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Apple Suing Motorola Over Design of Xoom Tablet
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Spoken like someone who has never owned an Android tablet.
Little or no App support??? Step away from the crack pipe.
Hundreds of thousands of apps are available for Android devices.
Over 200,000 (206,143 at the time the count was taken) in the Market alone back in March of this year.
Apple had 333,214 at the time the count was taken.
Android Market is on pace to exceed Apple's App Store in Q4 this year in available apps.
Recently came back to India and gave my iPad (Ist gen) to my dad and I've been playing with the Transformer for more than a month now.
Great device. Good web experience although its sluggish and laggy sometimes.
As for the app support, there is absolutely NONE.
Out of 200,000 apps you have mentioned, I bet if even 1% are available for the transformer or tablet-specific form factor. Not shy to state, but the state of the android marketplace is just very sad when most of them are ill-designed with no taste at all. Some crash normally as if no one even bothered to test them at all.
Most apps are either ringtones or patches or tweaks or live-wallpapers or otherwise.
The tablet is great for some routine tasks and I have been loving it for the same, but you just seem to be in denial.
The android marketplace is hideous with low quality apps and all kinds of malware.
Your post is ranked +3 clearly proves a lot about Android trolling on this forum.
Take a look at my sig and then rethink your comment.
Only one Android device in that list at the moment.
I like techie toys... all of them, including Apple toys.
But I'm also not blinded by the shiny Apple either.
As for your comments about the Android Market, you obviously spend too much time here and not out in the real world.
A handful of apps have been pulled for malware... that's the price you pay for being an open market.
Read the permission set prior to installation (Devs can't get past this as it has to be declared in the APK or it won't work). If a live wallpaper app requests access to your email and contacts list, it's a good chane you're asking to get hacked. Buyer beware.
Or you can have Apple censor all your apps for you.
Again... with this comment I can tell you obviously spend no time browsing the Market.
Spoken like someone who has never owned an Android tablet.
Little or no App support??? Step away from the crack pipe.
Hundreds of thousands of apps are available for Android devices.
Over 200,000 (206,143 at the time the count was taken) in the Market alone back in March of this year.
Apple had 333,214 at the time the count was taken.
Android Market is on pace to exceed Apple's App Store in Q4 this year in available apps.
And 205,000 of them are wallpaper apps, and a few of those are virus infested.
When people are talking about tablets and mention little or no app support, they are looking for tablet optimised apps, not cell phone apps that 'scale' up.
You can browse it line to see how wrong that statement about them being wallpaper apps is: https://market.android.com/.
And some of those wall paper apps are more than just wallpapers. They're interactive, and "live wallpapers" are a major feature of Android.
Hmmm....wonder if XEROX should sue Apple for selling LISA with the GUI interface (aka Mouse).
They did sue apple but they lost partly because the statute of limitations had expired http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_(company)
Fair enough.
But one has to remember that Android apps (2.0 or higher) are pretty much resolution independent by design (Drawable HDPI).
So any app written for android 2.0 or higher will run just fine on a hi res display phone or tablet since their resolutions are similar.
In fact many apps have to scale down for lower res devices.
I do agree there are very few Honeycomb specific apps out there, but the reality is, 2.2 and 2.3 apps run on Honeycomb.
Gee damn. Reading that page, and seeing what PARC has made...
...basically shows them as the true inventors of the modern computer. Apple and MS both rode their coattails. Shame Xerox was too damn stupid to capitalize on all the neat stuff they made.
Take a look at my sig and then rethink your comment.
Only one Android device in that list at the moment.
I like techie toys... all of them, including Apple toys.
But I'm also not blinded by the shiny Apple either.
As for your comments about the Android Market, you obviously spend too much time here and not out in the real world.
A handful of apps have been pulled for malware... that's the price you pay for being an open market.
Read the permission set prior to installation (Devs can't get past this as it has to be declared in the APK or it won't work). If a live wallpaper app requests access to your email and contacts list, it's a good chane you're asking to get hacked. Buyer beware.
Or you can have Apple censor all your apps for you.
Again... with this comment I can tell you obviously spend no time browsing the Market.
Lovely, why don't you tell me where to start then?
I have been playing great with my HTC Mozart and Transformer for a while.
1. There are hardly any tablet specific apps. Those 200k apps you specified are just mere apps for different form factors and scale abnormally for the tablet size. That is, less than a 100 tablet apps as I have seen in the marketplace.
2. Just be in denial like you always have been. Malware does exists and is in plenty. I don't go through 200k apps to find malware, but I have myself come across some. I am not saying 100k apps are malware but significant amount of apps are practically malware.
3. Now that you're there at it, lets try this:
https://market.android.com/search?q=ringtone&so=1&c=apps
https://market.android.com/search?q=wallpapersso=1&c=apps
https://market.android.com/search?q=live+wallpapers&so=1&c=apps
Look at that content and come with a valid argument next time. On another note, Google won't let me go after page 20 (24 results/page). This implies that there are at least 480 'live wallpapers' apps in the marketplace and there could easily be more.
With just the 'paid' filter I could find 480 apps, I wonder how many I would find without it.
The search itself claims that there are at least 1000 results per query that I have set in. Lovely isn't it, when I can find 2000 apps without any effort. And that is just the limit set on the search query.
I am sorry but even die hard Apple fans need to see that suing Moto for Xoom design is utter ********. How exactly are they similar? Xoom has more ports, speakers out back, button on the back. Rectangle design maybe? Well Xoom is used mainly in landscape mode while iPad is clearly a portrait mode. Apple didn't invent rectangular design, nor did they invent a tablet. They were to the market faster, yes, but it doesn't mean nobody has the right to go into this market as well.
Apple is getting out of hand, and I sincerely hope this will bite them in the ass when Samsung, Motorola and others file a lawsuit for being anti-competitive. Did they forget what happened to Microsoft in Europe?
Apple is getting out of hand, and I sincerely hope this will bite them in the ass when Samsung, Motorola and others file a lawsuit for being anti-competitive. Did they forget what happened to Microsoft in Europe?
Lovely, why don't you tell me where to start then?
I have been playing great with my HTC Mozart and Transformer for a while.
1. There are hardly any tablet specific apps. Those 200k apps you specified are just mere apps for different form factors and scale abnormally for the tablet size. That is, less than a 100 tablet apps as I have seen in the marketplace.
2. Just be in denial like you always have been. Malware does exists and is in plenty. I don't go through 200k apps to find malware, but I have myself come across some. I am not saying 100k apps are malware but significant amount of apps are practically malware.
3. Now that you're there at it, lets try this:
https://market.android.com/search?q=ringtone&so=1&c=apps
https://market.android.com/search?q=wallpapersso=1&c=apps
https://market.android.com/search?q=live+wallpapers&so=1&c=apps
Look at that content and come with a valid argument next time. On another note, Google won't let me go after page 20 (24 results/page). This implies that there are at least 480 'live wallpapers' apps in the marketplace and there could easily be more.
With just the 'paid' filter I could find 480 apps, I wonder how many I would find without it.
The search itself claims that there are at least 1000 results per query that I have set in. Lovely isn't it, when I can find 2000 apps without any effort. And that is just the limit set on the search query.
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https://market.android.com/search?q=shooter&so=1&c=apps
https://market.android.com/search?q=racing&so=1&c=apps
https://market.android.com/search?q=board+game&so=1&c=apps
NEXT......................... Apple will sue android users for not using iPad & other iOS devices.
Wait, are you trying to say that AndroidMarketPlace has good games?
I KNOW THAT.
That's why I am using the transformer tablet otherwise it has always been the iPad for me. I am not denying that android doesn't have apps or usable apps.
I am trying to argue that out of the 200k app content, there is a significant % of that content which is practically non-app like. Ringtones/Wallpapers/LiveWallpapers/Jukebox, etc which make a huge volume of bad apps (not exactly apps) on that platform. So the 200k number is out of context.
As for the quality, its poor. There are some good apps. But still the overall quality of those apps is just meh. Transformer is a great competitor to the iPad. I have given my iPad away and I plan to use this Android device for the rest of the year, but just stating some real facts that the app ecosystem on Android is hideous. My brother likes his HTC Wildfire and sadly Android is an ugly piece of complicated mystery that I wouldn't want to use in my life. Honeycomb feels easier and that's why I am using it.
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On the OEM unlock is fine. The encrypted bootloaders not so much or at the very least a provide a way to unlock them.
Unlocking bootloader = no warranty. Mostly because you can do some real hardware damage with an unlock bootloader installing some custom builds.
Unlocking is not meant for everyone to be able to do it. Taking a little work is fine and most people who do it understand and accept that fact. People who do not understand those reasons are ones who cry like you do with zero understanding behind it.
Unlocking the bootloader = no warranty plan and simple.
Rest of the year? Whatever happened to people keeping the devices they use until they conk out (except smartphones because of two year contracts)?
Side note: A lot of people seem to like the Transformer. For me its either going to be the Tab or the Asus Eee Pad Slider, which looks freakin' cool.
Not to be rude, but, the bootloaders are not encrypted. They verify the digital signature of the kernel that they attempt to boot. In some cases, like the Droid X, the hardware performs a signature check on the bootloader for added security. I'm sorry to correct you, but that term just really irks me because of my interest in cryptography.
And trust me, I fully understand the risks. I'm going to install CyanogenMod on my Droid 2 Global as soon as it is ready, risks understood.
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Moreover, the prototype crunchpad had a sloped back just like the soon to be released iphone 5. I guess they chickened out to release it that way, afraid of Steve's wrath for stealing that new iphone's thunder 2 yrs in advance...
You answer none of my questions which is just fine.
As for your comment, iPad was never meant for me in the first place. I didn't like the device very much. iPad was successfully used for remainder of my PHD project. I will definitely buy iPad3 for its higher resolution and give away my Transformer Tab to my younger brother.
iPad will be useful to me in a year or so but I am quite hungry for the honeycomb experience so I wish to continue using this tab for the rest of the year.
You got good preference too. I would anyday go for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. It's just too awesome.
Ever seen a netbook screen? Its a rectangular flat pad, with black bezel, and rounded edge, and the camera looks like a home button. Seriously, there's very little variety in designing something with a screen in the middle. Apple, you can't sue for that!
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.4; en-gb; Nexus S Build/GRJ22) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1)
You can always revert to a stock image on the Nexus S and Xoom thanks to the re-lockable bootloaders if you were in the need of warranty repair.
I'd love to see companies honour warranties provided the issue wasn't caused by custom firmware/overclocking e.t.c. HTC did repair my bootloader unlocked Nexus One when the power button went flaky, no doubt because the hardware fault wasn't related to the firmware I was running. I did appreciate that.
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You can always revert to a stock image on the Nexus S and Xoom thanks to the re-lockable bootloaders if you were in the need of warranty repair.
I'd love to see companies honour warranties provided the issue wasn't caused by custom firmware/overclocking e.t.c. HTC did repair my bootloader unlocked Nexus One when the power button went flaky, no doubt because the hardware fault wasn't related to the firmware I was running. I did appreciate that.
Never in denial of malware and never said I was.
Define "practically malware". It either is or it isn't.
As for you tablet app hunt, Android isn't iOS.
Devs don't have to write two versions of an app (phone/tablet) since one app can natively support multiple resolutions.
Call it a failure or laziness on a devs part for not including HDPI image sets in their app. If they wrote their apps according to the SDK standards, the image sets will be there and with proper screen support.
Honeycomb specific apps are far and few between... it's still new and I've already stated that they are not there in abundance.
There's about 150 "Featured Tablet apps".
There are more, but again, they are not exclusive to tablets.
Also remember, not all tablets run Honeycomb.
Many also run Froyo and Gingerbread.
HTC from what I have read was pretty good about honoring warrenty on unlock phones depending. But I believe you could not relock those bootloaders as it had a physical fuse change happen to boot loader and if that was changed well it showed it was unlocked not matter what firmware you were running.
But like you said they were pretty good about honoring things no matter what you did firmware wise you could never break. Like you could never kill the power button.
My apologies for not answering your question. I am sure we both know there are good games on the Market; my apologies if I came off as insulting your intelligence. I assumed you were being entirely negative about the Market. I oft respond impulsively, especially in conversations.