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no, and I'm sure apple know what is good for us. But sometimes you can't entirely ignore the momentum of the marketplace. Faced with larger and larger screened android/WP7 devices, Apple risk being seen as not responding to change and being left behind.

Even an increase to 4" would be only a small step, with many phones these days being 4.3" and upwards. Perhaps a small compromise by Apple might be worthwhile/necessary?
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Apple seldom seems to bother about trends or the apparent "momentum of the marketplace". They have often made decissions, released products that according to analysts have been "wrong". Just how popular are these huge-screen phones? From most sources I can find none of them are anywhere near Apple's own phone in popularity. The closest being Samsung's latest Galaxy but it still seems to trail the iPhone sales-wise.

By all measurements Apple are still delivering the most sought after cell phone in the market and it is not obvious why they need to respond by adopting specs from lesser-selling hardware...
 
I guess I'm spoiled by being able to have an iphone and an iPad, but having a bigger screen on the phone for me would just take up more space in my pocket and be a bother more than anything.

Exactly. How big do you want your phone to become? For those that remember/know Dom Jolly.... we are moving in that direction.
People once joked about the iPad being a iPhone Large.... well this could become true :eek:
 
Exactly. How big do you want your phone to become? For those that remember/know Dom Jolly.... we are moving in that direction.
People once joked about the iPad being a iPhone Large.... well this could become true :eek:

This sounds like a Chicken Little story.
 
So who is the negative Nancy voting down nearly every post in favor of a larger screen?

Seriously... The funny thing is, I'd bet if Apple released a 4"+ screen iPhone (even with bigger dimensions), many of the same people here will suddenly change their minds and say it's the best iPhone yet. :rolleyes:

*puts on flame suit now*
 
It ain't never gonna happen!

The reason why...
The survey done in here, is made asking tech-interested people! Not for average Joe out there... and while Tech-People might want a bigger screen... Apple has NEVER catered to tech-people!
The average user will not yet accept a screen-size of 4"! the difference from their normal Nokia dumpphones, is simply to big!!

It ain't never gonna happen, and I am actually amazed that this discussion keeps poppin up!
 
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Well. I guess the masses have spoken. I personally don't mind the 3.5" screen on my iP4 and wouldn't mind if iP5 were 3.5". I think the form factor is brilliant. Not too big, not too small. But, I guess if they can pack a 4" screen into a form that isn't too terribly much larger and it isn't too big a deal for developers and 90% of my apps still work, why not? Just hope it doesn't turn into a clunker, but, I guess I should know Apple better than that.

Though, for what it's worth, Steve was against the larger screen :p
 
It ain't never gonna happen!

The reason why...
The survey done in here, is made asking tech-interested people! Not for average Joe out there... and while Tech-People might want a bigger screen... Apple has NEVER catered to tech-people!
The average user will not yet accept a screen-size of 4"! the difference from their normal Nokia dumpphones, is simply to big!!

It ain't never gonna happen, and I am actually amazed that this discussion keeps poppin up!

Logic fail.
Just because tech people want a bigger screen does not necessarily mean non-techies don't want a bigger screen.

By extending your logic:
CEOs are rich, important business people who want more money. But since average people are not rich, important business people, they don't want more money.
 
Why would Apple want to win back Android users?

Android appeals to OCD knob twiddlers and bargain shoppers looking for freebies. Neither of those will be satisfied with an iPhone.


Hahaha, well, I would've used slightly different language, but that's my perspective too. When the poster said "Android users", you have to categorize them:

Category 1, Price Sensitive
Walk in buyers who want a smart phone, low understanding of the marketplace and are mostly concerned about the price. $0.99 HTC-Android-of-the-Month phone satisfies (and let's be honest, a 3GS will look to them like much less of a phone vs. a current HTC/Motorola/Samsung, so the comparable Apple product is ~$100-200 minimum).

Price may be the best driver for these buyers as long the device can access an email account, run a Facebook app and maybe play a few games.

Category 2, Anti-Apple
Knee jerk anti-hipsters. No matter what they do right, Apple is Apple, and the brand equity baggage isn't going to ever going to allow these people to buy. They also talk around most of the subjective quality of Apple like the buying/service/support models and condem expensive notebooks ("They use the same or worse internal components").

Many of these folks also co-occupy Category 3.

Category 3, Tech Heads
Many of these are better-on-paper people, that are convinced that clock-speed, widgets, custom ROM, side-loading apps, Flash, is the be all, do all of phone ownership. Maybe it is, but Apple is [likely] never going to allow the things. This category is occupied by quite a few faux technology experts, who say things like "Apple is closed, hurf durf, Android is open source".

However, there are people here, that are legitimately into the "scene" and enjoy tweaking/hacking/flashing and hanging out at XDA. There may also be real usage scenarios that aren't allowed in the Apple universe.

I'd also say there are some legit, hardcore technologist in this category.

Category 4, Casual Interest
Folks who are willing to give something else a chance, maybe they aren't the biggest fan of iTunes, not specifically passionate about Apple, not hardcore into the customization scene, but might do a few "lite" mods.


It's the Cat 4 who are return to Apple targets first, then maybe Cat 1 people, if/when Apple offers what looks like a competitive product to the average consumer at a comparable price. The Cat 3 people are kind of a tough bunch, *but* clearly based on myself and my peer group, there are fairly hardcore nerds that also dig on Apple, maybe it's just the folks who don't also belong in Cat 2, who I'd say are a completely lost cause.


Just saying: There is one part of the "Professional" market that Apple cannot ever "leave behind", and that is software developers. That also happens to be a group that is not particularly interested in servers.


Well, one day you will grow up and wear what you like instead of worrying about being "cool".

Interestingly, in this thread I have learned that a .5" increase turns your phone from a unusable postage stamp into a breathtaking multimedia device.

Virtual buttons / capacitive buttons are usability nightmares. It won't happen as long as anyone with a clue is in charge at Apple.

Hahaha...

On the second point, I hate the capacitive buttons on my Captivate (and did on my previously owned Atrix).
 
Logic fail.
Just because tech people want a bigger screen does not necessarily mean non-techies don't want a bigger screen.

By extending your logic:
CEOs are rich, important business people who want more money. But since average people are not rich, important business people, they don't want more money.

That is the most rediculous "extending" I've heard in a long time! That has absolutely nothing to do with real life man, and has NOTHING to do with the case at hand... Stay on target man!! ;)

Look around... Average Joe is STILL hesitative buying a smartphone, and one reason is the size and to many functions they don't know how to use...! It is changing... but we are still in a transition periode in the market! So manufacturers and the market is still focused on first time buyers, and then secondly catering to people allready converted! Reason: The market for first time buyers, is still WAY bigger than existing users!
 
Well. I guess the masses have spoken. I personally don't mind the 3.5" screen on my iP4 and wouldn't mind if iP5 were 3.5". I think the form factor is brilliant. Not too big, not too small. But, I guess if they can pack a 4" screen into a form that isn't too terribly much larger and it isn't too big a deal for developers and 90% of my apps still work, why not? Just hope it doesn't turn into a clunker, but, I guess I should know Apple better than that.

Though, for what it's worth, Steve was against the larger screen :p

You can bet the current screen size has been tested vs, other sizes for all kinds of reasons and then some.

Let's not forget that men usually develop things and when they hold something they many times don't give a second thought about female hand sizes.

The 4S is perfect for one hand operation as others mentioned, fits great into jeans and shirt pockets.

The poll is insignificant and bigger isn't always better.

I hope they can increase the real estate within the current case design. That would be the ideal solution.

Maybe the 4" panels shipped are for the new Apple TV remote:)
 
You can bet the current screen size has been tested vs, other sizes for all kinds of reasons and then some.

Let's not forget that men usually develop things and when they hold something they many times don't give a second thought about female hand sizes.

The 4S is perfect for one hand operation as others mentioned, fits great into jeans and shirt pockets.

The poll is insignificant and bigger isn't always better.

I hope they can increase the real estate within the current case design. That would be the ideal solution.

Maybe the 4" panels shipped are for the new Apple TV remote:)

Agree 100%... well, except maybe the part about the remote!

EDIT: If they went wide screen, they could obviously pull it off. If they wanted to keep the ratio I guess they'd have to go a little wider.
 

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Personally I prefer the 3.5" screen. Just fits better in my hand.

Also when I see people using those huge Android phones I immediately am transported back to 1983. Back then people walked about with boom box radios and looked like idiots. Much the same with large phones today.
 
I'm a little torn. On the one hand, I don't really want Apple to get a bigger screen size just because that's what everyone else is doing. If you need a 4" screen, fine. If 3.5" is better, fine. But a lot of people seem to be after just specs rather than need.

Personally, I would like a slightly bigger/bulkier iPhone actually. I have a Mophie case/battery for my iPhone 4 which adds a bit of bulk. Whenever I take it out of the case, the iPhone seems flimsier. I know a lot of people value thinness, but I'd be willing to go thicker for a more comfortable fit, bigger battery & maybe more powerful CPU/GPU, etc.



While it sounds like the guy was sarcastic, if he/she's serious, I agree. However, I think that these two pictures are more accurate: one face palm isn't enough. :p

You could tell it's a different part of the movie by how high the horizon is compared to the head.
 

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No need...

so keep the resolution the same and increase the screen to 4" and quietly drop the "retina" name until tech is good enough to double the resolution in several years

99.9% of iphone buyers WILL NOT CARE

They wouldn't need to drop the "retina" name. Anything with or over 300 dpi can be dubbed a retina display. The actual display as a 326 dpi resolution. I see room to grow here...
 
Since my earlier posts were off topic,

I think the current factor is fine for myself, I like it. 4' wouldn't bother me either.

Sum it up: I don't give a s***. :p
 
Seriously... The funny thing is, I'd bet if Apple released a 4"+ screen iPhone (even with bigger dimensions), many of the same people here will suddenly change their minds and say it's the best iPhone yet. :rolleyes:

*puts on flame suit now*

I got the 4S, so I could get two more years before being foced in a 4" screen, if the iPhone 5 has one...
 
My main point is, it would be good for the to have a foot in enterprise, regain the media market they somewhat lost. FCPx, soon to be Logic.
My main point is YOU can't even USE FCP7 OR Logic's capabilities to their potential so why worry about FCPX or LogicX in 64 bit kernel?
The new versions of software will fix a lot of things... it's inevitable so I still use older versions...
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I'm a little torn. On the one hand, I don't really want Apple to get a bigger screen size just because that's what everyone else is doing. If you need a 4" screen, fine. If 3.5" is better, fine. But a lot of people seem to be after just specs rather than need.

Personally, I would like a slightly bigger/bulkier iPhone actually. I have a Mophie case/battery for my iPhone 4 which adds a bit of bulk. Whenever I take it out of the case, the iPhone seems flimsier. I know a lot of people value thinness, but I'd be willing to go thicker for a more comfortable fit, bigger battery & maybe more powerful CPU/GPU, etc.




While it sounds like the guy was sarcastic, if he/she's serious, I agree. However, I think that these two pictures are more accurate: one face palm isn't enough. :p

You could tell it's a different part of the movie by how high the horizon is compared to the head.
Boy now aren't YOU original! Stealing my trademark!
Go get your own!
Now you KNOW why I do this:
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A bigger screen is not necessarily better. This is a phone, after all. The most important thing is that it is comfortable to hold and easily fits into your pocket. For the longest time, phone manufacturers were pushing to create the smallest phone. That was often touted as the main selling point…now, we’ve come full circle where, “bigger” is being pushed out as “better” to consumers. Interesting.
 
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