the only people that can "prosecute" is the state and fed agencies. not private companies. this at worst is just compensations.
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Apple Sues SoC Startup Rivos for Poaching Employees and Stealing Trade Secrets
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Except during the legal discovery process if they uncover a crime (direct theft etc) it is reported to FBI/Police and many times arrest warrants are issued.
As someone who is not in the chip industry, what kinds of data did/could they steal, and why does it take up 390 GB? The article says presentations, but what else? Blueprints?
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Yeah, no. Imma go with "there are ****** opportunistic people everywhere" on this one. Doesn't matter how well treated employees are at Apple, there will always be some who see the grass as greener on the other side, and who will be lured away if enough dollar bills are waved in front of them.
This is less a reflection of Apple being a negative work environment, and more Apple giving too much trusted access and freedom to too many employees. You can be sure that similar employees at Apple are going to feel the effects of this, as Apple will absolutely have to reduce the level of trust and freedom that employees enjoy right now.
Between July 26, 2021 and July 29, 2021, Mr. Wen transferred approximately 390 gigabytes from his Apple-issued computer to a personal external hard drive.
That must've taken forever considering the M1's USB speeds
That must've taken forever considering the M1's USB speeds
I missed the part where Apple paid someone to steal intel's trade secrets in the article. Could you point to that part please?
Anyone else notice all the things Apple alleges these people did which should be impossible for Apple to know unless their privacy claims about their own products and services are BS?
PDFs documenting implementation specifics, firmware, source code for firmware, schematics for actual chips, the actual software code that manufacturers use to populate the chips. There’s a lot of side data to any business that can be used to reverse engineer internal processes and technology that may not seem connected at first glance.
Because they never develop anything industry-leading or disruptive.
How to ruin your professional career 101. Hope Rivos paid you already, guys.
These are Apple managed devices, at least in terms of the ones used for work. There’s no expectation of privacy on a corporate owned and managed device. (Firms will have specific policies that detail how data is gathered and what it is used for, I just had to do training on my employer’s last week. But generally, if you do something on a work computer, your employer probably will be able to tell.)
This lawsuit look specious.
I work in the industry. A.good engineers needs only take himself/herself. I can recreate anything I have designed. If I do it a second time, it will actually be better because I won't make the same design mistakes.
The company is making a RiscV processor not ARM. While some techniques and architectural elements are portable the architecture and instruction set are completely different and you just can't slap stuff from an ARM processor into a RiscV.
Companies do this kind of lawsuit to prevent an employee from going to a perceived competitor. There is nothing about a RiscV that makes it competition to Apple
I work in the industry. A.good engineers needs only take himself/herself. I can recreate anything I have designed. If I do it a second time, it will actually be better because I won't make the same design mistakes.
The company is making a RiscV processor not ARM. While some techniques and architectural elements are portable the architecture and instruction set are completely different and you just can't slap stuff from an ARM processor into a RiscV.
Companies do this kind of lawsuit to prevent an employee from going to a perceived competitor. There is nothing about a RiscV that makes it competition to Apple
Yes, the theft, transmission, or receipt of trade secrets is a federal crime if the discovery clearly shows that.
18 U.S. Code § 1831 - Economic espionage
Well, it’s not really specious if the firm solicited its targets to exfiltrate data on Apple chip designs. And it’s not exactly useless info just because one is ARM and the other RISC-V. Apple has some of the most performant (especially per watt, but per gigahertz, as well) general purpose compute cores. Some of that technology would be ARM exclusive, sure, but some of it could no-doubt to applied to RISC-V. (And it’s more likely to be applicable to another RISC architecture like RISC-V than it would be to a CISC architecture like x86*.)
* Well yeah, x86 is moving away from a pure CISC design to a RISC design running a CISC instruction set in microcode, but that’s still far more CISC-y than RISC-V is.
You are confusing company-issued products and service environments with privately acquired & operated products and services.
Simulation files. One of these engineers worked on power management.
To simulate switching activity and calculate power consumption and variances for millions of transistors on a node, you're talking several GB per millisecond of simulation.
If you simulate for 50ms, you're talking 50GB minimum.
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Please contact Apple immediately with your advice. Being a new and inexperienced company they would welcome your views.
"Poaching" employees is fair game. Pay them more, give them better benefits, or risk losing them.
Stealing trade secrets is dirty pool and should be prosecuted.
Stealing trade secrets is dirty pool and should be prosecuted.
Yeah, that was the first thing that came to my mind too. Surprising that Apple would allow so much data to be exfiltrated using USB and AirDrop and not be caught and stopped in real time vs discovered after the fact!
That's actually quite naive, considering that regardless of how happy someone is somewhere, a sweet enough deal with founder level stock options and other incentives can likely lure some people to do this. That doesn't make it right and I hope they get what's coming to them, but you can convince an employee that wants for nothing to do this if you dangle a glittery enough carrot and that person doesn't have a morals to keep them from that sort of temptation.
There is a huge freaking difference in hiring talent from a competitor than hiring swarms of talent who come with stolen trade secrets illegally downloaded to hard drives. Popeyes hires an executive from KFC.... vs. Popeyes hires an executive from KFC with the secret recipe. TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. And one is illegal.
there's no hypocrisy. Apple is saying the employees to stole plans and code. that is why the company is suing, not because the employees left.
Still wrong. In a civil trial there are no prosecutions. What you just said proved yourself wrong. A prosecutors office would need to file criminal charges which occurs outside the civil case.
I get armchair lawyers in the thread and all, but didn't any of you ever watch 1 true crime documentary in your lives?
Personally I think Apple needs to do a better job of interviewing people for prospective job positions in the company. And Also set up some sort of surveillance or employee monitoring system to watch these top level employees that had access to very valuable and secret information.
This is not the first time Apple employees have stole valuable secrets from the company.
This happen to Tesla and other companies too.
You get paid lots of money and work with sensitive computer data. you should be watched and monitored by your employer.
Don't like it? Find another job.
This is not the first time Apple employees have stole valuable secrets from the company.
This happen to Tesla and other companies too.
You get paid lots of money and work with sensitive computer data. you should be watched and monitored by your employer.
Don't like it? Find another job.