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Well the second guy I posted moved his mom back to windows, and is moving back to windows the next purchase he makes because his apple products were more defective than the pc products.

edit: another example of a mac user going back to windows after his apple experience.

http://www.appledefects.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=392

Oh so he must have moved 3 years ago then right? :rolleyes:

I can also find sites complaining about PC's, lol, doesn't mean jack:

http://www.ihatedell.net/forum/phpBB2/
 
Yup. Completely agree. For example, my mother needs a replacement for her ancient iBook. She does NOT need any serious power, but a larger 17" screen to watch movies on would be a great feature for her. Unfortunately, she'd have to spend $1800 for that screen, over the baseline Macbook. And there's no way, with her technical skills, she could transition to a PC. So, unfortunately, the low-end Macbook it is.
Yeah this is because Apple equates power with screen size. So basically smallest screen = weakest, biggest = strongest. Apple should have a $999 16 inch MacBook with the same specs as the 13-inch (and the 13-inch be $799).
 
Congratulations, all you did was state the obvious. No manufacture is able to turn out completely working products 100% of the time. I could go online and find accounts of the same for any other manufacture too. However, given the option of a perfectly fine Mac or perfectly fine PC, I'll choose the Mac every time.

yes except with apple you're paying a huge premium for "superior hardware" that "just works". Just look at the failure rate of the first guy I posted. when you pay a premium, you expect a product that "just works"
 
Oh so he must have moved 3 years ago then right? :rolleyes:

I can also find sites complaining about PC's, lol, doesn't mean jack:

http://www.ihatedell.net/forum/phpBB2/

So you're using PCs suck too argument huh? Are you admitting that Apple hardware is as defective as PC hardware? What about "you get what you pay for" you just said a couple of posts ago. Surely the people I've posted from the other forum didn't get what they paid for. With the case of dell, it's excusable because they're cheap in the first place.
 
So you're using PCs suck too argument huh? Are you admitting that Apple hardware is as defective as PC hardware? What about "you get what you pay for" you just said a couple of posts ago. Surely the people I've posted from the other forum didn't get what they paid for. With the case of dell, it's excusable because they're cheap in the first place.

OR you don't expect much so it's ok when you don't get much?

People expect more of apple so it seems worse when failures happen
 
I wonder what percentage of Apple customers feel that Apple has never wronged them? Seems like having that as a high number would be a good thing.......
 
So you're using PCs suck too argument huh? Are you admitting that Apple hardware is as defective as PC hardware? What about "you get what you pay for" you just said a couple of posts ago. Surely the people I've posted from the other forum didn't get what they paid for. With the case of dell, it's excusable because they're cheap in the first place.

I think that accepting the fact that all computer hardware, regardless of brand, has some defects, would be a good place to start.
 
So you're using PCs suck too argument huh? Are you admitting that Apple hardware is as defective as PC hardware? What about "you get what you pay for" you just said a couple of posts ago. Surely the people I've posted from the other forum didn't get what they paid for. With the case of dell, it's excusable because they're cheap in the first place.

Well according to this link Apple also beats the PC companies in reliability:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/156450/apple_laptops_extend_their_lead_in_reliability.html
 
What about the guy that pointed out its impossible to get perfection every time out of MASS production?? And no, just because the computer costs more does not mean the production is somehow not like any other mass production out there.
 
What about the guy that pointed out its impossible to get perfection every time out of MASS production?? And no, just because the computer costs more does not mean the production is somehow not like any other mass production out there.
When you are paying premium, you expect premium production. Apple USED to use good factories, but now, like PCs, Macs are made in Chinese sweat shops. Apple is becoming more and more like PC manufacturers but their price is not reflecting the change.

If Apple wants to put some premium on their computers, fine, but what they charge is ridiculous, and then they don't even have that many configurations.
 
Where does it say 75 percent failure rate, lol.

The white 12" iBook G3 series became much less reliable through its first five revisions, reaching a 73% failure percentage! The last revision dropped to a 49% failure percentage - much improved over the previous model, but still unconscionably high. The problems appear to have been solved, for the most part, in the newer iBook G4 series.
 
I have owned 7 Macs since I switched about 5 years ago (I started small with cheap, used machines and worked up). Out of 7 machines, I have had ONE failure - the logic board died in my old Power Mac G4. Since it was a five year old used machine, I think that's a pretty good track record.

DISCLAIMER: I have only owned ONE Mac laptop (this white Macbook). I bought it new and have had it for 7 months - so far, its trouble-free.
 
yes except with apple you're paying a huge premium for "superior hardware" that "just works". Just look at the failure rate of the first guy I posted. when you pay a premium, you expect a product that "just works"

Are you blind to the fallacy in your argument? Your premium pays for a computer that "just works" if the hardware isn't defective, which Apple can't guarantee 100% of the time just like any other manufacture. That's why they replace it. By the way, care to send me a link that shows that Mac's fail more than PC's. Because unless they do, your argument is even more wrong.
 
I wonder what percentage of Apple customers feel that Apple has never wronged them? Seems like having that as a high number would be a good thing.......

there is 100 other threads full of these arguments... but i will say it first on this one.

i agree with the mass production doesn't equal perfection law.

i have to ask myself why people see Apple as different.

is it because everything else they do is above standards? like nice packaging instead of a big brown box with a model #...

or that their designs are completely different than competitors.

idk to me Apple is just another company, but the difference is i like eveything they make
 
Do you just gloss over the posts of others to make your point?

What about the guy that pointed out its impossible to get perfection every time out of MASS production?? And no, just because the computer costs more does not mean the production is somehow not like any other mass production out there.

except the fanboys will still keep on claiming the reason apple charges a premium is because their hardware is superior and better built even though they're using the same mass production methods as pcs.
 
Anecdotes mean nothing. Apple notebooks have always had a history of failing. Heck I even heard one of the iBooks had a 75% failure rate.
Fixed.

The white 12" iBook G3 series became much less reliable through its first five revisions, reaching a 73% failure percentage! The last revision dropped to a 49% failure percentage - much improved over the previous model, but still unconscionably high. The problems appear to have been solved, for the most part, in the newer iBook G4 series.
Source(s) please…
 

Ha! I owned one of those. No logic board problems for me. I loved that machine.

Anyway, that's extremely unusual for Apple products (if true.) Any company is going to have a dud from time-to-time and you can cherry-pick whatever you want to support a highly subjective view. What the CR stats confirm, in as objective a way as possible, is that such failures are far less frequent for Apple products than for their PC counterparts.

Go argue with them and their methodologies, not us.
 
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