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Oh come on, you are woefully uninformed. First off much of Apples product line was in fact manufactured in the USA. Second; allied industries, for example CRT manufacturing existed in the USA and supplied many manufactures. How do I know this - simple I grew up not to far from a a plant that manufactured CRT's in up state New York. Much of this manufacturing left the USA due to collusion with large manufactures and the government of the USA.

Here is the reality; when you lose a manufacturing plant you lose a lot more than the plant as all industries associated with that business suffer. Those businesses can be anything from the local bar & grill to the electrical apparatus supply house. This is why the lost of manufacturing has so damaged the USA, it exports an amazing amount of wealth out of the country concentrating wealth into the hands of the already wealthy.

So in a nut shell you are completely wrong, Trump is bringing back manufacturing jobs to the USA. These are modern jobs but would you expect anything different? I mean seriously would you want to see old technology jobs coming back to the USA?
His many of Jobs 2.0 Apple products were manufactured in the United States? Maybe some BTO Macs? Certainly not their best selling products.
 
There’s all different kinds of levels and skills. Not every iPhone contract worker in China is some poor unskilled person from a rural village. But it seems like Trump (and you) are saying that’s all people who live in the rust belt are good for - low skilled factory work. Or if someone had a factory job 10 years ago that job should still exist 10 years from now.

Complete non sense!!! The whole point with bringing manufacturing back to the USA is to allow for the range of jobs any community needs. The idea that factory work is low skilled is complete baloney, especially in any modern automated factory. By bringing back manufacturing we open up a board spectrum of jobs from the level of a floor sweeper up to plant manager. In between you have technicians, programmers, engineers, metrology people, nurses, QC organizations, compliancy managers (safety and the like) and whatever a specific plant requires. Your use of the phrase "low skilled factory work" highlights a complete ignorance of what is required to run a factory. Often we see an upside down pyramid (somewhat) with the number of production workers athlete bottom.

AS for what happens in TEN years hell we could all be living in the stone age again when nuclear war destroys all of our electronics. You can't be assured of working on one plant forever. If nothing else technology moves on or you could suffer like many manufactures when a company like Apple wipes out your business.
 
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Got it. You win.

Win what? Its not about winning. You made a statement about political bias when I stated a fact.

You're a long time Macrumors user. There have been rumors floating around about apple manufacturing some of their products in the US.

Also companies do not make decisions like this on the fly. Decisions like these have been in the works for at least a year.
 
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I can only imagine what Wisconsin is giving away to Foxconn. The Pennsylvania EDC was practically begging Foxconn to come to the state and until recently the state was thought to be in the lead in landing the factory. They had meetings with Foxconn in Taiwan. New York State has at least $600 million to build a factory on cleared, shovel-ready land, cheap/guaranteed financing, tax incentives and, like Pennsylvania, was practically begging Foxconn to join the Marcy Nanocenter tech hub.

And China is any different?

How China Built ‘iPhone City’ With Billions in Perks for Apple’s Partner
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/technology/apple-iphone-china-foxconn.html
 
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Interesting. This states been grumping about a labor shortage, while posting flat & dropping wages.
It's also not one of the cheaper states to live in.
 
Dude, calm down with trying to make literally everything negative and spouting off things that are untrue. Trump did not exaggerate the numbers. FOXCONN THEMSELVES announced those figures.

Do your research.

http://www.reuters.com/article/apple-foxconn-wisconsin-idUSL1N1KH10M

He really feels relentless empathy for the difference of those 10k people that were holding their breath between now and 2020 for this gig based on Trump’s utterances like its fact, since they take his word for everything else but this, and will now be left out,

Vs. celebrating the 3k that will actually be employed, and a milestone in manufacturing moving back to US in some capacity,



That can be the ONLY explanation, aside from the obvious of pol bias, right?
 
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Win what? Its not about winning. You made a statement about political bias when I stated a fact.


You're a long time Macrumors user. There have been rumors floating around about apple manufacturing some of their products in the US.

Also companies do not make decisions like this on the fly. Decisions like these have been in the works for at least a year.

Just because something has been "in the works" for years doesn't mean it was guaranteed to happen eventually. I don't know details of this deal yet - I'm just saying that without Trump, those deals would very likely still be "in the works."
 
To make the deal happen there is a reported $3B in tax subsidies that will ultimately be paid by Wisconsin taxpayers. Not exactly fair to other companies already there.
 
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Complete non sense!!! The whole point with bringing manufacturing back to the USA is to allow for the range of jobs any community needs. The idea that factory work is low skilled is complete baloney, especially in any modern automated factory. By bringing back manufacturing we open up a board spectrum of jobs from the level of a floor sweeper up to plant manager. In between you have technicians, programmers, engineers, metrology people, nurses, QC organizations, compliancy managers (safety and the like) and whatever a specific plant requires. Your use of the phrase "low skilled factory work" highlights a complete ignorance of what is required to run a factory. Often we see an upside down pyramid (somewhat) with the number of production workers athlete bottom.

AS for what happens in TEN years hell we could all be living in the stone age again when nuclear war destroys all of our electronics. You can't be assured of working on one plant forever. If nothing else technology moves on or you could suffer like many manufactures when a company like Apple wipes out your business.
I have no problem with America competing for these jobs. My issue is that somehow America is more worthy or deserving of these jobs or foreign companies have a duty to build factories in the US. I’m sure we’re not the only country to have lost manufacturing jobs. Also where is the American Foxconn, where are the American companies that can compete with Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturing companies?
 
Just because something has been "in the works" for years doesn't mean it was guaranteed to happen eventually. I don't know details of this deal yet - I'm just saying that without Trump, those deals would very likely still be "in the works."

If one is going to use flawed logic for a flimsy argument, consistently in the same manner, one could take away Obama’s legacy of taking down Osama Bin laden, when in reality its something that came up in Bush’s head once or twice after 9/11 and he talked about sometimes. FWIW and full disclosure, I cared for neither president.

But let’s not argue that way, because we should be above that.
 
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No matter what side you are on, this is a great day for Wisconsin and a huge win for the US.

Those are facts that cannot be denied.
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Foxconnn said it will create 3,000 jobs. And the potential to grow to 13,000. Which means those 13,000 might never happen. 3,000 is the only solid number.

Thats very true, but that's not what I pointed out. I pointed out that you said those figures originated from Trump's exaggerations, which was proven false.

edit: At least you are getting your sources correct now.
 
So should we get rid of ATMs because they’ve killed off bank teller jobs. Or self checkout at the grocery store? How many B&M jobs has Amazon killed off? Should they be punished for that? I know Trump would love to stop progress and take us back to the 1950s but that isn’t happening.
We still have bank tellers and we still have cashiers—more, in fact. B&Ms killed themselves by not competing well enough.
 
Bringing it back from where? Unless you mean replacing one factory job with another?
You really should stop now because you are so far behind reality that you are making yourself look foolish. As for manufacturing in the USA where do you think the computer industry got its start. The whole industry is pretty much a development of the USA. Companies like HP, Apple and a whole host of others are what gave the Silicon Valley its name.
 
Like with everything, people are exaggerating the reasons and the scale.

Here's why they're doing this in a nutshell. Very large big screen TVs are costly to ship overseas and with inherent loss ratios.
This is the reason many foreign car manufacturers are building more here too. The decrease in shipping and related costs & losses help ease the higher employment costs.

By the way, this notion that Apple products have never been made in the US, is FALSE! In the 1980s & 1990s, most Apple products were still made in California or in the U.S. That changed dramatically when NAFTA became a "cool thing" along with foreign tax havens that most people didn't even know was happening.
 
Love how Foxconn says the plant will employ 3000 people, but Trump says as many as 13000, if it grows. That's a pretty steep growth curve and I'm betting will be a challenge to find enough people to fulfill positions at this level.

I pointed this out already in this thread, but those figures did NOT come from Trump. Those figures were reported by FOXCONN in Foxconn's official statement.

Not sticking up for any of Trump's past statements - but in this particular case, he is not at fault.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-foxconn-wisconsin-idUSKBN1AB258
 
Didn't this conversation of Apple involved plant begin in June of last year when Apple requested a study.
Not related to this...

yeah but that won't stop the trump sycophants on this forum from getting on their knees. :rolleyes:
Except this factory has nothing to do with Apple... so there's that.
This factory will be making TV sized LCD displays and "may" make smaller ones in the future.
 
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I'm not a real political dude, and I don't exactly love Trump... but I find it hard to imagine this would have happened had the alternative candidate won.

This is pretty much my opinion too. There are something Is really dislike about the Trump administration but another Democrat would have been absolutely terrible for this country. Frankly any Democrat, but Hillary would have been especially bad considering her hawkish attitude towards Russia. The problem is the Democrats have become the most elitist of the political parties in this country, bluntly serving the needs of the 1% at the top.

At least Trump understands how so many Ameircans have suffered under the several decades of administrations that have collectively said screw you to anybody not making a million or more a year. Sadly most of Trumps political party doesn't really get it either. There needs to be opportunity in this country for everyone and that has been missing for far too long.
 
You really should stop now because you are so far behind reality that you are making yourself look foolish. As for manufacturing in the USA where do you think the computer industry got its start. The whole industry is pretty much a development of the USA. Companies like HP, Apple and a whole host of others are what gave the Silicon Valley its name.
The Rust Belt isn’t in Silicon Valley.
 
Except this factory has nothing to do with Apple... so there's that.
This factory will be making TV sized LCD displays and "may" make smaller ones in the future.

That doesn't mean it isn't the same factory that Apple reportedly asked Foxconn to look into building.
 
Like with everything, people are exaggerating the reasons and the scale.

Here's why they're doing this in a nutshell. Very large big screen TVs are costly to ship overseas and with inherent loss ratios.
This is the reason many foreign car manufacturers are building more here too. The decrease in shipping and related costs & losses help ease the higher employment costs.

By the way, this notion that Apple products have never been made in the US, is FALSE! In the 1980s & 1990s, most Apple products were still made in California or in the U.S. That changed dramatically when NAFTA became a "cool thing" along with foreign tax havens that most people didn't even know was happening.
So Steve Jobs started manufacturing Apple hardware in China because of NAFTA?
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To make the deal happen there is a reported $3B in tax subsidies that will ultimately be paid by Wisconsin taxpayers. Not exactly fair to other companies already there.
Shhh...don’t ruin the populists big day.
 
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