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When the average apple user finally gets stick of the post 2007 pattern of iOS and OSX degradation and garbagifying, I think these numbers will follow MSFT's trend from the early 00's. They better hope 10 and mOS gets their now almost decade long crapfest of half baked OS programming back on track. But then again, I haven't heard of them hiring hundreds more programmers to work on their devolving operating systems.

I am hearing WAY more anecdotal stories within my family and friends around the country who don't trust automatic updates or OS releases anymore. Any of you naysayers, do your homework before smacking me down, because this is not a new phenomena in the software/hardware industry. Apple is now a big ship that steers very slowly now. Its not the speedboat it was or the cruiser it became. Its a tanker and their OS programming is tanking.
+1 to your anecdotal stories. OS X and iOS have definitely been getting buggier for me.
 
And you know this how?

Apple never announces what they're working on or talks about future plans. The only time we get a clue is when a manufacturer leaks something outside of Apples control (like spy shots of the next iPhone).

Companies like Google (worst offender) are always hyping future products long before they're viable. It makes them appear more innovative, but it's smoke & mirrors.

Hmm, it's not rocket surgery. Apple is never first to market anything.
If we could somehow get a look into TC's pipeline what do you expect to see? Could it be exactly the same boring shell of an iPhone with just enough tweaks (but only the smallest amount) to milk some more cash out of that cow?
Could it be over priced Macs with last years tech but just a bit thinner?
Maybe watchbands is where it's at?
The leaks themselves paint a picture of continued disappointment.

On the other hand..Hype and looking forward to the future is WHY we have the tech. It's what makes people actually THINK DIFFERENT!

Damn, it's a pretty sorry state if companies are shot down for trying new things even if they currently don't work to their full potential.
Better to play it safe and watch those margins.
 
Your claim is 100% false, while my claim is 100% right.

Yes, yes, you are right because you say you are. Facts not needed because you say so. Honestly, don't really care at this point either way -- was only making an observation -- and this conversation has been beaten down one can't even recognize the horse as horse anymore.

I will leave with this though, as you quoted me correctly, I did write major product category and defined as one which Apple reports as a class. Apple reports iPhone sales as a group, not by model. There is no "Flagship" category as you write. It's something you made up, but Apple does not report these sales. It clumps them in with every iPhone model they sell. All iPhone models cannot be flagships or the meaning of the word has no meaning.
 
Yes, yes, you are right because you say you are. Facts not needed because you say so. Honestly, don't really care at this point either way -- was only making an observation -- and this conversation has been beaten down one can't even recognize the horse as horse anymore.

I will leave with this though, as you quoted me correctly, I did write major product category and defined as one which Apple reports as a class. Apple reports iPhone sales as a group, not by model. There is no "Flagship" category as you write. It's something you made up, but Apple does not report these sales. It clumps them in with every iPhone model they sell. All iPhone models cannot be flagships or the meaning of the word has no meaning.

Sorry, but ALL iPhones are flagships. Apple doesn't play in the junk market (like Samsung and all the others). "Apple reports as a class"? I see, so you put a qualifier on your post so you can try to back out gracefully when you were clearly wrong? Figures.

I posted FACTS, straight from Samsung themselves (not some 3rd party analyst making guesses).

Samsung sold 200 million flagships. Apple sold 413 million flagships. In what universe is 200 million better than 413 millions?

Samsung had 7 consecutive quarters of declines. Apple had 7 consecutive quarters of record sales. In what universe are declines better than gains? How does a company with consecutive declines make ground against a company with consecutive gains when they were already behind to start?


People criticize Apple when it's reported they make 90% of the profits in the smartphone world (and claim Apple is ripping you off). Then turn around and pretend Apple isn't #1 in high-end phone sales. Which is it? It can't be both.
 
Sorry, but ALL iPhones are flagships.

Ah. That's is where this thing went off the rails. No, sorry. A flagship product is a companies top product. The one with all the bells and whistles, the one that leads the rest of the pack.

The term "flagship" comes from the days when ships sailed together. The lead ship was the flagship. And so too it is with products, which it why marketing co-opted the term. Even a company like BMW has one flagship product. The 3 series, for example, is a very nice car. It's not the flagship. Armani is an elite name in the fashion world, but Emporio Armani is the flagship. Armani Collezioni and other Armani labels are a rung+ down in the product lineup.

This is not me determining what "flagship" means in reference to consumer goods, it's the universal definition.

Now you may personally regard all iPhones as great. That's fine. But from a marketing and sales perspective, the 5S is not a flagship product in 2016. The iPhone 6SE is a huge seller and may even help Apple bridge the revenue gap this quarter. But it's not the flagship product.

If you don't understand this now you will after you take a few business classes in college.
 
Ah. That's is where this thing went off the rails. No, sorry. A flagship product is a companies top product. The one with all the bells and whistles, the one that leads the rest of the pack.

The term "flagship" comes from the days when ships sailed together. The lead ship was the flagship. And so too it is with products, which it why marketing co-opted the term. Even a company like BMW has one flagship product. The 3 series, for example, is a very nice car. It's not the flagship. Armani is an elite name in the fashion world, but Emporio Armani is the flagship. Armani Collezioni and other Armani labels are a rung+ down in the product lineup.

This is not me determining what "flagship" means in reference to consumer goods, it's the universal definition.

Now you may personally regard all iPhones as great. That's fine. But from a marketing and sales perspective, the 5S is not a flagship product in 2016. The iPhone 6SE is a huge seller and may even help Apple bridge the revenue gap this quarter. But it's not the flagship product.

If you don't understand this now you will after you take a few business classes in college.

So now you want to redefine the term "flagship" to support your argument? Oh wait, you already knew I'd call you out on that, otherwise why the preemptive comment about what "flagship" means. You know exactly what I meant, so stop being pedantic.

I see you missed (or ignored) my comment above where Samsung ALSO continues to sell their older models when a new Galaxy S comes out. Just like Apple does. However, all iPhones sold were at one point in time their "flagship" just like all Galaxy S phones were also their flagships when introduced. Doesn't change the fact that iPhone sales completely and absolute crush Galaxy S sales.

I need to go to business college? So now that you've run out of arguments/deflections you're going to resort to attacks instead?
 
So now you want to redefine the term "flagship" to support your argument? Oh wait, you already knew I'd call you out on that, otherwise why the preemptive comment about what "flagship" means. You know exactly what I meant, so stop being pedantic.

I see you missed (or ignored) my comment above where Samsung ALSO continues to sell their older models when a new Galaxy S comes out. Just like Apple does. However, all iPhones sold were at one point in time their "flagship" just like all Galaxy S phones were also their flagships when introduced. Doesn't change the fact that iPhone sales completely and absolute crush Galaxy S sales.

I need to go to business college? So now that you've run out of arguments/deflections you're going to resort to attacks instead?

Sorry guy. I'm not trying to redefine anything -- you are. See Webster's Dictionary definition here. Read definition #2. (I was never trying to be pedantic, just always assumed the correct definition of the word, and assumed you understood it too. On that point I was very wrong.

To be kind I'll reprint Webster's:

  • the best, largest, or most important one of a group of things (such as products, stores, etc.)

 
This is another one of those paid by award recipient research scams like JD Edwards.
 
I'm no Google fan, but how can it be that Google is nowhere on the top10 on this list?
That just seems ridiculous.
To me, Google is like a toilet. Everyone has one, but appreciating it when you need it doesn't mean it excites you. And everything flows to the same place.

Edit: I somehow keep ending up in my saved articles. Gotta work on that.
 
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