Apple Supplier Foxconn Confirms Plans to Build TV Display Factory in Wisconsin

[Oridus]

As a taxpayer in WI, I'm very skeptical about this, because a lot of the incentive money is going to come out of our pockets. With a factory having on average 3,000 employees at $53,000 a year (or so is said), it seems like it would take at least 8-10 years to regain those incentives based on economic return through the 10,000 or so (said) construction jobs that would span over 4 years, and then the ongoing employees. I don't think the supply chain jobs that will be directly connected to this plant will bring in as much revenue as what Scott Walker says, especially when he has a terrible track record with estimates on anything. I also believe that a lot of these construction jobs are going to be from people that will temporarily stay in WI up from Illinois to do the work. I don't think there will be a long term return on the wages paid to these workers from out of state, while state taxpayers are left to foot the bill for the incentives.

I guess we will have to wait to see on the official proposals that come out, but if history in WI has taught me anything, the numbers they're saying in terms of economic growth won't be near what they're saying (far below), while the numbers they're saying will be given out for incentives will be pretty accurate... which means WI taxpayers yet again will lose out while we struggle to keep our Badgercare programs up and running, keep our roads maintained (they're ******), and fail to secure actual revenue producing initiatives like high speed rail.

I'm not 100% against it but I'm highly skeptical.

 

[BootsWalking]

1. there are no LCD maker in Wisconsin so it's not unfair to anyone
2. tax subsidies are a discount on the billions that Foxconn will have to pay, not a fee that taxpayer will have to pay. Sales tax and all the people working there will generate billions in earned taxes for the US
3. stop being anti-American
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so you don't agree with a $10 billion investment because Foxconn will get a $3b discount in taxes ?
who cares ? thousands of jobs, apartments, houses, supermarkets for years to come will be busy and pay regular taxes !!!!

stop being anti-American

It's unfair to every other business who operates out of Wisconsin and who didn't get a huge tax subsidy. The fact that those other businesses aren't LCD makers is about as relevant as you calling me anti-American. And those subsidies come right out of taxpayer's pockets.

 

[iMi]

We’re six months in. Give it another 3.5 years at least. If not 7.5 years which is my prediction (oh no!)

Rome wasn’t built in a day. Nor was US rebuilt

But I agree, lets see it continue. That’s not a negative from my perspective, thats a lets give it more than 6 months perspective. Mainstream media has made it feel like this year has been a decade. That’s intentional manufactured exhaustion.

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Impatience is understandable though, I am impatient about other matters more so. But would rather not derail this thread too much even though it inherently is a pol-related thread, because I’ve been known to go on tangents here

This country doesn't have to "rebuilt."

We have literally hit every record one could image. We still have the largest economy in the world with $18 trillion GDP. We still lead the world in science and technology. We still generate more wealth than the next few countries combined. We have some of the highest standards of living in the world.

What are you looking to "rebuild" exactly?

 

[lederermc]

Democrats hate jobs because it means less people on government welfare they can control the money to.

Republicans prefer slavery to jobs.

 

[thadoggfather]

This isn't the first time Foxconn has announced a new factory in the US. Promising to do something and actually doing it are two very different things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...89f3de-ee3a-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html

Ok so I’ll check back in with you in 2020 then to see how things are coming along. What else were you hoping I would say to combat this petty ‘what if’ argument?

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This country doesn't have to "rebuilt."

We have literally hit every record one could image. We still have the largest economy in the world with $18 trillion GDP. We still lead the world in science and technology. We still generate more wealth than the next few countries combined. We have some of the highest standards of living in the world.

What are you looking to "rebuild" exactly?

If you feel everything’s perfect, I suppose the answer is then absolutely nothing!

Which leads me to then wonder if everything is perfect why are people (not you necessarily but the general climate) rabid to the extent they feel Oompa Loompa destroyed all the good stuff in their personal life they once had going and in this country in a measly 6 months? That’s quite remarkable too, and an “accomplishment” too though a bad one, if that’s how you truly feel, that he is that destructive and responsible for that much divisiveness that quickly.

Essentially to me that’s an admission that America isn’t strong or resilient enough to withstand a ‘fascist’ coming in with a wrecking ball of legislation after only 6 months despite it otherwise being good enough to not really need reform generally speaking.

I couldn’t disagree more with both parts of that statement personally But that’s the implication I’m detecting and I don’t get it? Can’t have it both ways

 

[mac_in_tosh]

Democrats hate jobs because it means less people on government welfare they can control the money to.

Oh, come on. It's statements like this that are poisoning political discussion in this country.

 

[AppleFan360]

This is fun to watch. The media keeps focusing on how Trump can't get any of is big agenda items through congress. Meanwhile in the background Trump is encouraging companies to create jobs here in the U.S. and basically acting as a conduit to pump up the economy. I will be surprised if we hear a peep about this on the liberal media outlets.

 

[Glideslope]

flawed logic argument once again

If trump is responsible for all the bad and controversial things happening under his term, he must be responsible for at least some of the good under his term. That's how this works. It's called examination of facts and being a big boy. And conceding that not everything is cookie cutter like you either perceive or hope it is.

You don't get to pick and choose because it fits your narrative. Or you do, but know that some people see through it and call you on it.

I.e. If health care reform being stalled by congress and senate is HIS FAULT ENTIRELY, getting more jobs and for a
Foxconn factory to come here for the first time ever, is equally HIS FAULT or at the very least PARTIALLY becauss ofargument once again

If trump is responsible for all the bad and controversial things happening under his term, he must be responsible for at least some of the good under his term. That's how this works. It's called examination of facts and being a big boy. And conceding that not everything is cookie cutter like you either perceive or hope it is.

You don't get to pick and choose because it fits your narrative. Or you do, but know that some people see through it and call you on it.

I.e. If health care reform being stalled by congress and senate is HIS FAULT ENTIRELY, getting more jobs and for a
Foxconn factory to come here for the first time ever, is equally HIS FAULT or at the very least PARTIALLY becauss of him.

People choose to nitpick good obama things and forget all the bad, and draw attention to things the media has hyped as bad with trump as is expected of media, and not be able to process he can do ANYTHING correctly as good or correct because they won't tell you or just admit it. And it shouldn't be about propping up your argument against all logic and looking for stretches of ways to spin this as a bad thing, if anything it should be I still don't care for him, cause I don't change my opinions at the drop of a pin, but alright good job on this one. It's not hard to do. It's called being human. Admitting you're wrong sometimes or pleasantly surprised sometimes

You follow?

Enjoy life.

 

[thadoggfather]

Enjoy life.

I will take this as a concession you have run out of things to say, in which case,

Thanks ! Your sincerity is also appreciated

 

[CrystalQuest76]

How foxconn's broken pledges in Penn cast doubt on Trump's jobs plan
"Foxconn said it would invest $5 billion over five years in India as part of an ambitious expansion in 2014. The deal would create up to 50,000 jobs, Gou said. But Foxconn’s investment in India has amounted to only a small fraction of what it originally promised.


Similar results were seen in Vietnam, where Foxconn committed to a $5 billion investment in 2007, and in Brazil, where Foxconn spoke of a $10 billion plan in 2011. The company made its first major foray in Vietnam only last year. In Brazil, Foxconn has an iPhone factory, but its investment has fallen far short of expectations."

So, the executives running Foxconn lie like the man that made the claim yesterday even before any documents were signed. No memorandum of understanding has not even been written or signed (which is a required first step). This announcement looks like just a lot of theater.

 

[melgross]

#MAGA

I'm proud of my president. The end.

Yes, you’re right. With him as president, we might be reaching the end.
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Foxconn is receiving $3 Billion in direct government handouts with probably a lot more giveaways. For 3000 jobs. Welfare to ordinary people is a tiny fraction of corporate welfare. If corps paid their fair share of taxes and paid workers decently, there would be no need for welfare.

Any evidence for that number?

 

[melendezest]

This is one of the biggest lies Republicans spout. Open your eyes, and stop believing this nonsense. Look deeper into the issue, and don't over-generalize things like this.

Most Democrats want a safety net for the poor or people who fell on hard times. The problem comes that many people want to take advantage of these safety nets. There need to be laws to stop people from being on these safety nets forever. SOME Democrats believe they can control people leaving them on welfare, but MOST do not.

The Republicans are on the other extreme. They think people shouldn't have safety nets. If they fall on hard times, and don't have savings, tough luck. This helps the wealthy. Pay people low wages, then when something happens, ignore them. Helps keep up their profits and make them richer off the backs of the poor.

Then of course, republicans are all about safety nets for the rich in bankruptcies and bail-outs. And Democrats try to pass laws to stop those extreme safety nets.

I would rather have the safety nets for the poor and for the rich, but I'm on the republican's side that regulations need to be put in place for the poor safety nets, and I'm on the democrat's side that we need regulations for the rich safety nets.

For example, I agree that someone in hard times (like is 30, saved up $200,000 but had to spend it all on $200,000 medical bills, and then got fired from their job), should have a safety net of like 6-12 months to get back on their feet. I also agree that someone who is a CEO, and has failed leadership at a company and forces the company to go bankrupt, laying off hundreds of employees should not be able to get off scott-free with a huge severance and move on to the next company and do it all over again. There should be an amount that they pay back.

I can see both sides, Democrat and Republican.

Thank you for this. You have very succinctly exposed one of the hard decisions that moderates such as myself face as we head to the polls: Which of the 2 choices is the greater evil?

Personally, I feel that (better regulated!) protection for the poor is key. Rich people are rich, and typically that will not change under a "bad run" that breaks the middle and lower classes.

For example I could only dream of saving $200K now, let alone by age 30. When you're born poor the struggle to get ahead is way, way harder than those from the middle or upper classes.

After 15 years of military service, and a medical separation (with no retirement benefits), I was left with zero career, zero insurance, and zero savings, while supporting a family of 6, (and no daddy to set me up with a "small" $1M loan ).

It's hard for the wealthy to truly understand the panic and desperation of being in a situation like that.

If it wasn't for the current safety nets (and the small severance I got from the military), I would not have been able to afford to go back to school and rebuild a career from scratch (given my medical issue prevented me from performing the job I was trained for in the military). Now I was able to pay my loans back, support my family, and get back on my feet, as it were.

I had to use every safety net I could for 4 long years.

So for me it just seems like it's hard for many rich (Republicans) to have empathy for the poor because their parents or grandparents built themselves up from nothing at a different time in our history or under different circumstances, or they were born into money (like our current cartoon-character of a President).

If anything, we as Americans need to ensure that, among everything else, the middle and lower classes have protection from the wealthy captains of industry.

For they hold all the keys. All the power. They are, and always have been, the slave-masters.

 

[The Barron]

Love how Foxconn says the plant will employ 3000 people, but Trump says as many as 13000, if it grows. That's a pretty steep growth curve and I'm betting will be a challenge to find enough people to fulfill positions at this level.

Trump inflates EVERYTHING in his favor and we all know that! Looks at his "massive" inauguration crowd or his poll numbers "YUGE!" or better yet, his hands. Hah!

3,000 jobs maybe when they are fully up & running, but 13, 000? Trump, you're nose continues to grow like the little wooden boy's.

 

[CrystalQuest76]

[QUOTE="amegicfox, post: 24839068, member: 1026611"still everyone on the left in this forum is trying to make this wonderful news appear as a bad thing just like the propaganda communist media does every day.
thank you president Trump and for making this happen !!!![/QUOTE]
The fact is that Foxconn executives have a proven history of announcing that they will be investing in a given region and building manufacturing and not following through on the promise. Trump has previously made announcement about manufacturing jobs and those jobs just evaporate after he turned away and the media went to the next issue.
Just since the facts presented do not align with your world view does not make them wrong. try looking beyond the labels of 'left' and 'right.'

 

[lunarworks]

This country doesn't have to "rebuilt."

We have literally hit every record one could image. We still have the largest economy in the world with $18 trillion GDP. We still lead the world in science and technology. We still generate more wealth than the next few countries combined. We have some of the highest standards of living in the world.

What are you looking to "rebuild" exactly?

"Rebuild" usually tends to mean "tear down Obama's legacy".

But in all honesty,the US does need rebuilding, specifically in terms of infrastructure. Everything built in the post-war era is crumbling, roads, bridges, electrical distribution systems, and that seriously hampers the economic potential of the US. But building infrastructure doesn't get votes, and to build all that you also need to raise taxes, which have been heavily cut since everything was built, so expect everything to crumble for a lot longer.

 

[thadoggfather]

Trump inflates EVERYTHING in his favor and we all know that! Looks at his "massive" inauguration crowd or his poll numbers "YUGE!" or better yet, his hands. Hah!

3,000 jobs maybe when they are fully up & running, but 13, 000? Trump, you're nose continues to grow like the little wooden boy's.

See:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ory-in-wisconsin.2058620/page-5#post-24837988

Also since you’re rambling about inauguration crowd size this is just to show how deceiving the media is (but I don’t actually care to start arguing about crowd size as a key issue, lol, it doesn’t particularly interest me)

Check out giga pixel from fake news cnn even they can’t fake it with giga Pixel
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/15550/new-england-patriots-throw-epic-fake-news-flag-john-nolte
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Looks like you’ve bought into fake MSM narrative too long !

Happens. You live and learn. But some people just live and... double down

 

[iMi]

"small" $1M loan

The best part is that he didn't start with a "small" loan*. He's got hundred of millions of dollars from his father. Anyone with a pulse would have been a billionaire by now if they just kept the money in a diversified brokerage account. Trump managed to bankrupt six times. He's not a self-made man. He's a conman.

*https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-loan-from-his-father/?utm_term=.3accbda342fc

 

[subjonas]

Manufacturing brings balance to the work force.

The prophecy begins.

 

[hudson1]

What is he bringing back? When was the United States ever the hot bed of electronics manufacturing? I don’t want to go back to the 1950s (or earlier).

American companies basically invented the electronics industry.

 

[iMi]

"Rebuild" usually tends to mean "tear down Obama's legacy".

But in all honesty,the US does need rebuilding, specifically in terms of infrastructure. Everything built in the post-war era is crumbling, roads, bridges, electrical distribution systems, and that seriously hampers the economic potential of the US. But building infrastructure doesn't get votes, and to build all that you also need to raise taxes, which have been heavily cut since everything was built, so expect everything to crumble for a lot longer.

Funny you should say that "building infrastructure doesn't get votes." Democrats have tried to pass several bills that would fund infrastructure projects. As recently as January they proposed a trillion dollar bill that would help repair bridges and roads and invest in modern infrastructure projects. Republicans blocked it. They blocked a similarly ambitious plan in 2015 when Obama was still President. So, it's not as much about who's in the White House. They just don't want this because it would employ many of the people they try to convince Democrats don't care about - mainly the working class. It doesn't go with their agenda, so they shut it down. They need those people surprised and believe that they will never find jobs and that no one cares, so they vote for them.

George Bush/Barack Obama did push through an infrastructure bill as part of the recovery stimulus package. That helped a lot, but more could be done. I agree there.

The truth is more cynical and you nailed it. It's not about "re-building" the country. It's about destroying everything Obama accomplished. That's pretty obvious. Look at the healthcare debate. It's not about solving anything. It's about tearing down Obama's crowning achievement. Who cares that 22 million people will lose coverage. It doesn't matter to them. It's amazing to watch, really.

You would think that Republicans would learn from Democrats' mistakes when we overplayed our hand from 2008 to 2010 and then promptly lost the house, the senate and later the Presidency. But, nope. Same ********, different party.

 

[Glideslope]

I will take this as a concession you have run out of things to say, in which case,


Thanks ! Your sincerity is also appreciated

Your welcome.

 

[hudson1]

Apple has been talking about building a manufacturing site in the US before. Nothing new.



With a $7.25 minium wage , you still can't feed your family.

Much of the point of promoting more manufacturing jobs in the USA is that they pay far more (often multiples) than the current legal minimum wage. The bottom line is the opportunity for workers to earn more, usually much more, than they otherwise would. How is that not a Good Thing?

 

[TechGeek76]

Trump inflates EVERYTHING in his favor and we all know that! Looks at his "massive" inauguration crowd or his poll numbers "YUGE!" or better yet, his hands. Hah!

3,000 jobs maybe when they are fully up & running, but 13, 000? Trump, you're nose continues to grow like the little wooden boy's.

Foxconn said this, this has been pointed out several times. It's like you guys don't even CARE to get your facts right.

 

[thadoggfather]

The best part is that he didn't start with a "small" loan*. He's got hundred of millions of dollars from his father. Anyone with a pulse would have been a billionaire by now if they just kept the money in a diversified brokerage account. Trump managed to bankrupt six times. He's not a self-made man. He's a conman.

*https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-loan-from-his-father/?utm_term=.3accbda342fc

If we’re going to obsess over real numbers ie caring at length supposedly about distinction of 3k and 13k jobs.

Consistently,
Let’s draw distinctions here too. It was not hundreds of millions. It was one. We can of course equate that to inflation in today’s terms, but the fact is he received one. To stretch that to hundreds, is beyond insane. Even with inflation.

Since you’re likely more comfortable with fake news activism-journalism masquerading as unbiased and impartial:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/donald-trump-small-loan-town-hall/index.html


And I quote:
“Trump's campaign didn't respond to CNN's question about when his father gave him the $1 million loan -- though it appears to have happened before Trump entered the Manhattan real estate market in the early 1970s.”

So it appears CNN wasn’t taking issue with the claim of $1 million itself, but trying to fit some scandal into the timeline of when he received it Since he supposedly didn’t directly spoonfeed them that info.

So once again, can we please stick to examining facts instead of legitimizing gut emotions?

Oh and to validate that CNN is not impartial, here’s a fun slip:

 

[jeyf]

Americans are obsessed with manufacturing jobs. Their minim wage is way too high.