This is just what Apple brainwashed you to believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_personal_computer
Besides, we've all seen this concept before on TV:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/awws/2410173572/
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This is just what Apple brainwashed you to believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_personal_computer
Besides, we've all seen this concept before on TV:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/awws/2410173572/
I'll stand by what I said. Show me examples of all of these other companies with major lawsuits against their suppliers and competitors that equal or outnumber those by Apple. Since it's so common, I would think you could give me links to at least 6 or without any problem. And also please post links showing the time frames too. That way we can make a fair comparison. I'm thinking maybe Goodyear suing Michelin because their tires are round and black too. Plus they hold air too. And fit on cars and trucks. Perhaps Exxon suing BP since they both sell petroleum products. Can you come up with a few examples like this?
Thanks.
What I wrote was a translation of parts of the court decision. The court said something along the lines: "You can tell the difference, but consumers don't hold them side by side and compare them, they see that someone uses an Apple iPad and is really happy with it, then they go to a shop and see the Samsung tablet, and they think it is the product they saw earlier and buy it". So it is not the differences that count, it is the similarities. And yes, the court there said very clearly that Samsung is using this design to take advantage of Apple's reputation, to have people buying their tablet because they think it is the Apple product that they wanted. And that they are clearly misleading the consumer.
You can argue all you like, but I am sure this court in Germany knows more about German and European law than you do and they got it right according to European law.
Court decision. I said court decision, so obviously I meant court decision and not Apple's comments. Someone posted the link in this thread. It's German, that's why I said "my translation". Winni can probably comment whether it is accurate if he reads this.
look at the rounded squared home button. they could've done anything with it, but kept the apple version, that's lame
Can you put the link to the court decission? Thanks
If you're referring to this link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/61993811/10-08-04-Apple-Motion-for-EU-Wide-Prel-Inj-Galaxy-Tab-10-1
This is Apple motion, not court decission
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So other than that it was the same. I love when people try to claim iPads existed before. Then they compare s post card to a brick and try to tell you the are the same thing.
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Um... no.
I had one of those TC1000's for work back in 2004 and it was a steaming turd of technology. It was slow, unresponsive, and just flat out didn't work well. Part of that was it's use of Windows XP with a tablet layer, part of it was the horribly under specced hardware. Part of it was the dismal build quality out of HP / Compaq, and mostly, it was totally useless without a keyboard (which normally didn't work). Mine had to be fixed 4 times by HP for faulty hardware....Bluetooth once, Network controller once, main logic board twice. I also went through 5 keyboards since they would just stop working due to faulty hardware. I was also responsible for a group that had these... 45 people. I believe all but 1 of them had problems. Needless to say, when the leases were up, we went a different route.
Form factor was similar to the iPad, in that in the "sans keyboard" mode, you could hold it. However, the bezel didn't do anything for you since the screen was not touch enabled, it used a stylus. Orientation had to be manually set... no sensor to adjust for you. It was way heavier than an iPad, way thicker than an iPad, had a different input method than the iPad, different operating system and software than the iPad.
So other than that it was the same. I love when people try to claim iPads existed before. Then they compare s post card to a brick and try to tell you the are the same thing.
So the German court thinks the majority of potential ipad buyers in EU are idiots? let us image a potential ipad buyer walks in to an electronic shop, he ignore the product label that explains it is not an ipad, cannot tell different between IOS and Honeycomb after watched IOS in action, he ignores the label Samsung/Motorola on the tablet and packaging, and is so confident believing that it is an ipad that never ask a shop assistant for help. Maybe some people shouldn’t have tablets.
When I had the 7 inch Galaxy tab, there were lots of people asking if it was the ipad, mainly because they only seen ipad on TV and no it person, so they assume any large shape touch device is an ipad.
So are the German court is going to ban all tablet in EU because in some ways they all look a bit like ipad?
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By this logic explain the existence of the iPad and iPad 2.
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Why did no tablets before the iPad look like an iPad then?
Some people need to advance their perception abilities beyond that of a child trying go fit blocks into matching holes.
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By this logic explain the existence of the iPad and iPad 2.
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Why did no tablets before the iPad look like an iPad then?
Some people need to advance their perception abilities beyond that of a child trying go fit blocks into matching holes.
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There's no way Apple will successfully be able to defend this patent to the end. There were too many devices like this long before iPad was released, propably why they aren't going after any Windows slates.
I wonder if it isn't just expensive strategy to slow down the competition. Android has surpassed iOS in market share and Apple might want to prevent the same thing happening in tablet market. Even if they will ultimately loose and have to pay huge damages, Apple can afford it. And loosing couple of billions of dollars might not be such a huge price for crippling your competition's growth.
Personally I don't mind that. I would rather have the market split between iPad and Windows 8 tablets, the first one offering light and fast experience, while the second one delivering tablet-centric full blown PC experience. As it is not Android fails at both, it's not as smooth and light as iPad's iOS variant, nor is it anywhere near the power of full blown Windows. Heck..I would rather just buy convertible Windows 7 tablet notebook than any of the Android tablets.
I wonder if it isn't just expensive strategy to slow down the competition. Android has surpassed iOS in market share and Apple might want to prevent the same thing happening in tablet market. Even if they will ultimately loose and have to pay huge damages, Apple can afford it. And loosing couple of billions of dollars might not be such a huge price for crippling your competition's growth.
Personally I don't mind that. I would rather have the market split between iPad and Windows 8 tablets, the first one offering light and fast experience, while the second one delivering tablet-centric full blown PC experience. As it is not Android fails at both, it's not as smooth and light as iPad's iOS variant, nor is it anywhere near the power of full blown Windows. Heck..I would rather just buy convertible Windows 7 tablet notebook than any of the Android tablets.
As pointed out before, the preliminary injunction against Samsung was granted by the Judge based on Apple's filing alone. Samsung didn't even get the chance to reply or file their own paperwork and didn't even get a hearing. That's how German courts work and that's probably why Apple filed there.
Samsung will get a chance to reply in 1 month. So the injunction was granted only good faith the word of Apple alone.
That is scary.
You mean big touch screen surrounded by a dark bezel? You think there were no devices like that before iPad
I think there had been square devices with rounded corners and a smooth flat upper surface before.
And they had been as slim as technically possible at the time as well.
Better batteries, smaller chips and the advances on flash memory, all the stuff which enable Apples to make the iPad slim are not Apples own inventions. They buy them elsewhere.
And thinking of buying elsewhere: Apple just ordered another batch of iPad displays at Samsung. Now how about that “coincidence.”. Stalling Samsung own pad for a month will free Samsung production line to make more displays for the iPad.
Grandma goes to the shop to buy an iPad for her grandson. She has seen one, she has seen the package. So she goes and asks the sales assistant for an iPad. The shop doesn't sell iPads, but it sells the Samsung tablet. So what will the sales assistant sell her? Or she saw someone using an iPad, found it useful, and wants one herself. A large portion of the potential customers are not that well informed. So she may very well end up with a Samsung tablet believing that is the tablet that she saw being used.
Yes, because she asked an iPad but is not well informed and buy something that says Samsung GALAXY TAB.
Yes, you also think people is idiot
The largest "news"paper in Sweden had a poll next to its headline regarding Apple and its lawsuit (in fact, it was two polls with similar questions). Both polls showed clearly* that a vast majority of customers care about corporate image.
* The survey method itself is of course quite flawed, something that has been known now for at least a couple of decades, but even so.
And heck, at least where i am at image is a key reason for Apples success. The last thing Apple want is for the hip and trendy to make a statement out of not using Apple products.
Here in Spain, all major newspapers told the Samsung tablet banning. So no, it's not only MR people
To be honest this is getting silly, companies should not be allowed to patent the shape of an object, the software running on it fine, but not the shape.
Also my Windows mobile phone before the iphone had icons laid out like an iphone so should MS not be suing Apple for the layout of their icons?
I have a Galaxy tab and there is no way I could confuse the two for a start the tab is more rectangular than the ipad, plus the software looks so much different.
Also my Windows mobile phone before the iphone had icons laid out like an iphone so should MS not be suing Apple for the layout of their icons?
I have a Galaxy tab and there is no way I could confuse the two for a start the tab is more rectangular than the ipad, plus the software looks so much different.
And the sales rep would say "We dont sell ipads, but we have something similar..." I can picture the exact same scenario using any commercial product really, even products with very little (non-function) resemblance.
(and, Apple wasnt first...)
She can take it back to the store for a refund. People should do a bit of research into product they are going to buy, especially when it cost over $500.
The new Galaxy Tab is the fastest selling tablet since ipad in the UK, I’m sure the majority of those who brought it did so because they want the Tab, not because they confused the Tab with the ipad2.
Now there are no new Tabs arriving in stores, let us forget about the small % of people might get confused. What about all those people who WANT a Galaxy Tab? Why should the majority suffer because a few % of buyer confuse it with the ipad2.
Should all cars be banned because small % of drivers kill people by been drunk or send text messages while driving?
The news air time Samsung gained from this temporary ban is the best advertisement they can hope for. There will be more people who are now aware the Galaxy Tab is on the market. Once the temporary ban get over turned, Samsung should drop the Tab's price by $50 to $100 and will end up selling more Tab than if Apple never tried to get it banned.
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Let me swing it this way.
Grandma goes to the used auto store to buy an Honda Civic for her grandson. She has seen one, she has seen the package. So she goes and asks the sales assistant for an Honda Civic. The shop doesn't sell Honda Civics, but it sells the Hyundai Accent. So what will the sales assistant sell her? Or she saw someone using a Honda Civic, found it useful, and wants one herself. A large portion of the potential customers are not that well informed. So she may very well end up with a Hyundai Accent believing that is the car that she saw being used.
Do you understand now people? Why stop at tablets, phones, computers? Let's trademark everything that we see or touch. Would it have been right for Honda to sue Hyundai when they came to the states? Or what about McDonalds suing Burger King? Is this this the path you guys want to support? We will live in a society with no vision or purpose if people are afraid to get sued to oblivion. And it's scary because Apple as of today is the richest company on the planet.
That is incorrect.
Ford does, and has issued lawsuits in the past in order to protect it's interests. There are actually a couple of currently active cases, including a recently settled (andsomewhat absurd) example for which they are suing Ferrari over the F-150 name. They just don't get the spotlight as much as Apple does.
You do realise Apple are trolling a pathetic patent on the SHAPE of a "handheld computer", much in the way Lodsys is trolling iOS developers.
That is very different. Having two cars called the F-150 is like having two competing tablets called the iPad. The shape of the product (car) was never an issue.
There's a difference suing over a trademarked name (which you are somewhat forced to do if you want to keep your trademark) and suing over the shape of something that is defined in a Community Design registration.
F-150 is frankly a Ford trademark. A black rectangle with rounded corners is not a Apple trademark.
Your example is flawed. No one in the auto industry sues other makers for also making objects with 4 wheels. While the computer/electronics industry is not alone in their lawsuit follies, I don't think I've ever seen anything quite as ridiculous as Apple's claim over the rectangle with rounded corners for a tablet.