurman never show or claim to see stuff.
They just “hear from multiple sources” and report on that, sometimes even making imprecisions on purpose to avoid identifying the source.
Not really, at least from case law. As summarized in this Congressional Report:
Think about it: there is no way for any publisher -including this site- to argue they don't reasonably know the various leaks published are not acquired improperly if true. First Amendment protections shield MacRumors as much as they shield "Jon".
This obnoxious and annoying Youtube person is still a thing?
Testing was obviously done on iPhone 15 or 16, not some ancient clunker like my 11 Pro
That’s the reason why police often says "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." when they bust someone😃
“Fake it until you make it” but in legal terms
The first video link is already unavailable🤣
Probably bro is in real trouble and all of this is actually true
Yes, really.
Why the heck would you quote a Supreme Court decision about trade union negotiations with the school board involving potential violence? That has zero relation to what we’re talking about here. First Amendment has to do with knowledge about public concerns, not trade secrets. Are you seriously trying to argue public knowledge of bomb threats are as important as iOS 19 design secrets?
Yes, MacRumors has plausible deniability when they publish rumors. That’s why they ask for codenames instead of real names. They receive info through email, not FaceTime calls. Same with Mark Gurman. He curates info by using codenames. He does not ask people to show him iOS 19. He asks engineers and supply chain guys open ended questions and for expert opinions, not technical specs or specific secrets.
Exactly. Most people don’t seem to understand this.
Gurman doesn’t ask to see iOS 19. He asks devs what’s troubling them. They respond, we’re having difficulty making the GPU render translucent colors. He asks what hardware people think is coming up in the industry next year. Not what Apple is up to. He asks small questions and combines with dozens if not hundreds of sources to get plausible deniability.
You should ask Congress that: it's their statement I quoted.
Said that, it's not uncommon at all that a Supreme Court's decision in a particular case ends up having profound implications on a host of different cases.
There is no way MacRumors or any publisher can argue that when they obtain leaked information they don't reasonably know the info was originally obtained improperly. It's irrelevant wethere they know the leaker or not.
Do not forget he is still a smaller fish. And he started relatively later than other big youtubers out there.
Youtube’s algorithm and favoritism towards promoting bigger channels obviously drives any small youtuber nuts when they would want to make channel more recognizable.
Here is small comparison:
FPT (Prosser): 558k subs
MKBHD (that reckless driver bro): 20.1 mil
LTT: 16.4 mil (and I didn’t even count audience from their shi**y clone channels)
Mrwhosetheboss: 21.2 mil
He is very small even today. Obviously he would be desperate for any information that would make his channel and audience skyrocket. If he actually stole all this info - that’s another issue, and he is in a big, big trouble.
Imo youtube must die. This current model does it to people so they get desperate for clickbait and useless stuff from “top youtubers”
I mean, I know its social media and it destills out the scummiest people, but some of the comments here and on the related twitter threads really make me loose all hope for humanity. Imagine people following apple rumor's and then virtually shouting out "you deserve it" "you're not a journalist" "blablabla" when someone who supplied them gets bullied by a billion dollar company via lawyers. Like, I am not saying you have to step up and defend him virtually or by taking action, but MFer have some decency. How terrible has ones life to be if this is the judgment and desire for destruction pointed outwards, I can only imagine the tourmoil that must be going on on the inside of someone with thought patterns like this.
I hope Jon gets through this with his mental health intact. He's been getting better and better of the past years. Would really suck if they destroyed him just because they can.
I hope Jon gets through this with his mental health intact. He's been getting better and better of the past years. Would really suck if they destroyed him just because they can.
If I knowingly break into your house, hack your phone, and release private photos of you, would you consider "I'ts not like I signed an NDA with you" a proper defense?
The Congressional Report defends and justifies why the Defend Trade Secrets Act needs to be in place. It uses the Bartnicki v. Vopper case as a cautionary tale to justify why stronger laws like DTSA are needed to protect organizations. It completely goes against your argument. I suggest you actually read the text of the report.
Of course MacRumors can operate this way. It’s how guys like Gurman operate as well.
You obviously need to do a lot more homework before engaging in this debate.
There is a yes and no to this. Officially it will always be a no. But if you think that smaller and bigger companies do not have stuff leaked on purpose for marketing reasons you probably know very little about the game being played. Even more so when it's about billion dollar companies. It would be like claiming they are not trying to maintain a good image while actively using their cash lobbing against worker rights in Asia.
It's like, why are there rumors about soccer players being in talks with clubs? It's because their player agent gets their name in the news to drive interest and the price up. And that, in the utmost of cases, is around a small business level of money exchanging hands. It's not rocket science. And with apple, they broke their "perfect news cycle" of announcing stuff only when it gets released years ago. These days they announce their updates and it's rolling out on a delay whenever they actually are able to somewhat catch up on competitors software. We have known mediocre Apple Intelligence features many month before we actually got to see them in an official release. And now its like "uuuh, someone saw liquid glass early, a design decision that was so badly thought out that everyone laughed about or top class design company..." as they scramble to somehow bare bone fix this till September. The issue is not that it was leaked, the issue is that it's not up to the standards of apple even after they made it public. It's not that Jon put out something damaging. Well I guess allegedly it is about that he has seen way more and did the plotting to get it himself, but still... this is just weird man.
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It sure does defend the Act, but it also acknowledges its limitations. The part I quoted is pretty clear in this regard.
The reason MacRumors or Gurman can publish information that has obviously been leaked by a third party that obtained it illegally is the reasoning I posted above. If they can, so can you, me or "Jon".
We'll see.
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as outlined, the guy who got his phone stolen failed to follow protocol when he found out about it; that's what got him fired.
I doubt it. Yes Gurman leaks but Gurman doesn't publish videos featuring renders and re-creations of Apple hardware and technology
I was wondering what was up with Jon. Because after the leaks and his Liquid Ass video, he's ended his Genius Bar podcast with Sam Kohl, his other podcast has gone silent.
They also said they don't know what trade secrets from the iPhone he has in his possession now as the iPhone contained trade secrets and he never showed the actual FaceTime so he could have everything the developer phone had which is a huge reason there suing him
They also said they don't know what trade secrets from the iPhone he has in his possession now as the iPhone contained trade secrets and he never showed the actual FaceTime so he could have everything the developer phone had which is a huge reason there suing him