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o_O What a load of crap! Touchy feely crap! How about less of the "how do you feel" and more of how good are the products ....not how good you feel the products are....now how did the store make you feel about the products....how good are they. All this millennial emotional self-centered non-sense statistics crap is devolution at its finest. Why aren't they rating the companies based on emojis....Apple is "pizza emoji", Microsoft is "gun emoji", BMW is "cassette tape emoji". Then all the kids will understand.
 
If international, many won't be familiar with tesla. Also, few have their products.
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3000 is not a small sample size.

Yup, you are right indeed. It is statistically insignificant.. compared to the total consumers of any one given brand between the top five. Would the results still be the same if the masterminds behind the survey diversified their sampling population towards other consumer markets such as Asia? Just saying.

And by judging from their managing team and profile, I seriously doubt that they had surveyed even one single person that spoke Mandarin...
 
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o_O What a load of crap! Touchy feely crap! How about less of the "how do you feel" and more of how good are the products ....not how good you feel the products are....now how did the store make you feel about the products....how good are they. All this millennial emotional self-centered non-sense statistics crap is devolution at its finest. Why aren't they rating the companies based on emojis....Apple is "pizza emoji", Microsoft is "gun emoji", BMW is "cassette tape emoji". Then all the kids will understand.

LOL the idea is brand loyalty polling not a technical break down but I like the emoji suggestion.

Cut the millenials a break, we got dealt with the crappy ends of the economy, job market, home prices, student loans, inflation and ability to start families...
 
LOL the idea is brand loyalty polling not a technical break down but I like the emoji suggestion.

Cut the millenials a break, we got dealt with the crappy ends of the economy, job market, home prices, student loans, inflation and ability to start families...
I am a millenial....on the older end....and I don't think we as a group have done anything worth while. We are just a bunch of selfcentered over educated P.C. know-it-alls who care about the stupidest things.
 
I am a millenial....on the older end....and I don't think we as a group have done anything worth while. We are just a bunch of selfcentered over educated P.C. know-it-alls who care about the stupidest things.

That's too general to the masses...Myself and a lot of the people I know of that generation work our asses off against those odds and others. Some fit your description but many do not as well.
 
And Samsung also continues to sell older Galaxy S models along with their newest model.

Samsung sells way more Galaxy S in the US, so to see them at number 2 isn't surprising. But Apple still crushes Samsung overall for worldwide flagship sales. Which answers your first post where you said Apple doesn't lead any market. They sure do lead - in flagship sales.

Again no. http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobil...features-hardware-sales-android-nougat-update

But if you want to actually prove your point then show me some numbers for just the iPhone 6s and Galaxy 7. Otherwise everything I see says Samsung is more popular than iPhone on a worldwide basis.
 
This! Apple have stated this many times, they don't have a lot of market share in the smartphone business for example, they currently have 3 lines on sale, iPhoine 6s, iPhone SE and the iPhone 6, where as a company like Samsung have a load of smartphones, s6, note, active, Neo, to name just a few. Apple make quality over quantity.
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The problem with Samsung is their customer service is so bad!!
Maybe they used to be, on the one occasion I've used them, they were excellent. All personal experience of course. I wouldn't dream of saying they are excellent accross the board... as I'm sure that you wouldn't let your one bad experience several years ago let you think they were still terrible accross the board.. ???
 
Again no. http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobil...features-hardware-sales-android-nougat-update

But if you want to actually prove your point then show me some numbers for just the iPhone 6s and Galaxy 7. Otherwise everything I see says Samsung is more popular than iPhone on a worldwide basis.

I see. So you're going to use numbers for a just-launched device (the S7) where demand is the highest and people are pre-ordering and compare it to a device that was launched 9 months ago (iPhone 6S)? In that case, let's compare sales of the iPhone 6S last year when it launched and compare THOSE numbers to the S7.

And I see you want to avoid the link I provided regarding Samsung only selling 200 million Galaxy S phones to Apples 413 million iPhones. At a time when Samsung was at peak growth (and before their long decline).
 
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Yup, you are right indeed. It is statistically insignificant.. compared to the total consumers of any one given brand between the top five. Would the results still be the same if the masterminds behind the survey diversified their sampling population towards other consumer markets such as Asia? Just saying.

And by judging from their managing team and profile, I seriously doubt that they had surveyed even one single person that spoke Mandarin...

One does not measure sample sizes for statistical significance; rather one measures effect sizes: i.e., differences, correlations, and other statistics.

Whether or not 3000 is large enough would require a power analysis, but usually 30 samples (that's right, thirty) is enough to get an accurate measure of a single mean average. Given that these data were collected as a within-subject design, 3000 almost certainly provides plenty power.

But you did at least know the term exists. B-
 
I'd be one of those customers. MS are working on some incredibly exciting things.
Apple.. not so much.

And you know this how?

Apple never announces what they're working on or talks about future plans. The only time we get a clue is when a manufacturer leaks something outside of Apples control (like spy shots of the next iPhone).

Companies like Google (worst offender) are always hyping future products long before they're viable. It makes them appear more innovative, but it's smoke & mirrors.
 
I am a millenial....on the older end....and I don't think we as a group have done anything worth while. We are just a bunch of selfcentered over educated P.C. know-it-alls who care about the stupidest things.
We haven't done much because we haven't been alive for very long. By many metrics, the recent generations are much better than their parent generations born in the 60s-70s. The one thing might be lack of physical fitness nowadays... which makes it sound like everyone turned into nerds. I loved how the movie 21 Jump Street portrayed it (even though the movie was kinda dumb otherwise).

As for the political correctness thing, I go to a university that's one of the birthplaces of that bullcrap. The school administration itself, i.e. the older people, definitely try to spread it. Very few students do. It hasn't been successful; most students just care about their studies and/or aren't very sensitive.
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I'm no Google fan, but how can it be that Google is nowhere on the top10 on this list?
That just seems ridiculous.
Uh, because Bing is clearly better than Google. (Just kidding! Don't shoot!)
 
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We haven't done much because we haven't been alive for very long. By many metrics, the recent generations are much better than their parent generations born in the 60s-70s.

As for the political correctness thing, I go to a university that's one of the birthplaces of that bullcrap. The school administration itself, i.e. the older people, definitely try to spread it. It hasn't been successful; most students just care about their studies.
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Uh, because Bing is clearly better than Google. (Just kidding! Don't shoot!)

As explained, Google was not among the options. Alphabet was, since that is the company name, and turns out nobody know what that is yet.
 
As explained, Google was not among the options. Alphabet was, since that is the company name, and turns out nobody know what that is yet.
You're right. My mistake. I didn't read that far down.
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And you know this how?

Apple never announces what they're working on or talks about future plans. The only time we get a clue is when a manufacturer leaks something outside of Apples control (like spy shots of the next iPhone).

Companies like Google (worst offender) are always hyping future products long before they're viable. It makes them appear more innovative, but it's smoke & mirrors.
Agreed about both MS and Google. MS under the new CEO has been showing off more and more stuff that won't ever be on the market. In reality, MS sells Xbox, Windows, Office, OneDrive, Azure, Windows Phone, and Bing. None of those are very exciting. Bing and Windows Phone are universally hated. Xbox is going nowhere.
 
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Apple have always said (along the lines of) that they strive not to make a mass market product - they strive to make the best possible product/experience. This inherently carries a price premium and therefore prices itself out of being able to be purchased in high enough volumes to win the biggest marketshare.

Interesting take since whether with cellphones, PCs, or tablets, Apple has been losing market share while users have switched to more innovative competitors. I have a 2007 iMac still not updated. Why?

Despite running slowly, the cheapest Mac of any line with a dedicated GPU is nearly $2000. If Apple really worried about creating the best experience anymore they wouldn't skimp so much on the specs. The software is great but the hardware is way too slow. The form is beautiful but the function is lacking.
 
Maybe they used to be, on the one occasion I've used them, they were excellent. All personal experience of course. I wouldn't dream of saying they are excellent accross the board... as I'm sure that you wouldn't let your one bad experience several years ago let you think they were still terrible accross the board.. ???

This is true! I wouldn't say they were terrible across the board based on 1 bad experience, however from friends and even posts I've seen on Facebook and on Samsungs own Facebokk page, people seem to be very upset with their customer service, now of course this could just be isolated incidents as people do only complain when something goes wrong and never mention when things are good or even great.

Personally I've noticed over the last couple of years Samsungs S6 and S7 have been great phones to look at design wise, I can't speak for use because I've not used one. However the bad experience I had with an S4 a few years ago, did put me off the Samsung smartphone brand. I can't say as I've ever had a problem with any of my Apple devices, maybe I'm just very lucky, but I do think Apple make great products BUT yes we do pay a premium for that, personally I don't mind.
 
I see. So you're going to use numbers for a just-launched device (the S7) where demand is the highest and people are pre-ordering and compare it to a device that was launched 9 months ago (iPhone 6S)? In that case, let's compare sales of the iPhone 6S last year when it launched and compare THOSE numbers to the S7.

And I see you want to avoid the link I provided regarding Samsung only selling 200 million Galaxy S phones to Apples 413 million iPhones. At a time when Samsung was at peak growth (and before their long decline).

Ah, but see how easy it is to pick and choose data when there is no official source in the first place.

Let me boil this down. You are the one claiming Apple holds worldwide marketshare in high end phones. Show me the data. Simple as that. I've never seen such a report because Apple doesn't report sales by model, just by product category. So I go by product category because that is what is official. For that there is data and it clearly shows Apple/iOS does not lead in worldwide phone sales.

Honestly, I don't know why marketshare rankles you so & why you seem to take it so personally. It certainly is a non-issue to Apple, who ignores the metric and also doesn't want people to focus on model x sales vs model y. It's not relevant to Apple profits or my observation. Case in point: The iPhone SE, not the iPhone flagship model, looks like it might be carrying Apple to a respectable quarter. It's far more popular than Apple forecasted. Great for Apple. Unlikely to move the marketshare needle as most of the sales were by existing iPhone users who resisted moving to a bigger phone footprint.

I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a disconnect between consumer's love for Apple and it being the go-to brand world wide in any major product category -- not model, major product category. And you twisted it into some sort of goulash. Apple is clearly influential, yes, but not dominant in any sales category for which there is official data. The numbers make no doubt Android is far more popular. And, it would seem, anecdotally, not just because there are less expensive phones on that OS. I see a lot more Android devices in the wealthiest cities in Europe like London, Berlin, Paris than iPhones. Quite the opposite from, say, DC or NYC where it iPhones are far more common. Same goes for Macs, which are littered in U.S. airport waiting areas. Not so much elsewhere in the world.
 
When the average apple user finally gets stick of the post 2007 pattern of iOS and OSX degradation and garbagifying, I think these numbers will follow MSFT's trend from the early 00's. They better hope 10 and mOS gets their now almost decade long crapfest of half baked OS programming back on track. But then again, I haven't heard of them hiring hundreds more programmers to work on their devolving operating systems.

I am hearing WAY more anecdotal stories within my family and friends around the country who don't trust automatic updates or OS releases anymore. Any of you naysayers, do your homework before smacking me down, because this is not a new phenomena in the software/hardware industry. Apple is now a big ship that steers very slowly now. Its not the speedboat it was or the cruiser it became. Its a tanker and their OS programming is tanking.
 
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Ah, but see how easy it is to pick and choose data when there is no official source in the first place.

Let me boil this down. You are the one claiming Apple holds worldwide marketshare in high end phones. Show me the data. Simple as that. I've never seen such a report because Apple doesn't report sales by model, just by product category. So I go by product category because that is what is official. For that there is data and it clearly shows Apple/iOS does not lead in worldwide phone sales.

Honestly, I don't know why marketshare rankles you so & why you seem to take it so personally. It certainly is a non-issue to Apple, who ignores the metric and also doesn't want people to focus on model x sales vs model y. It's not relevant to Apple profits or my observation. Case in point: The iPhone SE, not the iPhone flagship model, looks like it might be carrying Apple to a respectable quarter. It's far more popular than Apple forecasted. Great for Apple. Unlikely to move the marketshare needle as most of the sales were by existing iPhone users who resisted moving to a bigger phone footprint.

I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a disconnect between consumer's love for Apple and it being the go-to brand world wide in any major product category -- not model, major product category. And you twisted it into some sort of goulash. Apple is clearly influential, yes, but not dominant in any sales category for which there is official data. The numbers make no doubt Android is far more popular. And, it would seem, anecdotally, not just because there are less expensive phones on that OS. I see a lot more Android devices in the wealthiest cities in Europe like London, Berlin, Paris than iPhones. Quite the opposite from, say, DC or NYC where it iPhones are far more common. Same goes for Macs, which are littered in U.S. airport waiting areas. Not so much elsewhere in the world.


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Odd how Apple is always ranked high on these lists yet it doesn't have anything close to worldwide marketshare in any single major product category

My claim was this:

They are the market leader in flagship smartphones.

Your claim is 100% false, while my claim is 100% right. I'm not upset at anything since I'm simply dealing with facts. Facts you seem to want to ignore so you don't have to admit you're wrong. I already showed you REAL data provided by none other than Samsung themselves. All you've provided are useless reports from analysts and cherry picked numbers to support your incorrect position.

You keep asking for numbers and I already provided you with the most important one that exists. That is, when Samsung announced they sold 200 million Galaxy S smartphones (flagships). This is a very important number, because MOST phones Samsung sells are low end junk. At the time this figure was announced Samsung had actually sold almost 1 billion smartphones. Right away this tells us that the majority of phones Samsung sells are low-end devices, and only a small portion of them are flagships.

This can also be confirmed by the low ASP of Samsung devices (which has hovered around $220-250 for years now). Let's say Samsung sells one flagship for $500. They also sell two cheap phones at $50 each. That's a grand total of $600 for three devices. That gives us an ASP of $200. If Samsung sold one device at $500 and two devices at $100 that gives us an ASP of $233. You can try any combination you like, but it's a fact that flagships make up less than 1/3rd of Samsung sales.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160707000313&RURL=#jyk

This is the only estimate we have for Galaxy S7 sales, since Samsung are cowards and no longer tell us flagship sales numbers (the Galaxy S4 was the last device Samsung ever announced numbers for). This figure of 26 million is also around 1/3 of their total smartphone sales, which also aligns with their ASP.


Now let's look at Apple. Right off the bat, Apple only sells flagships. There are no $50 or $100 iPhones for sale anywhere. About as cheap as you'll find is the iPhone SE for $399. The more important number for Apple is their ASP, which has consistently been in the mid to high $600 range. The holiday quarter, right after the 6S launched, their ASP rose to $690. This recent quarter (where they had their first ever decline in history) the ASP had dropped to $642 (last year it was $659). It's important to note that this ASP ALSO includes sales of older iPhones (like the 5S or 6). Which also pretty much stamps out the theory people have that most iPhone sales are older models at lower prices, or models like the 5 or 4S (which were recently still being sold in 3rd world countries). This is simply not possible, or their ASP would reflect it.


BOTTOM LINE: Most iPhone sales are the newer models and they are all flagships. Most Samsung phone sales are low-end junk, and only a small portion of them (less than 1/3) are flagships. Since Samsung is widely regarded as the #1 Android smartphone seller (trouncing companies like HTC, LG, Motorola and others), and since Apple sells more than 2X as many flagships as Samsung, then Apple is clearly the market leader in flagships.
 
LOL the idea is brand loyalty polling not a technical break down but I like the emoji suggestion.

Cut the millenials a break, we got dealt with the crappy ends of the economy, job market, home prices, student loans, inflation and ability to start families...
Well, I'd say every generation has to deal with crappy economy, job market, etc.. I can certainly recall the late 70s as a not so fantastic time economically....the long lines to buy gas during the oil crisis was a fun time. :)
 
Apple's brand perception in the general public vs. tech blog commenters is amazingly different.

Probably because they make really nice TVs, refrigerators, washing machines.

Also, they make the best smartphone hardware in the industry, without a doubt.
 
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