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All i know is that IN MY OFFICE I get 2 bars on my 3GS, my friends 4 gets 3 bars, and my other friends X gets 2 bars, I can make the 4 drop to 0 with 1 finger, i have to cover the X to get to to 0 but normally it only drops to 1, same with my 3GS

The problem is not loosing bars, it's that the 4 can drop signal with just 1 finger

Move your finger or put a case on it when your inside your office!
When I’m inside my house I can stick my finger on the “sweet spot” to degrade signal but never drop a call or data. Just move your dam finger, if it zapped you would you keep touching it?
 
He didn't quote a number. How can nothing come from somewhere ?

And his lack of a number doesn't mean yours was any better or even close to right.

Thanks for remaking my point. It was nothing, as in "does not exist, just a wild-ass guess that runs contrary to consumer responses in similar incidents". My number is indeed better at this point because it's a number based on the only collected evidence to date. If you have other evidence, please present it.
[crickets...crickets...crickets]. Until then, the defect rate is 0.55%. That's not "spin", that's data. When you have more data get back to us.

I've never said that I think the antenna design is brilliant, but obviously trade-offs had to be made. Were they the right ones? Don't know. I come from a medical device background, and we tend to look at ALL those types of things in the design process. The difference here is that, despite the tenor of these posts, no innocent lives have been threatened and no baby seals have been bludgeoned. You can move on in your life secure in the knowledge that the defect will not change your life or alter your destiny.

BTW, I'm fairly conversant with the English language, and I watched the entire press conference, and there was no subterfuge or misrepresentation in Jobs presentation. It was a press conference, not a research paper. It was not intended to be an engineering round table, or confession, flagellation and prostration before the mighty webitude. Maybe you listened but didn't hear:

(to wit): A tiny percentage have a problem according to the evidence, which other phones have as well, by the way, to greater or lesser degrees. If you have the problem, or even if you don't, call us on our dime and we'll replace it or give you all your money back. Or we have this free fix that will probably do the job right now while we look further into it. ATT is still our provider.

Yeah, I can see where you would would be compelled to spend post after post expressing your outrage. Oh the humanity! (obscure reference to a radio broadcast coverage of the airship Hindenburg as it blew up and passengers fell from the sky. You could look it up).
 
As if it, because the competition suffers from the same problem, makes the problem any more acceptable. :rolleyes:

Love how the iPhone 4 videos are so much shorter, also love how quick they are to stop the death grip as soon as the bar changes to 1. They don't want to show you that it COMPLETELY loses its connection.
 
All i know is that IN MY OFFICE I get 2 bars on my 3GS, my friends 4 gets 3 bars, and my other friends X gets 2 bars, I can make the 4 drop to 0 with 1 finger, i have to cover the X to get to to 0 but normally it only drops to 1, same with my 3GS

The problem is not loosing bars, it's that the 4 can drop signal with just 1 finger

It's pretty hard to hold your phone with one finger.

Seriously, the one finger deal is simply for dramatic effect at this point. The fact is that the phone attenuates signal when you hold it, *regardless of the technical reason for the attenuation*, and other phones also attenuate signal when being held (the 4 simply attenuates a little more). Unless you've superglued your iPhone 4 to your index finger, the "I can attenuate the signal with one finger" argument is moot. I keep seeing people harping on this point but nobody seems to understand why it's irrelevant to the user.
 
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Where are the long lines returning the iPhone 4? Anyone?
Lacking middle ground. What about people having issues with something, but who refuse to return their iPhone 4? They should all shut up and accept it, or return it? Not going to happen.
 
I can’t tell you how many threads I was told to “move along” when I tried to express an opinion in one of the anti-iPhone 4 threads. Most of the people that know me, know I’m not some rabid Apple fanboy without a brain. I actually got a comment like this, “We’re trying to fix this issue, and if you’re not here to help, move along,” or something to that effect. Oh, and the “The more noise we make, the better chance of getting Apple to do something”…..priceless.

Some of the posters on here seem to be expressing that they won’t buy the iPhone 4 because of Steve Jobs attitude. Seriously? Who gives a frak what his attitude is. I buy stuff, because of what the stuff is and how it works. When Steve said, “We love our customers,” I thought, okay the fanboys creamed their pants, but get back to the subject, okay?

Where are the long lines returning the iPhone 4? Anyone?
Good points, but haven't you figured out that saying "I'm not a fanboy, but" automatically labels you as a fanboy -- at least in the petty, angry little minds of people whose severe inferiority complex compels them to call other people "fanboys"?
 
Lacking middle ground. What about people having issues with something, but who refuse to return their iPhone 4? They should all shut up and accept it, or return it? Not going to happen.

Well, first we would need some evidence they exist.

Then we would need to understand how they became so retarded as to not return a product with which they are having issues, or at least seek assistance.
 
Well, first we would need some evidence they exist.

Then we would need to understand how they became so retarded as to not return a product with which they are having issues, or at least seek assistance.

Because most people are lazy and don't want to deal with issues until it's too late. Many :apple: customers fall into that box. Power users don't.
 
Lacking middle ground. What about people having issues with something, but who refuse to return their iPhone 4? They should all shut up and accept it, or return it? Not going to happen.
Why would someone refuse to return a defective product? I mean, the accusation is that it's a design "defect", right? So can you give us an example of another defective consumer product that people refuse to return, even when there are plenty of other options available?
 
Lacking middle ground. What about people having issues with something, but who refuse to return their iPhone 4? They should all shut up and accept it, or return it? Not going to happen.

You lost me on what point you were making.

Good points, but haven't you figured out that saying "I'm not a fanboy, but" automatically labels you as a fanboy -- at least in the petty, angry little minds of people whose severe inferiority complex compels them to call other people "fanboys"?

That’s why I wrote “people that know me.” :)
 
Why would someone refuse to return a defective product? I mean, the accusation is that it's a design "defect", right? So can you give us an example of another defective consumer product that people refuse to return, even when there are plenty of other options available?

Because :apple: has a special halo around them that other companies don't. So people will continue using the defective IP4 out of a misplaced loyalty or something.
 
Because :apple: has a special halo around them that other companies don't. So people will continue using the defective IP4 out of a misplaced loyalty or something.

You’re writing silly stuff now.

Where are the long lines returning the iPhone 4? Weren’t you one of the posters telling me no one had returned their phone yet, since the 30 days weren’t up and therefore the return rates Apple posted were bogus?
 
It's pretty hard to hold your phone with one finger.

Seriously, the one finger deal is simply for dramatic effect at this point. The fact is that the phone attenuates signal when you hold it, *regardless of the technical reason for the attenuation*, and other phones also attenuate signal when being held (the 4 simply attenuates a little more). Unless you've superglued your iPhone 4 to your index finger, the "I can attenuate the signal with one finger" argument is moot. I keep seeing people harping on this point but nobody seems to understand why it's irrelevant to the user.
It is also the main reason for Apple to give away a free bumper. Oh well. I guess you missed it. Whatever.
 
Because most people are lazy and don't want to deal with issues until it's too late. Many :apple: customers fall into that box. Power users don't.

What is your evidence for this pattern of consumer behaviour:

a) Generally, and;

b) When the product has been subject to huge press coverage about a supposed issue?
 
Because most people are lazy and don't want to deal with issues until it's too late. Many :apple: customers fall into that box. Power users don't.
Haha, what's a "power user"? Let me guess, whatever it is, it includes you, right?

Sorry, don't take me too seriously. It's just that whenever someone says "power user", almost without exception they mean "me, as opposed to stupid people".
 
Because :apple: has a special halo around them that other companies don't. So people will continue using the defective IP4 out of a misplaced loyalty or something.

Apple has a "special halo" because they make damn good products that everyone else scrambles to emulate. The iPhone 4 is yet another example. Just wait for similar external antenna designs to hit the market in a few months.
 
Why would someone refuse to return a defective product? I mean, the accusation is that it's a design "defect", right? So can you give us an example of another defective consumer product that people refuse to return, even when there are plenty of other options available?

NVidea GPU's in MBP's. They are all about to fail however most people do not return the MBP's unless the GPU completely fails. They know they are covered by apple care.

Dead Pixels. Most people keep their monitors with several dead pixels as long as they don't see them all the time.

There are quite a number of defects in gadgets (yellow tint in screens) that are to so little consequence to most that the hassle of returning is it not worth to them.
The iPhone 4 is just another example.
 
If you don't like the iPhone 4, don't buy one. The rest of us will be less critical and cash in from it. No one ever built a statue to a critic.

The fact you think the CEO of Apple deserves to have a statue to memorialize him is disturbing, and makes me think some Apple users need to take a step back and get out of the whole 'worship' mentality.

Also, I can't believe Apple has sunk to posting videos on YouTube (lol) to try and defend itself. What's next? Steve Jobs becoming another one of the thousands of YouTube bloggers, going on about crap no one cares about?
 
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Power user.
 
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