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Yes way!

If the device is a tablet there is limited design flexibility right off the bat. To compete the device has to be extremely thin. Not to mention that thinness and lightness is required for usability factors.

Now that doesn't mean that these renderings will be exactly what I'd expect. Rather I expect to see something very close to these but with front facing speakers designed for acceptable volume.

As to the casing well whatever it will be it will be an interesting design. The case will need to be stiff and that won't be easy to accomplish in a thin design. The rumors about the use of aluminum may very well indicate that the material was required to obtain a reasonable amount of rigidity. The only other alternative would be composites that likely would be more expensive.


Dave


This won't be it. I don't see them using a "blown up iphone" case anymore than the iphone used a "blown up ipod" case. It isn't like apple to use the case design for one product to be used in another entirely new product. Even with existing products. The iMac had several different case designs, the lamp, the all in one CRT with handle on top. I think you will see a new design for this new product. I just don't buy that it's going to use an enlarged iphone case.
I think Ives would never settle for that. It's too easy. That's my opinion. We will soon see.
 
I hope they don't go with the 1st-generation iPhone tax. Or bundle 3G service with the tablet.

Thou shalt wait and see. The first one will come with an oleophile (fat-loving) screen coating and a 32 GB HD. After 3-4 months they release a new edition with oleophobic coating and 128 GB HD. Oh — and it will be 40 % cheaper than the first model.

There seems to be even more excitement about the likely upcoming tablet than there was about the first iPhone prior to its release. And Apple will exploit this if they can. They are a corporation with obligations to their shareholders, and there's money in this for them. It would be a shame to waste all the prototypes with their (now) semi-obsolete components, now wouldn't it?

I choose to write this now already, lest I with my diatribe commit sacrilege before those who tent outside the Apple Store to secure their relic — even more precious than the Decalogue tablets. :cool:
 
Pad

Agreed.....

People, open your eyes because its not an iPhone, its not a Laptop, its not a Desktop, its a Digital Pad!

And again, agreed.

I think what Apple has figured out something with the iPhone. That is, if you create a piece of hardware with an easy to use, highly formatted SDK and unleash it on the world, the possibilities are nearly endless. The more uses there are for a device, the more you'll sell. The app store really did turn out to be a magic formula of sorts.

I think that just might be the downfall of netbooks right there. They run a standard OS, yet can't run much useful software and aren't that easy to develop custom apps for. Apple's game of a custom device with dedicated OS and streamlined development is very smart and will work in a variety of handheld formats. Apple doesn't have to ship *that many* apps on the thing because anyone who wants something useful in that format can design an app for it. Some things just aren't as good at 3.5"

This will be like the iPhone all over again. Just a little bigger.
 
Apps are real software!!!!!!!

I agree. I was so hoping for something that would run real software not apps. IF...if this is a giant iPhone/touch thing I'm sure it will sell like hot cakes...just not my bag baby.

This sort of nonsense is very tiring, apps on the iPhone OS are real apps and can be extremely capable. With the coming of iPhone 4.0 Apple can add the user interface elements that make use of larger screen devices and the enhanced capabilities of the new devices.

As to selling like hot cakes that is a question of pricing. In the case of a Giant Touch type device people are not going to accept the rumored $1000 price tag at all. Well at least not once we get past the early adopters, and those will unlimited budgets. I might modify this a bit if the unit has more capability than I imagine but that is a stretch right now.

What might those additional capabilities be? Well a quad core processor, with 4GB of RAM might start to justify the price. But if it comes out with a pokey processor and 512 MB of RAM it by definition will be grossly over priced. I really think this device will be far more sensitive to pricing than many suspect.


Dave
 
Well a quad core processor, with 4GB of RAM might start to justify the price. But if it comes out with a pokey processor and 512 MB of RAM it by definition will be grossly over priced. I really think this device will be far more sensitive to pricing than many suspect.

Price is determined by what people are willing to pay for it - that, in turn, will be determined by what it allows people to do and how it enriches their lives, and not on how much RAM or what type of processor it has.
 
And I'll offer you a civil response. No 10" touchscreen device will be useful to professionals? I suppose if you have no imaginiation.

Your concept of the tablet sounds like it's an iphone but with a bigger screen. Yah ok. Cool. If you didn't need a laptop in the first place, go for it. But I'm betting there's gonna be a more compelling reason than that to get it.

I agree with you.

People should realize that Apple has been working on this type of device for over 10 years. There are a lot of very smart software & hardware engineers, and designers working for Apple. In addition, SJ has had his hand directly on this project since at least 2005.

If Apple thinks it is ready to market, they will have an entire eco-system in place specifically for this device. There will be new software, new hardware, new or enhanced GUI and they will lay out a completely new way to go about your daily computing.

Kevin Rose who generally has some inside information on these types of announcements seems to think that there will be a dramatic twist at the end of the presentation that will make everyone go "Dang, that is so brilliant! I never saw that coming".

I'll bet after the keynote, people will be dying to get their hands on one of these devices regardless of the $999.00 price tag.
 
Price is determined by what people are willing to pay for it - that, in turn, will be determined by what it allows people to do and how it enriches their lives, and not on how much RAM or what type of processor it has.
I still wonder where people get the $599-1,000 price range for a product that has to face off against everything else on the market and what Apple already sells. It hasn't been this bad in years.
 
With the common knowledge out there that apple carefully crafts intentional leaks, I'm really not taking any more "leaked bezel" pics, product name ideas or artist rendering pics that seriously...

I'm thinking Apple designers were probably pushed a little harder by Tim and Steve, and whoever pitched "lets just do a big, flat iphone" was probably redirected.... but what a great idea to throw the rumor sites off ;)
 
How are you supposed to hold something like this?

It's too big to hold in one hand, and it's just flat to put on a table, which is a very unappealing way to use it.

Would you want to put your laptop screen flat on the table to use it? I sure wouldn't, but that thing is too big to hold comfortably in your hand and use another hand to do stuff on it.
 
iPhone 4.0

I'm far more interested in the iPhone 4.0 OS. I'd love it if it shipped on 1/27 but I doubt it. I'm keeping an open mind on the Tablet, but I'm worried about the cost especially if it requires another contract. I'd be happy with WiFi.
 
Yeah the great MMS whine, what a bunch of losers.

It is quite unfortunate. Everyone celebrated when we (finally) got MMS, which is essentially useless to me. Tethering is what I was hoping for, even at an increased cost, so that I could get rid of my Verizon 3G dongle. Someday...

I find MMS totally useless too. It is unfortunate that a bunch of whinny bastards pushed for something nobody uses anymore. Frankly I've seen very little in the way of MMS usage by iPhone users in general. I have to wonder if the MMS whiners are actually using the feature now. Generally the people you see using such features are from the more pathetic side of humanity anyways and not what you would describe as the future of America.

Dave
 
I'm starting to worry that I won't like this device AT ALL.
No cellular network means no internet in my hand at all times. Stupid.
No USB means no ability to work and print from it nor can you connect your camera (a real camera) and upload photos to your website/blog/facebook. No data back up if you have work file etc on it.
 
I don't think we need more doodads, dongles, converters or plugs than we have now.

We need 20 people per week to tell us how they have leveraged existing dongles and crap to do useful things. AND POST IT TO MACRUMORS.COM.

Apple refuses.

We need real people to do it.

Hasn't happened yet. Not holding my breath.

Rocketman
 
I don't think we need more doodads, dongles, converters or plugs than we have now.
The problem is that all those "accessories" are ending up as workarounds for said tablet. It seems like it's not everything out of the box and you get to drag along this tumbleweed.

Bluetooth keyboards being the biggest stopgap I've seen.

1-USB port
1- Mini Displayport
1- Audio port
1- MagSafe adapter


Just an opinion mind you.
If you're going that far you might as well make it x86 and full blown OS X.
 
I'm starting to worry that I won't like this device AT ALL.
No cellular network means no internet in my hand at all times. Stupid.
No USB means no ability to work and print from it nor can you connect your camera (a real camera) and upload photos to your website/blog/facebook. No data back up if you have work file etc on it.

1-USB port
1- Mini Displayport
1- Audio port
1- MagSafe adapter


Just an opinion mind you.
 
I'm starting to worry that I won't like this device AT ALL.
No cellular network means no internet in my hand at all times. Stupid.
No USB means no ability to work and print from it nor can you connect your camera (a real camera) and upload photos to your website/blog/facebook. No data back up if you have work file etc on it.

* Tether using your cell phone ( if you have one capable plus a data plan )
* back up using WIFI via iTunes ( assuming Apple build the ability into iTunes )
 
I'm starting to worry that I won't like this device AT ALL.
No cellular network means no internet in my hand at all times. Stupid.
No USB means no ability to work and print from it nor can you connect your camera (a real camera) and upload photos to your website/blog/facebook. No data back up if you have work file etc on it.

It has a dock connector. Therefore it is USB 2.0 native. The connector has spare pins. Given the LP future of Apple I suspect it will employ Ethernet protocol with large packets.

Gigabit Ethernet today and 100 GB EN some day later. The bus cannot sustain that capacity on a hand held device.

If Apple makes some utility to let USB devices save/access stored data that would be pleasant. Fingers crossed.

Rocketman
 
I'm starting to worry that I won't like this device AT ALL.
No cellular network means no internet in my hand at all times. Stupid.
No USB means no ability to work and print from it nor can you connect your camera (a real camera) and upload photos to your website/blog/facebook. No data back up if you have work file etc on it.

We can speculate as much as we want, but we won't know what this device is capable of until Wednesday.

Apple brought something new to the table with the iPhone, I trust them to do the same again. They have had years to work on this "thing", whatever this "thing" may be. We don't know what it is going to do, what it's going to look like, or even what colour it is.

Apple have a very specific product line, from the phone, to the desktop computer, to the professional laptop, they will have a clear concept of what its going to be. It's going to be for a certain market, it would be too messy for a tablet to do what the iPhone does, only bigger. It isn't apple's style.
 
The Amazon Kindle allows users to browse the internet and download free content, therefore their cost per megabyte pays for much more than just the paid content downloads. They are charging 10 times more per MB because the average user downloads and browses areas without content.

From what I have heard, the Apple tablet "Free 3G" will only be through an application that connects directly to an Apple Store. It will not allow access to the internet in general. If you want to connect to the internet you will need Wifi or tethered 3G. That is why 1 to 2 cents per MB is doable.

Very few people on the planet know exactly what Apple is going to announce. We will have to wait and see. I have just heard through the grapevine that Apple was going to offer free connectivity to some sort of Apple store. This store will provide, Applications, Music, TV, Movies, Ebooks, and some sort of cloud computing option (Mobile Me or iWork online).

Congratulations on your grapevine. I'm quote facts, not "I think" or "I heard". Fact is that Amazon pays 15 cents per MB to enable "free downloads" anywhere Kindle can download. Here's the link that I'm perceiving you did not go read: https://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/2...royalty-program-ahead-of-apple-tablet-launch/ It seems reasonable to assume that Amazon would strike as good a deal as they can get for this 3G since they would be paying for it out of each sale, working at least as hard as Apple would work to strike the same kind of deal.

The owners of the 3G "pipes" have NO incentive to give away access to their very lucrative service just to help Apple sell a lot of Tablets. Apple has NO way to force them into giving them 1-2 cents per MB as you have suggested. It's not Apple's 3G bandwidth to price.

Fact is that Kindle media is extraordinarily compact media, median size at about 1/3 of 1Mb. With a Kindle it works to build the price into the media because it is a relatively cheap internally-eaten (by Amazon) cost. With iTunes media, we're talking about a lot of content that is tens and hundreds of times larger than the typical Kindle media. So even if Apple can strike a better deal than Amazon with the owners of the 3G to include "free" Kindle-like 3G for Tablet media, the size of the media other than text-heavy media like you get on the Kindle won't make it work at iTunes (current) media prices.

Just do the math. Let's get crazy and believe that Apple can negotiate a deal substantially better than Kindle's 15 cents per MB. Let's imagine 10 cents per MB. Download a 2GB movie- just one- and how much does Apple make after paying for the 3G. Let the movie cost $14.99. 2000 megabytes times 10 cents a megabyte = $200.

Now that's crazy. Clearly a 3G contract arrangement is going to cost a lot less than $200 to download a single movie. And it does. Why? If you are Verizon or AT&T, you want the 24 month contract, so you make your best deals available for those long subscription contracts. You don't make your best deal on a per MB download on demand. You price that sky high (thus 15 cents per MB for Amazon Kindle) so that it is almost always a much better deal for the consumer to do a direct deal with you- a long-term contractual subscription deal- than any kind of "use it when you need it" at a better price.

I want to believe your view of how this will go. But Apple has little say in what the 3G cost will be. That belongs to the companies that own the 3G networks.

Furthermore, Kindle's internet access is extraordinarily limited, so while some access to things other than buying & downloading a book is possible (and eaten by Amazon pricing that into the cost of the media), it is very much Apples vs. Oranges to try to allude that the expectations of how Safari browsing will be used would even remotely equate to how Kindle's browser is used.

Another way to use the math. Let's say you are right and that Apple eats the 3G cost within the cost of media sold "as is" via iTunes. Now let's let this get us "free" 3G Safari browsing (since Kindle's browser can browse for content other than book media to buy). Let's say the Tablet comes out at $2000 (I've seen NO rumors with the price that high, but let's go there to be as wild as possible). At 10 cents per MB for the included 3G, how many GBs of general Safari browsing via 3G could a Tablet owner do before Apple will have had to reimburse the 3G provider for all $2000 of the revenue collected from the Tablet sale? How about 7.5 cents per MB (a deal struck TWICE as good as Amazon was able to get)? How about 5 cents?

Just do the math. It's easy to see how this particular issue will play out.

That said, I would love to see a magical new solution that would give Tablet buyers free 3G, or even substantially discounted 3G so that this super mobile device could have anytime, anywhere access to anything (media or general Safari, VOIP calls, etc) without a monthly contract obligation. THAT would definitely sell a whole lot of Tablets. But Apple doesn't own the 3G e-pipes. It's not Apple's decision to give us that. If they could, iPhone owners would already have ridiculously low 3G plans, as Apple is in the hardware selling business, and much more affordable plans would sell much more hardware.

Granted, I think Apple will compete with Kindle on Kindle-like media, meaning Apple eats the 3G cost of mostly plain text media (just like Kindles). But that won't work with richer (bigger file) media at current iTunes media prices. I can't imagine Apple jacking up iTunes media prices to try to give us "free 3G" like Kindle for ALL types of iTunes media. So, if I'm right, you are either finding a free wifi/wimax hotspot to download all the bigger files (music, video, etc) or you are paying for a monthly contract to do that via 3G (anytime, anywhere) data access. If you already have an iPhone plan, there might be some kind of sharing arrangement offered by AT&T (but probably at a higher monthly fee AND/OR a use one (device) or the other, but not both at the same time).
 
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