Obviously this is pure opinion/speculation, I assumed this would be obvious because nobody can possibly KNOW what apple's stock will do. And don't think I'm against apple/think they are always going downhill, I bought stock in them last year (what a good decision!). But I do definitely think their stock is going to lose value in the next few months.
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Bully for you. That doesn't make the ads misleading. I've cleaned plenty of spyware from friends' and neighbors' computers. My neighbor across the street got hit with a virus, and the PC repair shop who offered to "clean" the virus from his drive ended up wiping all his data in the process. He's now on a new 24" iMac.
The ads aren't wrong, you've just been lucky.
There are plenty of Windows users who can strongly disagree with your assessment based on their own personal experience.
If these ads were as bogus as you claim, Microsoft would have sued Apple for false advertising years ago. They haven't sued because the ads are legally accurate. The truth hurts.
If you're going to call someone stupid, you may want to, um, you know, spell it correctly. It makes you look less stupid in the process.
Come on, that is a funny cartoon, it is a joke, not fact. We (apple users) should be able to laugh if someone makes fun of Apple.
I really don't understand why. Viruses doesn't come out of nowhere. They just don't suddenly attack a computer. A malicious website RARELY infects a Windows box. It all comes down to a user mistake, fishy websites and random downloads. Intelligent people don't get viruses nowadays. I'm sorry to tell you this.
Nah. This kind of advertisement happens all the time in the US. Lol at "legally accurate" btw. You say that like if anybody cares.
Tell me something, if Apple is magical and great, and OS X is the ultimate super powerful OS out there, why don't they focus on their own OS instead of making fun of the competition.
I don't see MS making fun of Apple (ignoring Ballmer of course).
An advertisement that's not 100% factual and biased?!!?? WHAT??!?!? Stop the presses!! This is news!!!
This also just in: it's cheaper to build a PC than it is to buy a Mac. Wow, thanks for the revelation!
I would hope it'd be fast, if it's an i7.
I wouldn't have done the Asus motherboard, but otherwise it looks nice.
I wonder when the Microsoft shills are going to realize that Mac people use Macs because they like to? Is it so hard a concept to understand? Really?
I like and use Windows 7 everyday. I also use Ubuntu Linux everyday. However as my main machine I prefer OS X.
We realize they are more expensive. We know we can get a cheaper machine running Windows (or Linux). But we like OS X, we like Macs.
Get over it already, and find a forum where you'll be happier posting instead of getting all wound up over 10 year old revelations.
I have no issue with people preferring apple's OS and macs, and using them. Thats totally personal preference, and I don't really care.An advertisement that's not 100% factual and biased?!!?? WHAT??!?!? Stop the presses!! This is news!!!
This also just in: it's cheaper to build a PC than it is to buy a Mac. Wow, thanks for the revelation!
I would hope it'd be fast, if it's an i7.
I wouldn't have done the Asus motherboard, but otherwise it looks nice.
I wonder when the Microsoft shills are going to realize that Mac people use Macs because they like to? Is it so hard a concept to understand? Really?
I like and use Windows 7 everyday. I also use Ubuntu Linux everyday. However as my main machine I prefer OS X.
We realize they are more expensive. We know we can get a cheaper machine running Windows (or Linux). But we like OS X, we like Macs.
Get over it already, and find a forum where you'll be happier posting instead of getting all wound up over 10 year old revelations.
Where I take issue is posts like this:
zweigand said:
I wonder when the apple fanboys will realize that the majority uses Windows because it works just fine for them? (not just because they have to "tolerate it" or because they are "used to it".) Is that concept so hard to understand? really?
well, slappy sam said it best.
Try reading my whole post where I say I use Windows 7 everyday, and Linux everyday before calling me an Apple fanboy.
I never said Windows 7 is horrible, it's a great OS. It's just not for everybody.
But Windows isn't better than OS X. It's not worse either, which is probably what that poster was missing. It's just different.
If you mean, "Why all the criticism of Apple?", there's a lot of anger out there in non-fanboi land regarding Apple's poor pricing. If you think the Apple Tax is bad for US customers, there's further 30%-50% on top of that tax for all of us outside US borders. For example:
Base Mini, US price: $599 U.S. dollars.
Base Mini, Australia price: $849 Australian dollars = $779.6367 U.S. dollars (says Google today, and that's after an only-recent AUD $200 price-cut).
Blaming shipping and so on, as they always do, is faintly ludicrous; Australia's much closer in location to Apple's Chinese factories than the United States. It's all down to Apple execs not even bothering to adjust pricing to local markets.
Apple should have put their boot to Microsoft's throat during the Vista era, but, they've essentially stopped paying attention to the computing market and let that opportunity slip by.
Apple desperately needs to stop believing their own publicity and pull their head out.
Now let's bring that 849AUS down to 771.82 so that we are talking about equivalents here since GST is included in the price, but yes, they do charge more abroad.
There was never an opportunity to put a "boot to Microsoft's throat". Let's be realistic. Further, after the last quarter's results, I imagine the general mood in Cupertino is business as usual.
that's interesting, because Macs have been more expensive than PC's for like......well, always.
Which doesn't explain the sudden influx of people that are shocked Macs are expensive. Did these people just learn how to use the Internet and just discover Macs are expensive?
Apple's not going to lower their prices when they have quarters like they just did. If you don't like it, don't use Macs. Vote with your wallet. Simple.
Windows is now a great alternative now more than ever with Windows 7, and Ubuntu is amazingly easy to use now too and provides much of the functionality one would need in an OS for free.
There must be a lot of non-intelligent people using Windows then.
I'm sure Apple and Microsoft care. Again, if these ads were as blatantly false as the Winbots here are ranting and raving, MS would have slapped Apple with a massive lawsuit long ago.
Did I ever say Apple is "magical?" Hardly. Do I think their stuff is better than Microsoft's? Yep.
If making fun of the competition works, why not do it? Advertisers do it all the time. Maybe Microsoft should work on making their stuff better and less mockable?
Oh, yes, of course, ignore the fact that Microsoft's CEO mocks Apple every chance he gets. That doesn't count, right?
Odd, we're not the ones trolling the Windows user forums telling them how crummy their platform of choice is. Unlike the trolls here who rage about Apple and its users.
I wonder when the Windows fanboys will realize that we use OS X because it works just fine for us?
Things that make you go "Hmmm."
Hmm, let's see: Microsoft launches ad campaign talking about how "expensive" Macs are. Simultaneously, MacRumors is flooded by new members complaining about how "expensive" Macs are (among other rants).
Coincidence?
Ahhh, so I get it. He is crazy because he has a different choice than yours.
Cool story bro.
Ummm... yeah?
The thing you need to understand---- well I don't care. The thing people need to know is that the problems with malware are not as big now as they were some years ago, in the Windows XP days.
Please. Have you honestly seen the attitude MS have taken regarding Apple? They just don't publicly care. Yes, they obviously care on the inside, they need to compete. But they aren't throwing random accusations at Apple. The only example I can remember of this is the I'm a PC ads (and hot Rachel for that matter : D).
Some things don't need to be said.
I'm OS agnostic, do I think either Linux, OSX or Windows is better than the other? No, I'm not 13 year olds and I don't feel superior because of my OS of choice (which ironically is Linux). I do think each OS work differently and is better for different roles.
Yes that's pretty much what I said above. Whether it works or not, that's not the point. The point is that they should be focusing on the features of OSX instead of making fun of moot points of Windows.
I mean... "I promise..." what is that supposed to mean? The only "broken promise" I recall is Vista and possibly ME.
Oh, yes, of course, ignore the fact that Microsoft's CEO mocks Apple every chance he gets. That doesn't count, right?
Yes, let's ignore it because I'm sure the average Joe in the street will say Bill Gates is the current CEO of MS. Let's ignore it because the vast amount of people that are targeted by "I'm a Mac" ads cannot be compared to the amount of people that will eventually find out of whatever Ballmer does.
Again and again and again. Yes, maybe not you, but many Apple trolls everywhere insist in shoving up your religion to the rest of the world. Normal people? They don't care, they just go along with their choice.
When you accept the fact the Windows works for us.
When you accept the fact that your opinions about windows are just that, opinions.
Things that make me go "meh..." perhaps.
Since you like to take everything personal:
Not talking specifically about you.
Yes, talking specifically about you.
No, he's crazy because he's trying to sell something here that people don't want. Am I on a PC forum trying to get him to buy a Mac? No.
I wouldn't say he's crazy, however the "I built a super L33t PC for less than a Mac" deal gets old after the 1000th time around here.
Well they obviously care on the outside too, hence the "I'm a PC" ads.
Neither does everyone here, so probably a good idea to stop assuming everyone's a fanboy. Because they're not.
Given their release cycle, that's significant, in my eyes.
The trolls here seem to think we're crazy because we choose Macs - and they have no problem telling us so.
Well, if you're going to speak for me then I have no need to be part of the discussion.
What you fail to recognize (or admit to) is the horde of MS trolls everywhere insisting on shoving their own brand of religion around. This forum has ample evidence of that. Geez, we have people on this forum who are making a career of pushing Windows/Dell/etc. and denigrating Apple (and its customers) at every opportunity.
This door swings both ways.
I don't give a flying fig about your choice of Windows. Seriously. Love Windows? Awesome! Enjoy it. Embrace it. Just don't spend your days here on MacRumors telling me how stupid my choice of Macs and OS X is.
Simple.
Can you also explain the pricing breakdown for the Dell, HP, Sony, and Lenovo equivalent All in Ones? Compare oranges to oranges here. Apple chooses not to compete in the budget tower space. I love how liking quality, design, and satisfaction is "elitist". I guess you would compare a Lexus to a budget Chevy. And what about Sony's prices on everything?Microsoft needs to take off the kid gloves and punch back at what you REALLY pay for when you buy a Mac:
It's all about elitism. You PAY for the Apple brand name, like you do for a Sony product like a TV. Call it what it is-- the Apple Tax.
BTW last fall, winter and spring Microsoft's PC ads kept showing and pointing out Apple laptops with 2 GB of RAM when they were upgraded to 4 GB standard across the board. Real honest in that one.
I had to laugh when I saw the Microsoft store opening, it IS an Apple store, but just with PCs instead. Real original there. I love how people feel the need to protect a company that has made a living over squashing smaller competitors with their monopoly.
Umm, Apple just lowered their prices, what are you talking about?
With regard to sudden influx, it's probably due to users becoming more savvy with tech, a average Mac user is not going to go to MADONION to post how well their 3D benchmarks did whereas new MAC users are starting to come on board but at the same time asking questions like why is the GPU so slow? Why is there no mid range offering.
On poster suggested that a mini tower would hurt Mac Pro sales, I think it would hurt iMac sales. Think about it, a new user comes in and probably has a monitor, see's a tower for $899 that has 4-8 cores, it would out sell the iMac.
The shame is that Apple fails to realize, and yes am saying this again, that they are missing out on a lot of sales, but I think they don't have the capacity to meet the demand should something like that happen, nonetheless, PROumers are users in between a PRO and Consumer and they use video apps, audio apps, these people would buy these machines where they find the mac too limiting, e.g., in audio, you need 3 HD's, as you need one for the OS, one for recording, one for samples and software instruments, and that is a huge business.
Look at Avid, the owners of Avid and Pro Tools. They saw their Pro Tools sales slipping big time with computers getting faster, so they ended up buying M-Audio and make a bundle now.
The most amazing thing though, is that gamers buy more gamers then music and video's purchases combined, and yet apple doesn't address these users nor do they reach out to the PRO user that used to work in a studio and cannot afford a $3500 machine, but need the PCIe slots, lots of RAM, and these are the people that kept Apple afloat WAY before the iPhone.
However, it seems that everything is all about the iPhone and even the Pro users on Apple's own discussion group agree, that Apple doesn't really care about them with long waits on updates, bugs in software, and remember reading that (e.g.), the Logic group was only like 10 people. 10? That's not good if it's true.
Peace.
Okay this is somewhat laughable. I am not a windows pushing troll like you think. I have actually been reading macrumors for about two years now (okay, in fairness not that long I suppose) and was considering getting a mac for my next computer.
However, after doing some research, I realized that a similar windows machine would work much better for me. And I think it could work better for some of you too... why you ask?
Lower cost - my system was $900 like I said, you can get PCs for about $400 now, if price is an issue a PC is probably going to be better for you
Much more performance/value for your money - that $900 bought me a pretty close to top of the line rig, and I'd have to spend more like $2500 on a mac to get this performance. I do a lot of photoshop work, as well as flash, and batch processing in lightroom, so this is important to me and the reason I upgraded from my 6 yr old computer
Better warranties - I have 3 year warranties on pretty much all my parts. If something goes I can RMA it and have my computer working in a couple days, without having to pay apple/dell etc. and go through that hassle.
I get to pick my components - I don't game, so I don't need an expensive GPU. With apple's offerings I am forced into their "stock" GPU option which was overkill for what I needed. My graphics card cost me $35, came with COD5, and runs it perfectly.
Windows 7 - I put windows 7 on my laptop before buying the new computer so I could see if I liked it. I love it. Even on 1gb of ram and an old processor, it runs so smoothly, even better than XP. I love all the new features of it, and yes, it is actually probably more like a Mac in the way the OS functions than ever before. I prefer windows 7 to snow leopard, mostly because I'm familiar with the way windows works already.
Compatibility - With my engineering I need to use CAD software and other programs that sometimes can't run on a mac. I could dual boot, but what is the point of getting a mac and paying that premium if I'm going to be running windows on it anyway? Plus, I have to pay to buy windows 7 on top of the whole mac system. And, all my software that I have now is windows, so I have to weigh whether or not switching would be worth changing over all the licenses/etc.
Appearance - By building my own PC I was able to choose from a lot of cases, and I picked one that I prefer the look of (to a mac). It's really nice looking and has 5 bays for fans so that keeps everything extremely cool. It's also really quiet.
Now, what were the pros for getting a mac? Honestly, I could only find 2.
Appearance - I prefer the look, feel, and design of some macs (macbook pro) to their PC counterparts. I think they are more solid feeling, probably better made, and will last longer. Plus, macs are definitely more "in" right now.
Snow Leopard/OSX - I like this operating system better than xp or vista. In fact if I hadn't tried windows 7 I might be on a mac right now. But seriously, windows 7 is the best operating system I've ever used and I prefer it to a mac. This is probably one of the biggest reasons I ended up not switching.
I see these mac ads and all they do is say "blah viruses blah" "if you buy a pc you will be stuck updating things forever" and it just annoys me. I have yet to see an ad, or really anyone in this thread, who has listed (like I did) a series of pros for buying a mac. I would appreciate it if someone did because I honestly cannot figure out what some of the pros that I'm not seeing might be.
And yeah, I'm kinda trying to push some buttons here and get some people riled up. I'm trying to find out WHY YOU BOUGHT A MAC. I'm trying to get VALID REASONS, instead of all the bs I've had to sift through between these ads and people saying that logging in and having all your data gone is no big deal. Seriously, I want to like macs. I think apple is one of the best companies out there. I lost my ipod touch not long ago and was pissed because its such an awesome device, the app store is great, integration with itunes is wonderful, etc. I just don't see the appeal in their computers anymore.
However, after doing some research, I realized that a similar windows machine would work much better for me. And I think it could work better for some of you too... why you ask?
Lower cost - my system was $900 like I said, you can get PCs for about $400 now, if price is an issue a PC is probably going to be better for you
Much more performance/value for your money - that $900 bought me a pretty close to top of the line rig, and I'd have to spend more like $2500 on a mac to get this performance. I do a lot of photoshop work, as well as flash, and batch processing in lightroom, so this is important to me and the reason I upgraded from my 6 yr old computer
Better warranties - I have 3 year warranties on pretty much all my parts. If something goes I can RMA it and have my computer working in a couple days, without having to pay apple/dell etc. and go through that hassle.
I get to pick my components - I don't game, so I don't need an expensive GPU. With apple's offerings I am forced into their "stock" GPU option which was overkill for what I needed. My graphics card cost me $35, came with COD5, and runs it perfectly.
Windows 7 - I put windows 7 on my laptop before buying the new computer so I could see if I liked it. I love it. Even on 1gb of ram and an old processor, it runs so smoothly, even better than XP. I love all the new features of it, and yes, it is actually probably more like a Mac in the way the OS functions than ever before. I prefer windows 7 to snow leopard, mostly because I'm familiar with the way windows works already.
Compatibility - With my engineering I need to use CAD software and other programs that sometimes can't run on a mac. I could dual boot, but what is the point of getting a mac and paying that premium if I'm going to be running windows on it anyway? Plus, I have to pay to buy windows 7 on top of the whole mac system. And, all my software that I have now is windows, so I have to weigh whether or not switching would be worth changing over all the licenses/etc.
Appearance - By building my own PC I was able to choose from a lot of cases, and I picked one that I prefer the look of (to a mac). It's really nice looking and has 5 bays for fans so that keeps everything extremely cool. It's also really quiet.
Now, what were the pros for getting a mac? Honestly, I could only find 2.
Appearance - I prefer the look, feel, and design of some macs (macbook pro) to their PC counterparts. I think they are more solid feeling, probably better made, and will last longer. Plus, macs are definitely more "in" right now.
Snow Leopard/OSX - I like this operating system better than xp or vista. In fact if I hadn't tried windows 7 I might be on a mac right now. But seriously, windows 7 is the best operating system I've ever used and I prefer it to a mac. This is probably one of the biggest reasons I ended up not switching.
I see these mac ads and all they do is say "blah viruses blah" "if you buy a pc you will be stuck updating things forever" and it just annoys me. I have yet to see an ad, or really anyone in this thread, who has listed (like I did) a series of pros for buying a mac. I would appreciate it if someone did because I honestly cannot figure out what some of the pros that I'm not seeing might be.
And yeah, I'm kinda trying to push some buttons here and get some people riled up. I'm trying to find out WHY YOU BOUGHT A MAC. I'm trying to get VALID REASONS, instead of all the bs I've had to sift through between these ads and people saying that logging in and having all your data gone is no big deal. Seriously, I want to like macs. I think apple is one of the best companies out there. I lost my ipod touch not long ago and was pissed because its such an awesome device, the app store is great, integration with itunes is wonderful, etc. I just don't see the appeal in their computers anymore.
Why dont you want a PC? What is it about PCs that is so terrible? Theres nothing about macs that is that bad? Why not consider a PC? Have you used windows 7? Do you believe the mac ads? Do you think PCs still get viruses and spyware?No, he's crazy because he's trying to sell something here that people don't want. Am I on a PC forum trying to get him to buy a Mac? No.
And the sarcastic comments with no real meaning continue... to be expected I guess.That's more than I could find to move to Windows
When some other mac fanboy was proven wrong in this thread, instead of trying to argue back he insulted the guy saying he worked at burger king. Good one...
Seriously, I'm all ears. Anyone want to say something more than "windows sucks" "windows gets viruses" "i love macs"?
**** its people like this that make me not want to be associated with apple in the slightest.