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Of course not, but you're missing the point I'm trying to make.

Even with subsidies, they're still only going to make $450 max on their cheapest 8gb device. That's considered low end for apple considering their most expensive device tops out at $949.

$450 is considered their low end, with a range of mid-range and top tier prices.

It's absolutely dishonest for people to claim Apple only targets high end devices, because they most certainly don't.

I would never say Apple only targets high end. But they are priced on the 'higher end' (not taking into account subsidies)

its why the 5c was generally considered a failure by most tech geeks. Apple cam out with a "cheap" variant of their device, but still priced it in the upper end. $450 when it was released was only $200 less than the flagship device at the time, While most people (maybe incorrectly) was expecting a budget iphone. $450 was not "Budget"
 
not true. Example,
you can pay $99 for a smartphone and pay the carrier $80/month for the next 24 months; or pay $800 to Apple upfront and pay $50/month to the carrier (bring your own phone).

There's really no difference. In the former case, the carrier is buying the phone from Apple and renting it to you by marking up their monthly fee.

When looking at the cost of the phone, you look at the cost to buy the phone out right. That's the cost.

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What carriers do this besides T-Mobile and probably the prepaid guys? As far as I know, with Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint, whether you buy a free phone, a $200 subsidied phone, or full retail, you're still paying the same monthly charge.

Unless you're considering those jump/edge/next promotions, which are a waste of money.
 
not true. Example,
you can pay $99 for a smartphone and pay the carrier $80/month for the next 24 months; or pay $800 to Apple upfront and pay $50/month to the carrier (bring your own phone).

There's really no different. In the former case, the carrier is buying the phone from Apple and renting it to you by marking up their monthly fee.

When looking at the cost of the phone, you look at the cost to buy the phone out right. That's the cost.

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That's not the case with my Verizon family plan.we have 3 upgrades and get the phones cheap and does not affect our monthly payments at all.

You trade a subsidized phone for extending your contract another 2 years with a huge early termination fee(price of the phone)either way its a non issue since we have had Verizon for like 10 years and have 4 grandfathered unlimited data plans in our main family plan.

We are getting 3 galaxy s6s when they come out and our monthly bill will not change.

It takes a bit with transferring upgrades to a capped line then switching Sim to an unlimited line but the end result is we will get 3 subsidized phones without our bill changing at the end of the day
 
My point is that Apple doesn't sell $99 phones.

My point was Apple certainly doesn't focus solely on high end devices, like some of the top voted comments in this thread claim. You'd have to be blind and oblivious to think that was true.
 
That's not the case with my Verizon family plan.we have 3 upgrades and get the phones cheap and does not affect our monthly payments at all.

You trade a subsidized phone for extending your contract another 2 years with a huge early termination fee(price of the phone)either way its a non issue since we have had Verizon for like 10 years and have 4 grandfathered unlimited data plans in our main family plan.

You are paying for the phone with a higher monthly cost. If you went with your own fully-paid for phone, Verizon (and AT&T) would give you a discount of about $25 a month per phone which equals the subsidy over 24 months.

Again, it's the same either way. There is no free lunch.
 
What carriers do this besides T-Mobile and probably the prepaid guys? As far as I know, with Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint, whether you buy a free phone, a $200 subsidied phone, or full retail, you're still paying the same monthly charge.

Unless you're considering those jump/edge/next promotions, which are a waste of money.

What's wrong T-mobile and the other guys (like Walmart who just goes through one of the carriers) ? You may have a gripe about the US carrier plans, but Apple still doesn't sell $99 phones.
 
You are paying for the phone with a higher monthly cost. If you went with your own fully-paid for phone, Verizon (and AT&T) would give you a discount of about $25 a month per phone which equals the subsidy over 24 months.

Again, it's the same either way. There is no free lunch.

No its not we have unthrottled unlimited plans and 3 of us hit over 25gb a month.

Our bill after taxes and everything is 247 a month for 5 lines and sbsolutely unheard of these days.
 
"..it is through a solid ecosystem of apps, content and services unique to Samsung devices that Samsung can secure more loyalty and longer-term differentiation at the high end of the market.."

lol wat?
 
No its not we have unthrottled unlimited plans and 3 of us hit over 25gb a month.

Our bill after taxes and everything is 247 a month for 5 lines and sbsolutely unheard of these days.

I have six lines and pay less than that. Of course, unlimited is worth something to you. For most, the family plans which offer a large pool of shared data is more than enough.
 
My point was Apple certainly doesn't focus solely on high end devices, like some of the top voted comments in this thread claim. You'd have to be blind and oblivious to think that was true.

correct, not solely, maybe "mostly" is a better word.

Apple sells phone in the US$450-950 range. The US$450 ones are consider older models (5/5c) also I think the 5c was considered the upper mid market when it was released. I consider $450 the upper part of the mid market.

The bulk of Apple's phones are from the iphone 6 and 6+. I think their avg sell price as around $650.

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What's wrong T-mobile and the other guys (like Walmart who just goes through one of the carriers) ? You may have a gripe about the US carrier plans, but Apple still doesn't sell $99 phones.

Regarding the bolded, I'm not sure what you're saying.


I don't have a gripe with carrier plans. It is what it is. I'm just saying, for most of the carriers, you still pay the same monthly plan whether you buy something full retail or get it for free up front. I think only Tmobile and some smaller guys reduce monthly plans based on what you pay up front.
 
Regarding the bolded, I'm not sure what you're saying.


I don't have a gripe with carrier plans. It is what it is. I'm just saying, for most of the carriers, you still pay the same monthly plan whether you buy something full retail or get it for free up front. I think only Tmobile and some smaller guys reduce monthly plans based on what you pay up front.

No, both AT&T and Verizon offer significant ($25) monthly discounts for paid-off phones on their family plans.
 
Apple just had its biggest release ever with a larger screen phone.

Let's see how these numbers look the next 2 quarters when Samsung releases it's gs6 phones.

It's news to me that apple stopped selling iPhone 4s and 5cs for the low end? Is that true that apple only sells iPhone 6 and 6 plus now?

The iPhone 5c is .99 cents on verizon.is that not considered low end market?

Yes, if the GS6 performs anything like the 5 or 4, they will sell less than half what Apple sold in one quarter over the entire coming year.

As for the low end, a low end phone costs $20-50 OFF contract.
 
I have six lines and pay less than that. Of course, unlimited is worth something to you. For most, the family plans which offer a large pool of shared data is more than enough.

How much are you paying for 6 lines? Our bill was 225 last month plus 10 extra for calling Greece and a few extra for taxes and that is with a 20% discount for working at Raytheon
 
Regarding the bolded, I'm not sure what you're saying.


I don't have a gripe with carrier plans. It is what it is. I'm just saying, for most of the carriers, you still pay the same monthly plan whether you buy something full retail or get it for free up front. I think only Tmobile and some smaller guys reduce monthly plans based on what you pay up front.

Understood.
Correct me if I'm wrong: In the US, the big 3 carriers do not offer a discount if you have your own phone. So, if you must pay the subsidy regardless, you may as well get a new phone out of the deal. Right?

(I just did a quick google, and Verizon does have $45 and $60 1GB/2.5Gb monthly plans, if you bring your own device)
 
If Apple focuses on the high end, why do they sell free and $99 iPhone's on their website? Sounds like Apple is targeting the full range of prices too, all the way down to free even.

http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/family/iphone/compare

I think you are confusing subsidized contract pricing with actual $99 or free phones. Samsung sells phones that are less than $99 period. Meaning without a subsidy. Apple does not. Any Apple phone costs hundreds of dollars. Period. An iPhone 5c in India is a really expensive luxury and many times more expensive than a cheap Samsung phone.
 
Understood.
Correct me if I'm wrong: In the US, the big 3 carriers do not offer a discount if you have your own phone. So, if you must pay the subsidy regardless, you may as well get a new phone out of the deal. Right?

(I just did a quick google, and Verizon does have $45 and $60 1GB/2.5Gb monthly plans, if you bring your own device)


Yeah, but those are prepaid plans. I'm referring to their regular MORE everything plans.
 
I broke 30gb this month!
 

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How much are you paying for 6 lines? Our bill was 225 last month plus 10 extra for calling Greece and a few extra for taxes and that is with a 20% discount for working at Raytheon

As an example, AT&T charges $100 for 10GB. I'm on a promotion that doubled that to 20GB for the same price. I get a 25% discount so I pay $75 for data.

Then, each line is $15 so $90. Total is $165 + taxes.

https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/data-plans.html

I think Verizon and TMobile are about the same.

20GB is plenty for my family but it won't be enough for yours. 30GB on one line! Wow!
 
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