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Apple Takes on Droid X With Latest Smartphone Antenna Video

vaguely said:
Well, first we would need some evidence they exist.

Then we would need to understand how they became so retarded as to not return a product with which they are having issues, or at least seek assistance.
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I guess you don't need a free bumper then. That's good news.

The problem is that Apple already reserved $175 million for free bumpers/cases, just to keep its users happy. People who might have otherwise returned their iPhone 4. I guess these people are all retarded in your book, but for me these are potential unhappy customers.

Now wait for another problem to appear, and the first thing people do is say: "I already had to use a bumper, and now this or that...". That's how the human brain works.
 
andiwm2003 said:
NVidea GPU's in MBP's. They are all about to fail however most people do not return the MBP's unless the GPU completely fails. They know they are covered by apple care.

Dead Pixels. Most people keep their monitors with several dead pixels as long as they don't see them all the time.

There are quite a number of defects in gadgets (yellow tint in screens) that are to so little consequence to most that the hassle of returning is it not worth to them.
The iPhone 4 is just another example.
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What strikes me about your examples is their lack of relevance to the iPhone 4. In one case, you are talking about a part that will supposedly fail in the future. The iPhone 4's antenna certainly doesn't fall into that category -- it's properties do not change over time.

In the other cases you are describing parts that do not function as intended. Again, not at all the case with the iPhone 4. The design is a trade-off, providing better reception for most people in most areas and worse reception for a minority. But it's an intentional trade-off.
 
Master Chief said:
I guess you don't need a free bumper then. That's good news.

The problem is that Apple already reserved $175 million for free bumpers/cases, just to keep its users happy. People who might have otherwise returned their iPhone 4. I guess these people are all retarded in your book, but for me these are potential unhappy customers.
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WOW!!!!!! Nice moving of the goalposts there! Quality work. And example where you DON'T NEED EVIDENCE. Let's just assume they were waiting for His Jobsness to speak. Brilliant work.
 
PerfSeeker said:
Because most people are lazy and don't want to deal with issues until it's too late. Many :apple: customers fall into that box. Power users don't.
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No, I don't think so. There is a certain response curve to product defects. The curve goes way up when publicity about the defect is widespread. If the iPhone users have this issue, it's clearly annoying enough to contact Apple. Use your index finger and call the 800 number; borrow a Droid phone if you have to. "Not that difficult.™" After about the third dropped call on a new phone, you're going to want to call the company or go back to the store.
 
-aggie- said:
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Power user.
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OMG, it's true. A picture really is worth a thousand words.
 
NSMonkey said:
What strikes me about your examples is their lack of relevance to the iPhone 4. In one case, you are talking about a part that will supposedly fail in the future. The iPhone 4's antenna certainly doesn't fall into that category -- it's properties do not change over time.

In the other cases you are describing parts that do not function as intended. Again, not at all the case with the iPhone 4. The design is a trade-off, providing better reception for most people in most areas and worse reception for a minority. But it's an intentional trade-off.
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For some, this trade-off is superficially categorized as a 'defect.'

I'll gladly take better all-around reception, increased sensitivity and all.

My current location - Island Beach State Park (NJ Shore)

My GF's 3GS - no signal 'SEARCHING'

iPhone 4 - 3 bars.

If I were to drop a call out here, I'd not complain - at least I have the reception to actually make a call out here.
 
pflau said:
Android is the next OS/2.

Bank on it.
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...and your evidence, aside from the "bank on it" quip?

Consumers like choice, and the iPhone takes this away to a large extent.

Personally, I think that as long as an app does not violate the law, contains data that was collected by a violation of the law in the country its sold in or is somehow malicious (e.g records passwords, damages the network), then it should be hands off. I think many users believe the same thing.

Sadly, Apple does not. The Andriod OS fits when consumers want more, and will therefore trounce the market-share of iOS in the next 3 to 5 years.
 
Master Chief said:
It is also the main reason for Apple to give away a free bumper. Oh well. I guess you missed it. Whatever.
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How is that relevant? You can cause the attenuation whether or not you use a bumper.

Clearly also you missed the point. People don't hold phones with one finger. Attenuating signal on the iPhone 4 with a single finger isn't a real world situation. Holding the phone in your hand with all fingers around it is.
 
Full of Win said:
...and your evidence, aside from the "bank on it" quip?

Consumers like choice, and the iPhone takes this away to a large extent.

Personally, I think that as long as an app does not violate the law, contains data that was collected by a violation of the law in the country its sold in or is somehow malicious (e.g records passwords, damages the network), then it should be hands off. I think many users believe the same thing.

Sadly, Apple does not. The Andriod OS fits when consumers want more, and will therefore trounce the market-share of iOS in the next 3 to 5 years.
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Yeah if the iPhone platform is so superior, then why is an innovative technology like Swipe on Android and never gonna be on iOS? :rolleyes:
 
NSMonkey said:
Why would someone refuse to return a defective product? I mean, the accusation is that it's a design "defect", right? So can you give us an example of another defective consumer product that people refuse to return, even when there are plenty of other options available?
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Where did this "defective" come from? I said: "having issues with". That's not the same, but let me try to address it anyway.

People in this forum have reported to experience signal loss and dropped calls. Not to mention the proximity bug and the Exchange bug. No return required. The Exchange bug is already fixed in iOS 4.0.1 and Steve said that Apple was working on a fix for the proximity bug. Which should be part of the next software update.

In short; Some of us have/had issues with the iPhone 4, which may or may not have been fixed already, even without us returning the iPhone 4 en mass. We just wait and see.
 
LOLaMac said:
The fact you think the CEO of Apple deserves to have a statue to memorialize him is disturbing, and makes me think some Apple users need to take a step back and get out of the whole 'worship' mentality.

Also, I can't believe Apple has sunk to posting videos on YouTube (lol) to try and defend itself. What's next? Steve Jobs becoming another one of the thousands of YouTube bloggers, going on about crap no one cares about?
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The great producers and achievers in their lifetime are praised my most, despised violently by those with failures in their past and mentioned as historic milestones by historians.

Watt, Edison, Eastman, Ford, Packard and Jobs. It all will come to this.
 
They have not target Sony Ericsson. The X10 mini is a astonishing little phone. I hope that apple do something like it. A iphone mini would be great. For me iphone is to big. Great, a little to great maybe. I need a phone for that hides well in my shirt. A iphone mini would be a great companion to ipad!
 
Stratus Fear said:
How is that relevant? You can cause the attenuation whether or not you use a bumper.

Clearly also you missed the point. People don't hold phones with one finger. Attenuating signal on the iPhone 4 with a single finger isn't a real world situation. Holding the phone in your hand with all fingers around it is.
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No I didn't. There's signal attenuating and antenna gap bridging [effectively changing the antenna's wave length]. Not the same things.
 
The people behind this anti Apple propaganda are android trolls/htc/motorola/blackberry/google apologists.

Nice to see their stupidity backfire. :cool:
 
Master Chief said:
No I didn't. There's signal attenuating and antenna gap bridging [effectively changing the antenna's wave length]. Not the same things.
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I never said they were the same. But they have the same end result, and that's all that matters. The technical reason for dropping signal is only relevant to engineers. So yes, you missed the point, because both of these technical issues can cause signal loss simply by holding the phone, just as you do with any phone (unless you're using a handsfree device).

Really, those who like to argue about the two different technical reasons for signal loss on the iPhone when they are effectively the same in real world usage are the kind of people who also tend to argue semantics to a fault. This is not productive, and it's also why most people don't care and are still buying the phone, because it doesn't matter like those with nerd rage seem to think it does.
 
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you guys are just too much.

signed,
Anonymous

ps: we are everywhere and yet we have no antennae issues.
 
Max(IT) said:
There is NO REASON in putting the finger on the antenna, when you know where it is.
Your video is pointless.
That is an antenna, if you touch it, you attenuate/detune the signal. Simple like that.

Its not only fingers, it left handed people like my self....

and now being an ugly brick is a feature ? :rolleyes:
The video shows an human being , not an alien. And he is comfortably holding the Droid X with a single hand.

I can tell you thats in no way a comfortable way to hold the phone. Also that person apple got for the video has huge hands.

This is FALSE and you know it.
They are showing signal drop, and you know perfectly that when bars go from 4 to ZERO your Droid X will drop calls and connection.

Nope, If you look they are on a call, if the call got dropped it would say and it would go back to the dialer, they were on call the whole time. Its actually a software bug, they still have 3 bars, check this video out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_q4eVoyNDE
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Apple is LYING, I did the same test on my Blackberry

Wow, I've been an apple fanatic since 2001 and everything I own is Apple except my Blackberry b/c I refuse to get ATT service. I just saw this article and watched the video of the Blackberry 9700 Bold 2 (my phone) and was amazed how they showed the signal going from full bars to one bar. I did the EXACT same thing with my Blackberry 9700 with T-Mobile and didn't loose a single bar. Then I cupped it at the antenna with both hands and I lost only one bar.

Apple is severely exaggerating other people's signal drops and it really makes me mad they are lying and stooping down to that level.

I think i'm good with my blackberry now...no iPhone for me in the foreseeable future.
 
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