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The iPhone 5c is .99 cents on verizon.is that not considered low end market?

No.
Verizon is not going to give anyone a $549 phone for 99 cents. Customers will be charged the full price of that phone over the term of their contract.
 
Samsung Pay??? Gimme a break!
How trustworthy can it be?
More than Android Pay or Google Wallet. Follow the money.

Samsung, like Apple is in the product-to-consumer business vs. Google who is in business of datamining their sheeple, and selling them out to the highest corporate advertising contract.

Samsung and Apple, we are the customer.
Google, we are the product.

On top of that. Both MC and VISA have come out praising Samesung Pay, saying it utilizes the same Token system they created for Apple Pay.
 
No.
Verizon is not going to give anyone a $549 phone for 99 cents. Customers will be charged the full price of that phone over the term of their contract.

No its .99 cents with a 2 year contract just like the iPhone 6 is 199 with a 2 year contract.

This sale counts as apples low end market for people that can't afford 200 for an iPhone 6.

Just like I'm going to pay 299 for a gs6 edge on a 2 year contract.

Its apples low end market phone and you know it.
 
And the funny thing is that both had grown less than the whole market, the number of smartphones sold is astonishing

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Samsung, like Apple is in the product-to-consumer business vs. Google who is in business of datamining their sheeple, and selling them out to the highest corporate advertising contract.

Samsung and Apple, we are the customer.
Google, we are the product.

Still propagating this wrong things?
 
That's absolutely crazy when you consider Samsung targets the full range of prices all the way down to dirt cheap while Apple focuses on the high end.

That's like BMW outselling not just Lexus but the whole Toyota division too! Almost unheard of in business.

Same point I was going to make! Even the Toyota comparison would only be comparable if Toyota made cars consumers could purchase for $500!

Very good analogy. I suppose Apple does sell some mid-range priced phones (the 5C), but overall, very good analogy indeed.

Exactly.
At least this is better than often seen "Android vs. iPhone" comparisons (which would be like BMW vs. nearly ALL car manufacturers).

If Apple focuses on the high end, why do they sell free and $99 iPhone's on their website? Sounds like Apple is targeting the full range of prices too, all the way down to free even.

http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/family/iphone/compare
 
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Hang on... I thought it was Samsung who make half of the stuff for Apple? Perhaps that is laptops as opposed to iPhones? I can't remember, but it rings a bell.
 
If Apple focuses on the high end, why do they sell free and $99 iPhone's on their website? Sounds like Apple is targeting the full range of prices too, all the way down to free even.

http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/family/iphone/compare

You cannot account for subsidies in the value of the phone.

Apple regardless of how much you pay up front to your vendor gets the full price of the device. That $650 phone, which you only paid $299 upfront for is still a $650 device.

Where the money comes in is different. You are indirectly, through your contract amortizing the remainder of the value of that phone over the length of your contract.

That phone is still $650

Apple does not have a single device, that is valued under $450. The Android camp has several phones in the < $200 range and a couple of them are fantastic devices that run extremely well. (though MOST devices in th category tend to be lackluster)

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Hang on... I thought it was Samsung who make half of the stuff for Apple? Perhaps that is laptops as opposed to iPhones? I can't remember, but it rings a bell.

Samsung is one of Apples leading supplier for microchips and many other parts found in the iPhone
 
You cannot account for subsidies in the value of the phone.

Apple regardless of how much you pay up front to your vendor gets the full price of the device. That $650 phone, which you only paid $299 upfront for is still a $650 device.

Where the money comes in is different. You are indirectly, through your contract amortizing the remainder of the value of that phone over the length of your contract.

That phone is still $650

Apple does not have a single device, that is valued under $450. The Android camp has several phones in the < $200 range and a couple of them are fantastic devices that run extremely well. (though MOST devices in th category tend to be lackluster)

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Samsung is one of Apples leading supplier for microchips and many other parts found in the iPhone

The 8 GB iPhone 5c is apples low end market share phone.its 450 unlocked from apple and caters to the low end market of the world.making it 450 allows carriers to give the phone away for free.

If apple cared only about high end the phone would not existexist,let alone 8gb storage space on it.
 
You cannot account for subsidies in the value of the phone.

Everyone pays subsidies, it's all about what you pay out the door.

Free is still free, and $99 is still $99 if a customer gets to walk away with a phone that day.

Subsidies aside, Apple is still very much targeting the mid range and low range of devices, and people here are just lying to themselves by pretending any differently.
 
If Apple focuses on the high end, why do they sell free and $99 iPhone's on their website? Sounds like Apple is targeting the full range of prices too, all the way down to free even.

http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/family/iphone/compare

They aren't $99 (or free). They are carrier subsidized. They carrier recoups the cost of the phone in your monthly fees. Basically you are paying $99 down and renting to own the phone for the next 24 months, similar to "buying" a car for $10k down and paying $500/mo for the next 5 years. The car isn't costing you $10k.

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The aren't $99 (or free). They are carrier subsidized. They carrier recoups the cost of the phone in your monthly fees.

Ignore the subsidies, everyone pays them. It's still Apple targeting the mid and low range of devices, so it's untrue for people here to claim that they don't.
 
Ignore the subsidies, everyone pays them. It's still Apple targeting the mid and low range of devices, so it's untrue for people here to claim that they don't.
Perhaps in USA, but in a lot of places there are no subsidies.

And the fact is that Apple caters to the high end market of smartphones. Vertu et al are o another league
 
Everyone pays subsidies, it's all about what you pay out the door.

Free is still free, and $99 is still $99 if a customer gets to walk away with a phone that day.

Subsidies aside, Apple is still very much targeting the mid range and low range of devices, and people here are just lying to themselves by pretending any differently.

Not everyone pays subsidies. there are markets around the world that have none. Believe it or not, these are markets Apple traditionaly does terrible in.

But you are NOT getting a phone for $99.
I'm not sure if you just don't undersrtand what amortization is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amortization

What subsidies do is amortize the cost of that device over the length of your contract. YOu pay for it. Everytime. The carrier might give apple their $650 up front, but included in your contracted value is money to cover the cost of that device.

that device didnt suddenly become only a $99 phone. if thats the case, want to sell me one for $99?
 
so far outside of the individuals who have gotten their hands on the S6 at MWC, the overall response has been "meh".

that might change once people get their hands on it.

Looks like the Apple Defense Force is in full motion after the unveil. First it was plastic now their calling aluminum and glass cheap feeling. The same materials that iDevices have been made out of since the beginning of time. ;)
And where are these credible "meh" individuals? Sites from thetherge, engadget and phonearena have said nothing but good things about the design and feel. Even BGR is rocking the design.
And are you referring to the S6 or the S6 Edge? I personally don't care for the S6 standard model because to me it's nothing special but the S6 Edge is the real deal.
 
Not everyone pays subsidies. there are markets around the world that have none. Believe it or not, these are markets Apple traditionaly does terrible in.

But you are NOT getting a phone for $99.

Of course not, but you're missing the point I'm trying to make.

Even with subsidies, they're still only going to make $450 max with no contract on their cheapest 8gb device. That's considered low end for apple considering their most expensive device tops out at $949 with no contract.

$450 is considered their low end, with a range of mid-range and top tier prices.

It's absolutely dishonest for people to claim Apple focuses on high end devices, because they most certainly don't.
 
Samsung is probably not losing market share to Apple, but more like to the smaller Android OEMs out there that are selling premium stuff for cheap. The resultant effect is that their market share is smaller.
 
Looks like the Apple Defense Force is in full motion after the unveil. First it was plastic now their calling aluminum and glass cheap feeling. The same materials that iDevices have been made out of since the beginning of time. ;)
And where are these credible "meh" individuals? Sites from thetherge, engadget and phonearena have said nothing but good things about the design and feel. Even BGR is rocking the design.
And are you referring to the S6 or the S6 Edge? I personally don't care for the S6 standard model because to me it's nothing special but the S6 Edge is the real deal.

none. After the announcement I do what I always do (even for apple keynotes)

I walk away from the computer and don't read any reviews for a while. It helps me avoid the "honeymoon period" of new product announcements where Hype tends to overwhelm.

While this isn't obviously proof of a trend, I have talked with many in the last day or two outside of the tech world. friends, family, Hockey buddies, generally people who are not deep into the tech world who catch the odd glimpses of devices from mainstream media.

And the response there so far has been "meh".

That is all I can really base it on right now. And until I get it in my hands to play with, I will reserve judgement on the overall quality of the device.

I just don't think Samsung is going to have a runaway success with the S6. The Edge is intriguing and it seems to be the device getting most of the discussion.
 
Samsung is probably not losing market share to Apple, but more like to the smaller Android OEMs out there that are selling premium stuff for cheap. The resultant effect is that their market share is smaller.

A small part of the market has been lost to Samsung due to iPhone 6+

Especialy in Korea
 
Ignore the subsidies, everyone pays them. It's still Apple targeting the mid and low range of devices, so it's untrue for people here to claim that they don't.

not true. Example,
you can pay $99 for a smartphone and pay the carrier $80/month for the next 24 months; or pay $800 to Apple upfront and pay $50/month to the carrier (bring your own phone).

There's really no difference. In the former case, the carrier is buying the phone from Apple and renting it to you by marking up their monthly fee. You own the phone after you've paid it off over 24 months.

When looking at the cost of the phone, you look at the cost to buy the phone out right. That's the cost.

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not true. Example,
you can pay $99 for a smartphone and pay the carrier $80/month for the next 24 months; or pay $800 to Apple upfront and pay $50/month to the carrier (bring your own phone).

There's really no different. In the former case, the carrier is buying the phone from Apple and renting it to you by marking up their monthly fee.

When looking at the cost of the phone, you look at the cost to buy the phone out right. That's the cost.

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Or you can pay Apple $450 up front, for one of their low-end devices, and then pay $50/month to a carrier.

What's your point?
 
Youtube any hands on review and see what they say about the build quality.

Go ahead and see for your self.try and find one saying they didn't like it while your at it

And so what? Samsung have managed to replicate the build quality iPhone have had for almost 8 years. Congratulations! Other than that, it's a blatant ripoff. Samsung can not even come up with their own interface for the fingerprint app, but instead uses almost a 1:1 clone of Touch ID on iOS.

I know you're a Samsung fanatic (your ~900 posts here on MR where 100% is about Samsung tells it all), but millions have finally seen the light, and abandoned that sinking ship. You can't build long-lasting success on ripoffs, and Samsung's sales is a witness of that. A 10% loss in Q4 2014 compared to 2013 speaks for itself.
 
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