Apple Tablet to Run iPhone OS and Launch in May or June 2010?

Really seems like a shortcut by Apple, rather then fit or adapt OS X to a touch era we are stuck with a phone OS on a 10 inch device.
Um, iPhone OS (Cocoa Touch) is OS X adapted for a "touch era". It is OS X, just with a modified UI. A tablet form would need a few additions and modifications, but iPhone's OS X is closer to what the tablet needs than desktop OS X is.
 
iPhone OS will grow bigger (towards full OS/X) over time. Right now it is less functional, but for low-power, specific-function devices, it is clearly the OS of choice for Apple.

However, it is a subset of OS/X (functionally, anyway) so it has a clear growth path. Once the mobile processors become powerful enough (which is happening more rapidly than I ever expected) iPhone OS and OS/X will simply merge.

That's some years off, perhaps, but it will eventually happen. When it does, the entire Apple ecosystem will be running OS/X proper. Compare that with the mess that is Window Mobile, and you'll see Apple has the proper idea. If a low-power, specific function tablet isn't interesting to you, then by all means, give it a skip and go to a MacBook, that's what I plan on doing. Or just wait a few years, when mobile processors catch up, when it'll be running full blown OS/X.
 
The inability to see the true potential of the iPhone OS is shocking.

Some incredibly narrow thinking going on in this thread.
 
We've always known it was going to be a large Touch. Why is everyone surprised/pissed/disappointed in this RUMOR?!? The app store has been a huge success and by expanding the developers' options to a 10" screen, it's going to open a world of possibilities. They know what they're doing.
 
I'm not saying much that hasn't been said but I can't imagine why Apple would want to limit this to something as meh as the iPhone OS.

People primarily use applications. Not operating systems.

Really seems like a shortcut by Apple, rather then fit or adapt OS X to a touch era we are stuck with a phone OS on a 10 inch device.

What is to adapt on Mac OS X .....

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they already exist in different formats. The packaging would be different if were trying to come up with a smaller/less expensive Macbook.

If somehow want a mix-mode, finger/pen as alternative mouse pointer, environment can do that now. That's what more "tablets" have tried for the last 5-6 years. It hasn't worked so well.


Even with OS X it's not a really appealing product to me. Another Macbook Air in the midst.

that's partially because folks keep starting with a "I want a cheaper/lighter/smaller macbook" hidden premise and then do a number of inferences and then ta-da it ends up being "yet another Macbook [Air/Pro/etc.] ".
 
Interesting video.

I am a paid iPhone developer. All the things in that video are well within the capabilities of the iPhone, albeit on a smaller screen. Further, they could be in color, with 3D shadings using OpenGL. The CoverFlow interface to the iPod app has much more complex interactive graphic animations with reflection and transformations.

A stylus is also possible on the iPhone. You can make a simple one with a thumb tack, aluminum foil and a pencil. Precision is [currently] limited by the touch drivers-- anything touch under 30-pixel diameter (1/8") is rejected as noise. Apple could implement a stylus mode and allow precision to a magnified pixel level. An intelligent stylus could send pressure information via BlueTooth to support painting, calligraphy, etc.

So, the above is certainly doable on a Tablet with larger screen, faster CPU/GPU, mor RAM, and iPhone OS X enhanced.

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Cool.
 
and your constand admonishing them for not agreeing with your extreme views is also quite appalling, but you don't see everyone posting that, just me ;). To me, this is a niche market at best and would rather see other hardware solutions than a tablet, but i say that knowing this has a market somewhere, just not me. I just think people don't want a scaled down OS on a tablet device for all intensive purposes will cost $1000 or more.

The inability to see the true potential of the iPhone OS is shocking.

Some incredibly narrow thinking going on in this thread.
 
I'd be happy with a iphone os (or a version of) on the tablet.

My idea of it is not a desktop replacement but a convenient device to read/view/listen/send emails/surf/casual game. For serious work, programming and gaming go use your desktop or macbook pro.
 
Please... iPhone OS on a tablet is nothing but a joke. We do want a Newton successor, but not in that sense.
 
and your constand admonishing them for not agreeing with your extreme views is also quite appalling, but you don't see everyone posting that, just me ;). To me, this is a niche market at best and would rather see other hardware solutions than a tablet, but i say that knowing this has a market somewhere, just not me. I just think people don't want a scaled down OS on a tablet device for all intensive purposes will cost $1000 or more.

Why are you assuming it is a "tablet device"?

you see, you, among 99.9% of posters on this thread are looking at the current market and assuming Apple will just release something similar. A tablet.

They won't.

This thread reminds of the infamous 2001 macrumors iPod thread.
 
Why are you assuming it is a "tablet device"?

you see, you, among 99.9% of posters on this thread are looking at the current market and assuming Apple will just release something similar. A tablet.

They won't.

This thread reminds of the infamous 2001 macrumors iPod thread.

It seems underestimating Apple EVERY TIME is the fashionable thing to do. No need to go to Rdmond to see Steve Ballmer. There's a bunch of him sitting right here on MR.
 
The inability to see the true potential of the iPhone OS is shocking.

Some incredibly narrow thinking going on in this thread.

That's because people imagine the current iPhone OS and don't see the probable progression.

***to the person who quoted me earlier: no, I never said I couldn't fathom an iPhone OS scaled to 10". I meant it doesn't make sense to simply do that and nothing else. Hence why I stated an enhanced iPhone OS v4 or X. You can scale iPhone OS 3 to a 60" monitor , that doesn't mean it's a good choice.

If apple is going to bank on a tablet , it's going to be an enhanced iPhone OS with enhanced iPhone components. Why? Because the iPhone and it's OS is geared toward mobile users. To top that off it's pretty clear both the developer and consumer market is thriving there. That = tablet success.

If it can run enhanced iTablet apps suited for the new OS and screen size + be backward compatible with ALL the apps in the app store? then everyone wins.


I'm not trying to bash a lot of people here that are crying about the iPhone OS on the tablet but in my mind all of you are sounding like the CEO of Palm a few months before the 1st iPhone was announced. He was asked what he though about the possibility of Apple entering the smart phone market. His response was something to the effect of ," We have been in the portable device business for a decade and I think it's laughable that a company can just come into the market and make something better than we can."

lack of imagination. It seems to be a rampant aura around here.
 
iPhone OS = OS X optimized for ARM minus Finder + touch screen UI.

You forgot + App store application lockdown. Seriously, all you who argue that an iPhone is not a computer will have to choose your words carefully when using the same justification for Apple's tight fisted policies on this tablet thing. In my opinion, these are all computers, and we should demand more than these watered down, locked down OSs.
 
Do you all think it'd be taking this long if it were simply a 9" iPod Touch? I kinda find that unlikely, despite rumors such as this one. Likewise if it were just a tablet running plain OS X with an onscreen keyboard, we would have seen it by now.

I think it's more likely to be something entirely different, somewhere in the middle.

I still just want a bigger iPT with Flash, BT, MDP out, and multiple apps though, personally.
 
It's obvious that you've never done a FCC certification for a product. A manufacturer doesn't send the FCC anything but the test data on a product. The FCC doesn't do a thing except review the certification application and issue a number. Their revue is mostly to see that you've included all the necessary test data and included a check.

You just include any data and a check and that's it. What is represented in the data doesn't matter?

Apple tends not to design products from the inside out. If someone radicaly changes the location and or the material that the module is embedded inside of that has non-substative impact on the values?

I can see no change if hold the module constant, but then you are designing the device around the FCC certification. Does that sound like Apple's typical approach?

However, your missing the point. Whether you send the device in or rules the regulated tests internally and send the data in (to be certified/checked) you have still announced publically that you are going to deliver X.
At that point it can't be a "...oh one more thing". It is no longer rumor on existance it is only a rumor on when. "When" isn't a "one more thing" worthy of an issue. So might as well just announce since it can no longer be a "ta da" event. it is the open, public filing aspect that is critical.

Apple is not open and is not public.


During the life of the iPhone it may go through many revisions and still have the same FCC certification number. A manufacturer has a lot more latitude then you imagine.

but the iPhone is out. Everyone and their mother knows there will be another iPhone next summer and more iPods next September.
Once it is out, were the wall of secrecy?

Frankly find it doubtful can use an iPhone/iTouch certification on this new product by just ripping exactly the same submodule out but putting into a complete different container with different constraints.



.... I don't know what that may be in Apple's case, but they have made some steps in gathering the the basic memory, and modules they need already.

why gather parts in quantity to a device you haven't finished designing yet?? All that does is put the parts on your inventory. That is money out the door which isn't coming back. What if buy 10" screens and later decide that a clamshell with two 7" screens is better. What going to do with those stack of 10" parts?

There is a stacking when you are trying to do a build up before launch if expect a demand crush on launch day. But thoses parts are going into finished products that are being stockpiled as product.... not a huge warehouse of parts. Stacks of parts is the opposite of just in time manufacturing.

[ If go back to when Apple was having gobs of finance problems there were stacks of products on the inventory. That is something they avoid like the plague now. ]




However, if their end-user feedback indicates that the product has something fundamentally wrong that isn't easily correctable, then they may not pull the trigger to turn on manufacturing.

If don't have that feedback yet why even run tests and submit to the FCC?
if it just a hack in development just run around without certs. If turns out that doesn't verify that check you just sent the FCC is money down the drain.




There's where you and I differ. I would expect that the different prototypes are indeed helping Apple determine that they are on target with their earlier marketing ideas.

Here is where you and I differ. I think Apple did that already for last n years where Jobs have nuked version after version of this up till this point.
These rumors are usually about " I just/recently saw" and blah blah blah. If folks were saying "A year ago I saw..." then sure. At this point, where dotting the i's and crossing the t's.... It is mainly cooked at this point.
They may have folks trying to work bugs out of what they already decided to do.




I can't even comment on this. You aren't making sense in ignoring the synergism a well-thought-out ecosystem can leverage a new product's value.

You were trying to assert there is some ecosystem where the OS and app store are primary components of that ecosystem. The app store is OS agnostic. You can buy apps on Windows, Mac OS X , or iPhone OS. That 'ecosystem' you speak of makes the OS where you purchased them a non issue. That is the seemless/system aspect they have provided. So in the ecosystem of buying the apps, the OS isn't really a major factor.


If talking about the ecosystem of where you run apps... then the app store is immaterial. How you get apps to the machine is not a major factor in their usability. Has impact on feeding impulse buying habits, but it doesn't make them easier to use ( or find particularly to find when there are herds of duplicates clogging the store. )

Windows is not doomed or significantly impeded because there is no singular apps store for that OS. Having enough apps is more important than having them all in a single store. There is tons of hype about Apple's single store because it is relatively unique; not because it, in and of itself, is critical.

The store was indeed important in facilitating the gold rush of apps into the ecosystem. However, once there is an ecosystem there is little to support that it is really a critical factor. People do not spend large blocks of time in the store... unless they are now shopaholics. I can see how being shopaholics benefits apple, it is the user benefits that are cloudy.
 
I would prefer a full OS on the tablet and not just a bigger iPhone. But I would like to have the 3G feature to use with a bluetooth headset so I can get my calls on the device.

Obviously multitouch, but not limited like the iPhone, I should be able to write my own apps and run open source apps also with no limitation to only downloiad from App Store. Someone mention using Photoshop.... I do not see why would this not de desirable. I can see photographers downloading the memory card to this device or even shoot while connected to the device for a larger screen and larger storage options.

If it is an overgrown iPhone, it maybe interesting, but not to the same level for me.


Get a VNC program, put it on your iPhone and try to navigate your desktop through the iPhone. Of course you have to ignore the lag, recognize that a tablet would have a bigger screen and OSX could be optimized for touch a little more, but even after considering those factors, do you really want a touch screen OSX?

If you want to run OSX on the tablet, get a VNC program and connect to your mac. There will probably be some really good ones for the tablet. I just wouldn't want OSX as my primary operating system, the usability factor is too low. I suspect many people that hail a OSX based tablet as the greatest thing ever would change their minds once they used one.

As for what I want. I want tethering through my iPhone, I don't want two mobile data plans, if I were to get this device.
 
Had a chance to play with a Kindle for the first time this week. It's a really nice little device. Single purpose, well built, decent feature set... LOVE the epaper screen. It's also just the right size for what it is. Problem is that the screen sucks for anything but books and, moreover, it's $300 for a problem that was solved 1000 years ago by $.10 worth of paper.

But, an iPod that's the same size, does the same things (book reader) and everything my touch does would be a wonderful thing. The trade-off of LCD for epaper means more battery consumption and not as "book" like experience BUT you get full color.

The catch, for me, would be that they'd have to get close to the Kindle price. $300-400 would be the high end, imo. More and it would have to replace my netbook. They should be able to hit that price if they stay to a 6-7" screen and offer a 16gb model on the low end. Very curious to see what comes out of all this.
 
***to the person who quoted me earlier: no, I never said I couldn't fathom an iPhone OS scaled to 10". I meant it doesn't make sense to simply do that and nothing else. Hence why I stated an enhanced iPhone OS v4 or X. You can scale iPhone OS 3 to a 60" monitor , that doesn't mean it's a good choice.

If it can run enhanced iTablet apps suited for the new OS and screen size + be backward compatible with ALL the apps in the app store? then everyone wins.
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It isn't the OS that needs adapting as much as adjustments to the apps. The "Finder" (on OS X ) and the "Home Screen" (on iPhoneOS) is an app; not an OS.

Dropping another "Home Screen" app on a 10" tablet (along with minor tweaked versions of Safari and the core default applications) is hardly worthy of another OS major version number. You haven't really substantively changed the OS itself... just some of the apps it ships with.

That's akin to giving Mac OS X Server and Mac OS X different version numbers.

If there are ugly hacks in CocoaTouch that were hard coded to specific screen sizes and need a substantively new library then perhaps. It is kind of hard to imagine that CocoaTouch has that critical lack of abstraction hardcoded into its basic interfaces though.

Gobs of assumptions inside the apps? that would not be surprising but small adjustement can just run these similar to how the iPhoneOS similator runs but without having to really simulate. Just a smaller boxed window and run the same, ARM binary, app.
 
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