Automation of industry has been going on for probably 250 years so this is nothing new. It just looks different each generation. About agriculture, the percent of the US workforce directly involved has gone from over 50% to under 2%. Now we're going to be concerned with the effects of automation?
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Apple Supplier Foxconn Confirms Plans to Build TV Display Factory in Wisconsin
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You're kidding, right? It came directly from Gov. Walker's mouth. It's in many of the reports on the announcement.
I really dont get how you can discount that the whole world was in recession and the US had the worst recession since the great depression, all in his first term. What on earth was he supposed to do?
Why when you make that statement do you not put the context in? No other president in US history has come in to a first team with the issues he had to deal with.
That's what annoys me when people comment. Had I not known the context I would have just believed you. But you deliberately left it out to prove your point and are misleading others deliberately.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...looks-good-compared-with-sluggish-europe-asia
"But the OECD says that compared with our chief competitors, the United States is leading the pack — by miles. From the first quarter of 2008 until the same period this year, U.S. gross domestic product expanded by 10.85 percent. That compares with growth of just 0.64 percent in the Euro area and 0.06 percent in Japan."
Your whole statement is a lie.
Seriously dude.
How can you have bad growth if no one comparable is beating you? even after your worst recession!
At least historians and economists will recognise Obama's legacy correctly even if people who lived through cant see it.
I think you may have watched too many Star Trek episodes. This delusional line of thought is common nowadays in Sillycon Valley where many true believers see robotics and mythical "AI" as rapidly changing the world at the expense of human labor and human interactions.
Another Terry Gou quote: "You can't learn to swim by reading a book" -- think about that in the context of that robotic future you boldly predict...
Showing one quarter of year-over-year data is misleading, at best and deceitful, at worst. Here's a much more relevant five-year look:
"We compared the current recovery’s performance on several metrics against the first five years of the other longest-running expansions — those of 1961-69, 1982-90, 1991-2001 and 2001-07. By almost every measure, the current recovery has lagged well behind those of the past."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...till-underwhelms-compared-with-previous-ones/
Nothing I'm predicting has anything to do with AI. Have you seen the recycling robots for iPhones? We're not very far from fully automated assembly.
If only he were aiming that high, with his policies, the Neolithic is out of reach.
No we are not. Just wait for Foxconn's Plant in Wisconsin.
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Yup. That's what it's like to have your State as 'Monkey in The Middle' in Politics. You and your fellow Wisconsinites will be supporting this plant through budget cuts for over a decade. But hell, it's American Jobs right? Gotta be Patriotic and suck it up.
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If the only reason we think it's one is because that's what Trump said it was, then based on his history of pathological lying it could have been any amount.
This is not personally for you and I'm not a expert on how alive the american dream these days are, but:
I think many people don't see how the game has changed. The real middle class is getting smaller in developed countries. 1% is getting wealthier and more people are struggling. Those who have succeeded in the past usually think that anybody can do it. And those are usually also in charge. But the reality is that fewer people can do it with present situation.
Welfare of a nation is about how well a majority of the people lives. 50 years ago almost anybody could have economically successful life, if they worked hard enough. We are getting closer to times that majority of people can't have a decent living, even if they are doing 2 or 3 jobs. And the worst thing is, it's even hard to find a one good one. Things have to change or it will get ugly.
Global companies seeking tax breaks are not helping. Those who are giving $3B tax breaks for 3000 jobs are making a very risky bet. We all know who pays, if it doesn't go well. If we don't get soon international regulation on tax breaks, there will be no global free equal market economy ever.
I don't believe all Reps are born with silver spoons...as I mentioned I was in the Service for 15 years and I met plenty Reps in it.
My contention is primarily with the Republican Party, it's leaders, and a lot of their rhetoric, particularly regarding this issue. I don't consider myself a "conservative" because that is far too encompassing and I disagree with many issues in that camp while agreeing with a few.
Why on earth would you compare recovery performance with previous era's and not with competitors at the time? How does it make sense? If you remove the competitors at the time you remove the context and the figures are misleading.
It's like comparing a points tally for a soccer league in 2017 vs 1975. What does it actually tell you? If a team scored 70 points in 2017 vs 62 points in 1975 does it actually mean it was a better team if you can't tell how the other teams in the league performed?
What if I told you that in 1975 the 62 points allowed them to win the league but the 70 points in 2017 saw them come third? How well does the performance look now?
Economists are interested in RELATIVE PERFORMANCE. Yes historical peformance like you have presented is interesting but removes context.
Your data would be more interesting if it contained Europe and Japan performance also so we could see if the USA's growth was unusual at the time or par for the course compared to the rest of the world.
Even then you would have to take into account globalisation in the modern world compared to then and how interconnected everyone is. In previous eras you could have very different performance between countries because they were less connected. Not the case at all nowadays.
I suppose you can let data prove anything if your audience has no idea what they are looking for!
Foxconn may build it and hire American workers for a few set years before most are let go and the rest is automated. There is simply no reason to bring a factory here unless they know they'll be saving money.
I can't tell whether you're serious or you're trolling. Yes, those are the same buildings, you're right. But different vantage points. See that nice red brick building in the top two photographs? Those are on your right side. The third image shows that building on the left. The third photo is from the opposite site. You're also comparing an aerial photo to a low slung field photo. The third photo only show the crowds from the three white standing areas beginning from the white building. The relative distance from the camera and counting the large projects and tent encampments placed the third photo fairly close to the white building, as opposed to the prior two aerial shots.
What was the point of your post?
See:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ory-in-wisconsin.2058620/page-5#post-24837988
Also since you’re rambling about inauguration crowd size this is just to show how deceiving the media is (but I don’t actually care to start arguing about crowd size as a key issue, lol, it doesn’t particularly interest me)
Check out giga pixel from fake news cnn even they can’t fake it with giga Pixel
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/15550/new-england-patriots-throw-epic-fake-news-flag-john-nolte
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Looks like you’ve bought into fake MSM narrative too long !
Happens. You live and learn. But some people just live and... double down
I can't tell whether you're serious or you're trolling. Yes, those are the same buildings, you're right. But different vantage points. See that nice red brick building in the top two photographs? Those are on your right side. The third image shows that building on the left. The third photo is from the opposite site. You're also comparing an aerial photo to a low slung field photo. The third photo only show the crowds from the three white standing areas beginning from the white building. The relative distance from the camera and counting the large projects and tent encampments placed the third photo fairly close to the white building, as opposed to the prior two aerial shots.
What was the point of your post?
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So what? Maybe it will, maybe it won't. It's almost like you'd rather people not get employed just so Trump looks stupid, than people getting employed and Trump looks good. But who gives a damn about how Trump looks. We should all be betting FOR jobs being created.
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That's not what it is at all. It's hoping for negative outcomes, driven by blind bias. I too am disgusted. If it were Hillary, he would have stated "Wow, how awesome of Hillary to create 25000 jobs! These positions will be filled fast, and by highly qualified people!". Most certainly.
And the $3 billion dollar subsidy that will the Wisconsin tax payers will have to pick up.
My issue is that Trump is using best case scenario, not mentioning the timeline to 13,000 employees is 15 to 20 years from now. He's doing it on purpose, of course, to inflate the positive, instead of focusing simply on where the reality is. You may only want to see the big potential positive, but I would prefer to be realistic and know that we're talking 3,000 employees within the next 5 years. In 15 or 20 years, maybe even less than that, technology for automation will only further improve, likely reducing the number of employees needed (on production lines).
What we're more likely to see is the need for more engineers to program and manage the robotics used, which is a good thing if we can invest in an education system that actually helps the next generation be prepared for this kind of change.
But this idea that there will be tens of thousands of jobs for high school graduates paying $50k+ going forward is just a pipe dream.
Not saying that college is the answer for educating everyone, but rather that there will undoubtably need to be more people in technical schools learning highly skilled trades, because being un or undereducated in the workforce is never going to provide anything more than menial labor service jobs.
The fact is that Foxconn executives have a proven history of announcing that they will be investing in a given region and building manufacturing and not following through on the promise. Trump has previously made announcement about manufacturing jobs and those jobs just evaporate after he turned away and the media went to the next issue.
Just since the facts presented do not align with your world view does not make them wrong. try looking beyond the labels of 'left' and 'right.'[/QUOTE]
Don’t write stupid things. You know very well that the media isn’t communist. You might as well say the the big right wing press is fascist. Just because you aren’t happy with the news, doesn’t mean you should bs about what it is.
Don’t be a little Trump, and call the real news fake news, and the fake news real news, as he does.
No, just the idiocy of your response. "soul train?" WTF
And facts? Har!! Where I come from that's called rambling and/or lunacy.
One overlooked fact: Wisconsin is giving Foxconn $3 billion in state tax breaks.
Foxconn has so far committed to creating 3,000 jobs at the plant by 2020, with an average yearly wage of $53,000. Which means Wisconsin is paying $1 million per job. Not a great deal.
Foxconn says the number of jobs has the “potential to grow” to 13,000. That seems doubtful, but even assuming the number does grow to 13,000 jobs, Wisconsin will be then be paying about $230,700 for each. Still not a terrific deal.
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But one overlooked fact: Wisconsin is offering Foxconn $3 billion in state tax breaks.
Foxconn has so far committed to creating 3,000 jobs at the plant by 2020, with an average yearly wage of $53,000. Which means Wisconsin is paying $1 million per job. Not a great deal.
Foxconn says the number of jobs has the “potential to grow” to 13,000. That seems doubtful but even assuming the number does grow to 13,000 jobs, Wisconsin will be paying about $230,700 for each. Still not a terrific deal.
Foxconn has so far committed to creating 3,000 jobs at the plant by 2020, with an average yearly wage of $53,000. Which means Wisconsin is paying $1 million per job. Not a great deal.
Foxconn says the number of jobs has the “potential to grow” to 13,000. That seems doubtful, but even assuming the number does grow to 13,000 jobs, Wisconsin will be then be paying about $230,700 for each. Still not a terrific deal.
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But one overlooked fact: Wisconsin is offering Foxconn $3 billion in state tax breaks.
Foxconn has so far committed to creating 3,000 jobs at the plant by 2020, with an average yearly wage of $53,000. Which means Wisconsin is paying $1 million per job. Not a great deal.
Foxconn says the number of jobs has the “potential to grow” to 13,000. That seems doubtful but even assuming the number does grow to 13,000 jobs, Wisconsin will be paying about $230,700 for each. Still not a terrific deal.
Chalk one up for corporate welfare. Not surprised the white working class democrats who voted for Trump support this.
Journal Sentinel (@journalsentinel)
7/28/17, 12:44 PM
#BREAKING Foxconn could get up to $200 million in cash a year from state residents for up to 15 years jsonl.in/2w76W2G
7/28/17, 12:44 PM
#BREAKING Foxconn could get up to $200 million in cash a year from state residents for up to 15 years jsonl.in/2w76W2G