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If their excuse for not including a charger is e-waste reduction... then they darn well need to reduce the price of the iPhone for the amount they charge for a charger + shipping.

If the price of the iPhone stays the same— the real reason is obvious: Greed.
 
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Also: Apple's chargers aren't even that good. If I'm using any new chargers, they will be from Anker or Aukey.

I trust that other brands make good chargers, but personally, l'd still only buy a third party charger if it's sold by Apple, as I would trust the provenance of the supply chain. I'm probably not the only one who was alarmed years ago reading about counterfeit iPhone chargers which were missing critical circuity to prevent damage (or even fire).
 
If their excuse for not including a charger is e-waste reduction... then they darn well need to reduce the price of the iPhone for the amount they charge for a charger + shipping.

If the price of the iPhone stays the same— the real reason is obvious: Greed.
Or maybe the new iPhones simply cost more to make? And that the savings due to fewer bundled accessories and lower shipping costs could go towards offsetting a possible price increase from 5g modems and other new technologies.
 
A narrow world view? Lol. I am giving you an opinion on a charger. I am telling you my own experience and opinion. It's a way for Apple to save themselves some money, not a way for them to save the planet.

Yes. Your own experience is a narrow view. You never thought about what happened to the phone and charger after you sold it and thus your opinion on the environmental aspect is incomplete. You're right, Apple is doing it for profit. It's still better for the environment.
 
About time - the chargers they include are crap anyhow. They stopped packaging the charger with the iPod Touch years ago (if it ever came with one). Who cares.

And no, they aren't going to take the $3 off the price of the phone to account for not including a charger. Would you care if they did?

Only suckers buy new iPhones anyhow. Buy used.
 
Ideally, they’d not include one by default for enviromental reasons, and sure, their profit margin.

But they ask you if you need one when you buy a device and if so, sell it to you at cost.
 
It is sort of like being asked if you would like to receive your brand new car with tires or without, since most of us have at least one car with us already and since tires are so costly, we could just put them in the car we need and leave the other car on jacks. If we need to use all our cars in the house at the same time, we buy tires for all of them. If not, we have saved the environment. Surely, a person who can afford a multi-thousand dollar car can afford a multi-hundred dollar spend on tires, yes?

Last I checked most car owners don’t have 20 old tires from their previous cars sitting around.
 
I, and I assume most people, sell it with their old phone, therefore we need a new one with whatever phone we upgrade to. Stop being cheap and continue to include the adapter.
Many other companies have done this before (Nintendo with the “new” 3DS XL being the most recent in my mind).
You really have -no- spare chargers around the house? I can find 15 in mine. And yes I sell my phones to achieve a new version.
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Last I checked most car owners don’t have 20 old tires from their previous cars sitting around.
This makes no sense. Tires wear, and not only that but dry and crack over the years if unused. Chargers retain the ability to charge perfectly. I have chargers from 10 years ago that still perform like new. Paul Walker died in part because the tires on the Porsche were original and therefore ~10+ years old, chargers don’t represent the same risk.
 
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Has anyone considered of Apple will just offer bundles?
Pick your charger 5w/18w/30w

(I hope they come out with a new 20w that is GaN based and is smaller than Anker 30w which I have two of)

pick your headphones
wired/wireless

instead of just giving folks things they don’t use/need

I like the folks say they are being cheap, could be just cost based could be enviromental efforts (which is also costs based), could be choice based like in suggesting.
I have 3x 18w chargers now. iPad Pro and two iPhones 11 Pro (ones from work). Guess which charger I use?!

one Samsung Qi charger (oh for my AirPods as well)
And one of the two Anker 30w.
I have a bin of chargers from old Android phones and tablets and old iPhones. Recently donated a bunch of the 5w chargers Apple and non Apple ones.

I sell most of my phones (as long as family members are good and don’t need a handmedown upgrade) the buyers don’t care that much about chargers. I’ve seen very little difference in including the charger and not in my sales. Same goes for Original boxes. I get the idea that it would appear better but my sales history has shown people just want the device...working and for a decent price.

I even list iPhones with Applecare+ and people are like I don’t need that take off $5 I’m like okay. I call Apple and get my $30 prorated refund on the Applecare+ right
the sale.



So I keep them and now have too many lol.

ive also given some to friends and family especially the 10 and 12w ones.


Again I think bundle options are the way to go.

think about the retail value of the items:

$29 EarPods
$19 lightning cable
$19 5w char

roughly $70 USD before local state taxes

what if they just offered that off the price? And you pick your accessories?

I wouldn’t want the EarPods and I’d go with AirPods for $99. I don’t need another charger.

If I’m a new customer I can use my existing Bluetooth headphones or buy a lightning adapter for $9 for wired
And pick which charger is worth it to me. Min a lightning cable. $19

maybe discounts for bundling
 
I trust that other brands make good chargers, but personally, l'd still only buy a third party charger if it's sold by Apple, as I would trust the provenance of the supply chain. I'm probably not the only one who was alarmed years ago reading about counterfeit iPhone chargers which were missing critical circuity to prevent damage (or even fire).

If the chargers were only sold separately, that would still be your choice. I'd take a superior model using GaN. The market has matured a lot. There are still bad chargers, but there are other well respected brands that have charging as their bread and butter.
 
I use it maybe once or twice a year for my iPhone, actually use it more with other USB devices like my drone or dash cam, so it does get used but would I miss it if they didn't include one in my next iPhone, probably not. Better off getting a power board with built in USB, much less clutter on the desk.
 
The bean counting begins... either that or the next phone is going up in price a lot and they want to make it look lower by reducing somethings.

iphone 12 - 5 cameras, 16gb storage, $1399, oh wait, there’s no charger we can sell it for $1389 😝
 
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I, and I assume most people, sell it with their old phone, therefore we need a new one with whatever phone we upgrade to. Stop being cheap and continue to include the adapter.
So, you've always been satisfied with using the slow 5W charger your phone shipped with? You never discovered that even iPhones without "fast charge" can charge a lot faster with a better USB charger?
 
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The issue is not the charger. It's the CABLE quality. If you think about it for a moment, it's the cable that always gets thrown away. Apple needs to add quality cables that don't break apart and get thrown to waste.
 
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Apply is only removing the wall brick not the cord.

A lot of electronics do this just giving you the USB cord. I guess Apple is seeing it as a lot of people have an adapter of some kind and you can use iPad ones as well.

I assume they’re trying to lower the amount of e waste chargers create.
 
A lot of people have been crying out for years for Apple to provide a fast charger, they did for one cycle and now they won't haha I would have thought Apple would at least give it one more cycle before ditching the charger, so people upgrading from older models can get a fast charger but yea money.
 
It is sort of like being asked if you would like to receive your brand new car with tires or without, since most of us have at least one car with us already and since tires are so costly, we could just put them in the car we need and leave the other car on jacks. If we need to use all our cars in the house at the same time, we buy tires for all of them. If not, we have saved the environment. Surely, a person who can afford a multi-thousand dollar car can afford a multi-hundred dollar spend on tires, yes?

These aren't equal. Not getting a charging block vs not getting tires warrant different levels of outrage.

Wouldn't the closer example be the removal/upcharge for the spare that used to be included with new car purchase?
 
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