Apple Suing Motorola Over Design of Xoom Tablet

[Mr. Gates]

When the Windows 8 Tablets come out we will see a real fight.

I'd like to see Apple try to sue the big boys.

Then we will have a real fight on our hands.




I think all of this bullying by Apple is turning off a lot of people.

 

[AppleScruff1]

When the Windows 8 Tablets come out we will see a real fight.

I'd like to see Apple try to sue the big boys.

Then we will have a real fight on our hands.




I think all of this bullying by Apple is turning off a lot of people.

All joking aside, I think this sue craziness is idiotic and makes Apple look more and more pathetic with each report of a new lawsuit. Uncle Steve should remember where he came from. And a little humbleness couldn't hurt either.

 

[Mr. Gates]

Maybe Paramount and the creative team from Star Trek should sue Apple !

They had it way before. Who's ripping who off?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

They had it way before. Who's ripping who off?

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damn star trek. They stole the idea from apple over 20 years prior releasing the iPad

 

[Melab]

Reading the court decision, some things that the decision was based on (rough translation by me):

"The defendant copied the distinctive design features of the iPad. For the viewer it is therefore an almost identical product. This is especially true when we take into consideration that the target audience will not see both products at the same time and will not compare them directly, but will rely on memorized impression. With this background, identical features are more important than deviations. "

"In relation to the iPad and iPad2 the consumer will especially remember the minimalistic design and the clear form, for which products of the plaintiff are well known, and which have been extremly successful since their launch. This form is completely copied by the defendant. Since the defendant took all the relevant design elements of the iPad 2, at least an indirect danger of confusion is unavoidable. "

Several people in this thread made comments along the lines of "there are only so many ways how you could design a tablet". Truth is, there are only so many ways how you could design a tablet that looks like an iPad. If you remove "must look like an iPad" from your design goals, there is suddenly an enormous range of possibilities. All these design possibilities have two things in common: 1. Apple can't sue you. 2. They don't look like an iPad. As an example, the back of the Samsung tablet makes an impression that is identical to that of the iPad (it is different viewed side by side, but as the court said, that is not what matters, it is the overall impression). For a possible design that is just totally different and would make it impossible for Apple to sue, see this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXXji5-vew4

You can tell the difference. And, if the aspects at hand are not worthy of being exclusive to one company (as I claim), Samsung would have the right to use said aspects. There is a difference between patent law and misleading the consumer. Samsung is not pretending that the Tab is an iPad.

Kernels and bootloaders are two different things. You can swap kernels all day long once you unlock the bootloader (old or new), you just cannot downgrade using RSD any more with the new bootloader.

You must now use fastboot and flash system images (custom ROMs) if you wish to downgrade your OS. A little more complicated than RSD.

No more factory restore option to lower versions with the new bootloader as they flash an incompatible boot image. This instantly bricks the phone.

The hardware checks are still there, the lock is just permanently bypassed via the unlock package that was signed.

Basically the bootloader is what is preventing the use from downgrading if you use RSD (which, I'm going to guess, is at a higher level than fastboot). The blown eFuse only disables the signature check and nothing else. Why didn't the folks over at XDA think of this in first place?

I was actually toying around with the idea of blowing eFuses to allow for unsigned images on other Moto devices.

 

[TMay]

When the Windows 8 Tablets come out we will see a real fight.

I'd like to see Apple try to sue the big boys.

Then we will have a real fight on our hands.




I think all of this bullying by Apple is turning off a lot of people.

Seriously, Apple sees MS as a legitimate competitor that respects IP. The business models are different, but it anything, you can describe the two as a duopoly, and arguably, you can make the case that each fills a necessary niche in the market.

I would even make the case that, at least in the desktop market, Apple and MS are joined at the hip with Apple benefiting from Windows availability on the Mac and MS benefiting from Apple pushing everybody to the next generation of OS.

Google, and its Android OEM's, on the other hand, are attempting to benefit from unlicensed IP, and Apple and MS have both shown necessity for aggressive pursuit of infringement.

If anything, the major beneficiary of Apple vs Android is MS as I would expect them to pick up the bulk of the lower and mid market for smartphones.

 

[Illumination]

I think all of this bullying by Apple is turning off a lot of people.

It is. It's very pathetic for them to do this. It's like Peter Pan makes peanut butter, and Walmart decides to make a cheaper brand. Or Jif decided to make peanut butter and sell it for a comparable price (I'm not up to speed on the history of peanut butter; this is just a made-up scenario). And them Peter Pan decides to sue Walmart and Jif.

This whole thing makes me feel shameful for owning Apple products. Jeez. How about working on some relevant things instead of suing everyone that "copies" "your" idea.

And Apple would never have the nerve to sue MS. Apple is still #2 to them - that hasn't changed.

 

[cdmoore74]

Do ios fanboys really want one tablet, one phone, one computer to rule the world? If I ask you guys what your favorite car is I bet I would get 30 makes out of 35 responses. And guess what. Every car out there has 4 tires, similar shape has a steering wheel, a radio, seats, windows, headlights and turn signals.
And what about clothes? What if Levi was the only pair of pants you could buy? What if Nike was the only shoes available? Or if Mcdonalds was the only place you could buy a hamburger?

Apple is clearly abusing the system. Xoom looks nothing like the ipad.

 

[KnightWRX]

Rumor of possible deal with Apple.

That in itself would change the dynamics of Android as HTC has notably been the most profitable of the Android OEM's.

Actually, that's been Samsung's for the last few quarters. It's Samsung that's moving the majority of Android devices nowadays.

I think this is the biggest news today though : http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/10/hp-touchpad-price-drop-goes-permanent

HP's TouchPad Wifi 16GB is now only 399$, with the 32 GB model coming in at 499$.

Do ios fanboys really want one tablet, one phone, one computer to rule the world? If I ask you guys what your favorite car is I bet I would get 30 makes out of 35 responses.

Actually, you're on an Apple forum. The crowd that wants everyone but Apple to disappear would probably answer VW or Audi (both being the same brand really).

 

[jonnysods]

This must be just out of spite. If Apple left Motorola alone they would fall on their own sword with their tablet designs.

I guess if every other company in the world isn't eating Apple's dust, Steve wants to walk back up to them and shove some dirt down their throats.

 

[*LTD*]

I think all of this bullying by Apple is turning off a lot of people.

Who? The bellyachers on MR, or the consumers that continue to buy Apple gear in droves?

The average consumer doesn't even know about these legal matters, and if they did, they'd barely give a damn. All they see is what's on the shelves. First thing is to head to where the Apple logo is.

Apple's legal activities will have zero effect on consumer perception, as has been the case so far.

 

[silroc]

Who? The bellyachers on MR, or the consumers that continue to buy Apple gear in droves?

The average consumer doesn't even know about these legal matters, and if they did, they'd barely give a damn. All they see is what's on the shelves. First thing is to head to where the Apple logo is.

Apple's legal activities will have zero effect on consumer perception, as has been the case so far.

How about this- I am a consumer. This sue festival makes me sick. I definitely have a lesser view of apple. I will consider more brands in the future due to this. I know it doesn't matter in the big pucture, but that's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

 

[chrono1081]

How about this- I am a consumer. This sue festival makes me sick. I definitely have a lesser view of apple. I will consider more brands in the future due to this. I know it doesn't matter in the big pucture, but that's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

Well then you may as well hate every company out there because they all do it, Apple just makes the news.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Well then you may as well hate every company out there because they all do it, Apple just makes the news.

Not to the extent that Apple has in the past year or two.

 

[AidenShaw]

Not to the extent that Apple has in the past year or two.

This should really frighten Apple shareholders.

A frightenly huge part of Apples' value is that youth consider Apple to be "cool". (Ever tried to actually use a demo system in an Apple store - you have to push a multi-pierced strangely dyed pre-teen who is updating its Facebook page with an "I'm cool, I'm at the Apple store" post out of the way to get access to a keyboard.)

If this group realizes that Apple is one of the ugliest US corporations, "cool" is gone - and the stock plummets.

 

[ortuno2k]

This is getting pretty ridiculous...
Yeah, they are somewhat look-alikes, but they are two different products! People who want iPads will buy iPads, and those who can't afford them, will buy whatever else is out there.

So, is the guy who invented the wheel going to sue the world for copyright infringement, too?

 

[chrono1081]

Not to the extent that Apple has in the past year or two.

Wrong. You need to read more tech news. So many companies are doing it all the time.

 

[ortuno2k]

How about this- I am a consumer. This sue festival makes me sick. I definitely have a lesser view of apple. I will consider more brands in the future due to this. I know it doesn't matter in the big pucture, but that's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

I share your feelings, I'm feeling somewhat the same towards Apple.
I have no plans or intentions to buying any new Apple products for now, nothing draws my attention. My MBP is 4 years old, and it's still there, I barely use it anymore. I dropped iPhone 3G for Android, stopped using OS X as my main OS for Windows 7, and I'm just not attracted to Apple and their new drastic ways. I wouldn't call myself an Apple fan anymore...

 

[Oletros]

Reading the court decision

Court decision or Apple filling? Can you show me the court decission?

 

[lilo777]

Wrong. You need to read more tech news. So many companies are doing it all the time.

Please, give us an example of such company. Don't be shy.

 

[krischik]

+14 for a fake

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the inverted Forum again. +14 for a fake.

Now, the “before iPad” part all contains ruggedized devices. That is they are spray water, dust and shock prove. They are designed for industry and military use.

They are not for home use. Apart from that: those devices still exist and new devices of this type are still created. They are part of a special need market which the iPad did not affect at all.


In the “after iPad” part two devices have been shot in landscape and have been turned by 90% later. Not surprising as Honeycomp devices are mostly used in Landscape mode.

And one device is three inch smaller and displayed in enlarged to fit with the other.

So, at least thee of the four devices have been “Photoshopped” to look like an iPad. They do not look like an iPad in real live.

And, before I forget: Only one device has a single home button. The other devices have either 3 button on none at all.

So, from the four devices only one look like an iPad. and if Apple had sued that company I would understand.

 

[AndroidPwnsAapl]

Haven't read any of the postings before posting this so don't flame me.

While I do enjoy working with Apple products as I am Apple certified but I love Android above Apple and I do see the pros and cons in the two different operating systems (Android vs. iOS) but seriously, the lawsuits by Apple really need to stop.

Who cares if the design is almost the same? What other distinguishing designs can one go, if they had to pry themselves apart from Apple's iPad design? The iPad have a button while the Tab 10.1 and Xoom does not have any buttons... Plus Apple is already enjoying it's position above Android in global shares and all so why sue? It's just like a child crying for his mommy because he got kicked in the shin and asked his mommy to go over to the bully to defend for her own child's safety.

Apple, if you are doing OK overall, why not enjoy some competition? You are already competing with Exxon but I haven't seen you go over to Exxon and sue them? I know, I know, this is completely different from the patents but still, this reeks of jealousy and the hunger for being the head honcho in everything, on Apple's side.

Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Apple because I'm an Android fanboy. I do enjoy working with Apple products and will one day, own a Macbook Pro but the lawsuits is getting to me and it is embarrassing Apple owners and making these Android-envious Apple fanboys go, "OH YES!!! In your face, Android!" but really, Apple is making themselves look like fools so don't go praising Apple yet. Praise them for their quality of execution in style and design, as I am right now, but they are not innovators and not many companies are innovators nowadays.

I read some posts in the other threads about someone saying that they should abandon the patents altogether and start sharing for the sake of consumers and to preserve sanity. I heartily agree with that person because this kind of BS need to stop and businesses need to get along. Business is already bad as it is right now with the monopolizing of small companies into several huge conglomerates and Theodore Roosevelt is already turned over in his grave as his attempt to protect big and small companies from monopolies has gone for naught in today's world of business.

So with that said, Apple, stop doing what you are doing with the lawsuits, start enjoying the competition because you already make darn good products (other than the iPhone/iPod/iPad line) and in 10 years, we will see who triumphs and prevails over who.

 

[Mr. Gates]

Who? The bellyachers on MR, or the consumers that continue to buy Apple gear in droves?

The average consumer doesn't even know about these legal matters, and if they did, they'd barely give a damn. All they see is what's on the shelves. First thing is to head to where the Apple logo is.

Apple's legal activities will have zero effect on consumer perception, as has been the case so far.

Yeah right. Like the media has no interest in APPLE !

And even if it was just the enthusiasts, we make up a large percentage of the people who buy the newest stuff every year.

Do you get pleasure out of sticking up for Apple every chance you get?

 

[redraider2011]

If it wasn't for Henry Ford, there would be no Toyota. Ford must sue every other car maker to protect itself.

<Insert picture of similarities between Ford and Toyota cars - 4 wheels, glass upfront, a freaking engine AND a steering wheel - what more proof do you need>

Macrumors is a sad place.

Actually if it wasn't for Karl Benz there would be no Henry Ford. Unless you're talking about efficiently mass producing automobiles.

 

[parapup]

Actually if it wasn't for Karl Benz there would be no Henry Ford. Unless you're talking about efficiently mass producing automobiles.

I was. Ford is to cars as Apple is to tablets in terms of making an existing product more accessible/desirable. Ford doesn't sue other car makers, they compete fairly. Apple and its minions feel entitled to mediocrity. I never thought I would hate another corp this much after Microsoft.